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Technical / Re: Do I need race fuel?
« on: May 26, 2011, 07:33:53 AM »
My advice is not to use race fuel if you can get away without it. My reasoning is this: As a Vet C rider, the performance gain from the fuel will not be worth the added expense. You would be better off saving the pennies (nickels and quarters!) and putting the money to a riding clinic or school or a new set of tires.

The caveat of course is detonation and piston life. Be sure jetting is correct and you get good fuel. SAMS CLUB or the 7-11 down the street will not have the best quality pump gas. You might pay a little more, but in the long run, it is worth it. Also, at the more expensive gas stations, you stand a better chance of finding non-alcoholic fuel.

Back when I was traveling a lot to the races, I noticed higher gas mileage in my tow vehicle if I spent the little bit extra on good gas. It always worked out in the long run.

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Non-Moto / Re: Curious - anyone cut their handlebars?
« on: May 25, 2011, 01:40:11 AM »
Narrower bars mean less stable at speed but with a stabilizer, you have no worries about cutting your bars down.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: blew it up again, no good!
« on: May 25, 2011, 01:37:44 AM »
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Remember "Nobody killed a 2 stroke with too much oil"

I get your point and I am not flaming you but actually, too much oil in the fuel causes a lean situation and generates heat in a 2 stroke.

You may also want to check your intake manifold real good. Maybe the carb was not put on correctly and well seated or the manifold is cracked? That would cause it to lean out as well and might even generate the sucking noise that you heard.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: blew it up again, no good!
« on: May 24, 2011, 05:12:11 AM »
This is interesting but will be very hard to diagnose online but here goes: We don't have enough information to identify your previous failures but maybe some of the information will trickle back. From what you have told us, you have a pretty well maintained machine and put a lot of hours on it. Reed failure is not uncommon but I tend to doubt that the pieces of the reed were sucked into the bottom end and caused a failure. More likely, the reed cracked and caused a lean condition. This could cause detonation and overheating and will cause a seizure.

I doubt it is oil related though I wouldn't suggest 50 to 1 (anymore). As much as you don't want to hear this, I'd suspect jetting FIRST! I would run the manufacturers (either bike or oils) recommendations, get a few good readings on fresh plugs and keep an eye on ring/cylinder wear; changing piston/rings more frequently if necessary.

I also would suggest (and I can't believe I'm saying this) getting the 4$. You sound like you are attempting to become an AMA Pro rider. Unless you are willing to be a martyr to the 2T cause (and you'll be all our hero if you do), you'll need the thumper experience at the pro level.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: What new rules???
« on: May 24, 2011, 02:51:59 AM »
No, that is referring to the FIM Motocross rules (http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/alfresco/Codes_et_reglements/Tech_genCMS_en.pdf) (pg 50) for racing a 4$ in the 450 class. You CAN run a 250 4$ in the 450 class but it must be taken out to 290cc. Interestingly, that is not in the 2011 AMA Pro rule book (http://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-MX-2011-Rules.pdf) (pg 20) but it could be an amendment I am unaware of.

For Amateur racing, the 295cc rule does not apply. It just has to be 'over 250cc'. But then again in AMA Amateur racing, there is no difference determined by the number of strokes (except in the Youth classes and in the 125 class - the 125 class being 122 to 125cc 2T only). If your local club is running races with 4$ "handicaps", they are not using the 2011 AMA Amateur rules. They can be found at (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/Libraries/Racing_Documents/2011_AMA_Racing_Rules.sflb.ashx) and classes for MX are on pg 28 and 29.

I was going to comment on it today anyway; The reason you have to run a big bore in the 450 Class is that the 250 4$ is FASTER than the 450 4$ - 2 seconds a lap on most tracks. Look at Hangtown where fastest lap was a 59 and the leader was turning 2:01s on the 450's where the 250s were 58s. (Full Disclosure: Times are not official but taken from Jeff Emig's horrible TV commentary.) It wouldn't do sales any good for the manufacturers to get smoked by a smaller bike.

What I think would be a fun would be to enter an AMA PRO/AM, the classes are much simpler. 122cc to 250cc for the 250 class - 2 or 4 stroke, but that we all know. The interesting part is the Open class where the rules are 122cc to OPEN!

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Open Forum / Re: Scammers,Scammers and Flim Flammers!
« on: May 19, 2011, 10:06:36 AM »
I attempted to buy a Porsche in Italy. I said my man would meet them at the port to pay them and take posession. I happened to be there so I had a lovely lunch by the sea but no red Cabrio C4.

The add was quickly pulled, all contact info was burned. No sight of them afterwards. Traced the IP's through a couple of proxies to Hong Kong but it ended behind the Great Wall of China.

No loss. It was a fun exercise.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: What 450 should I buy ?
« on: May 19, 2011, 01:50:38 AM »
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do you think that nowadays parts don't last as long as they use to in older bikes?


That is a good question but I think it is a complicated answer. On the one hand, everything for the American (and the rest of the developed countries) is basically "throw away" and/or "planned obsolescence" design. Meaning, it is cheaper to build it than it is cheaper to repair it or they want it to fail after a pre-described point so you have to reinvest. That is my feeling with the 4$. The Big 4 need to sell huge numbers of motorcycles each year to fit their business plan. With the number of new riders shrinking each year - not growing, they have to 'somehow' get those of us who continue to ride to want new motorcycles. The 'old' way to do that was to provide something new, but to do that your company must invest in R&D and that takes away from the bottom line. In most cases, simple refinements and BNG's (bold new graphics) serve to get 'the kiddies' to want the latest gizmo. In the '70 and '80's we saw distinctive changes in motorcycle design. Except for the 4$ engine, what has changed since...oh '91? Very little I'm afraid.

All that said, we have come a long way since the '70 in metallurgy, computers, and flow design. In theory, that should make bikes lighter-stronger-faster but in practice, just seem to have aided the manufacturers in creating obsolescence. That '68 CZ was meant to be rebuilt and raced for the next 5 years and then used second hand for 5 or 10 more! That 2011 Suzuki DRZ450 was made to last 1 season, with 2 rebuilds and then into the parts bin.

AMA and the FIM are culprits as well. Racing rules have hindered development. Nowhere is it more true than in motorcycles that "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" moves product. Rules meant to provide stability and lower the cost to the privateer have only raised the cost of racing and took away any chance for a privateer to come up with a mechanical advantage. No new shock designs, brakes, engine modifications, custom frames. No changes worth speaking of. Can it be that shock technology has gone virtually unchanged in 20 years? Why are bikes still minimum weighted at the same levels as the '70's!?! We all have aluminum frames for crying out loud! What incentive does Yamaha have to make a stronger, lighter bike when the rules won't let you race it?

Of course, this is true for 2T's and 4$'s alike but back to your comment about other parts failing more often. I have a theory and only my own experience to back it up - no hard data. That said, I believe ALL modern MX'ers are not built for the dirt. I know that statement doesn't make much sense but follow me here. These bikes are built for Supercross, not Motocross. They are built to run in clean stadiums for two 8 lap motos and one 20 lapper, not the original qualifiers plus two 45 minute motos. Parts are easier to inspect for failure between races and motos. Bikes are not built to endure a season plus the ISDE! Weather, mud, sand, dust are all the enemies of the modern bike. Don't agree? Where are the fork boots? By 1990, almost all bikes had gone to the 'upside down' forks. An advancement in technology to be sure but now it put those delicate fork tubes down in the dirt and all they got was a sliver of plastic to protect them from rocks, roots and trees? No, they were not meant for rocks, roots and trees; they were meant for 70 foot triples, clean whoop sections and groomed corners. A simple solution to fork seals was the neoprene "Seal Savers" but are they on ANY new motorcycle as standard equipment?

So your uncles Kawasaki gets 'used'. It goes to the track or the trail and is exposed to the 'elements'. As with most riders, he takes care of his equipment; he brings it home, washes it off with the pressure washer from Home Depot, sprays it down with WD-40 and lubes the chain. Then he puts it away until the parts he has to order on Monday arrive so he can go riding again on the following Sunday. Nice life and the perfect customer. Except that bike was meant for more attention. Read the owner's manual and see just how frequent the chain needs to be tightened and replaced. How often you should adjust the valves, how often you should change the shock oil. You need your own full time mechanic to ensure your bike is prepared for the weekend - or plan on giving up family, friends, etc. There is just not enough time in the day. And that is what they want. Ride it until it goes pop and buy another one.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: What 450 should I buy ?
« on: May 18, 2011, 02:34:16 AM »
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you can go for a 2s with 5yrs or 10yrs, if it's in a decent shape, a brand new piston will bring it back to life and will be a reliable bike.

That is not usually the case and we should not be spreading misinformation if we want to be taken seriously. Any motor will fail with time. 2T's are not an exception. In 'many' cases you can just replace piston and rings but in most 5 or 10 y/o bikes, 2T or 4$, you 'll need more - a lot more.

Cylinder walls ware out and most if not all are nikasil now. That means replating and that is not cheap. Rod bearings, crank bearings, crank seals all are most likely beyond end of life by 5 years. Of course, you need to do that with both 2T or 4$ but with the 4$, there are a lot more parts and those are much more expensive.

To give you an idea - and by no means is this an average, parts for my 2006 Honda CRF250X - top and bottom were $1500. Parts for a '73 Husqvarna, '71 Bultaco, or a '98 YZ139 are between $350 and $550 (the YZ needed replating).

All this and that is just the motor. Of course there are chains, sprockets, tires but costs that are overlooked are wheels, wheel bearings, spokes (they get stretched and loooose!), suspension bearings, shock bushings, shock recharges, fork seals, cables. The list to bring a 5 or 10 y/o bike up to par is just as expensive to restore any old vintage dirt bike. And often, the parts are even harder to find!

Also, there are plenty of people that are quite happy with their 4$ and have not (yet) experienced a catastrophic failure. Those people properly maintain their bikes and replace parts as needed or recommended before '$61+ hits the fan'. You have to marvel at the technology employed to get that much power out of a 4$ design - even if it is 85% to 100% larger than a 2 stroke.

I concede the point though. "2T's are cheaper to maintain than 4$". We should just be careful though not to give the impression that they are trouble free.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: What 450 should I buy ?
« on: May 17, 2011, 01:25:17 AM »
I only read the first page of the thread but it brings up another question.

When you rebuild a 2T, it stays rebuilt for the regular life of the parts. My experience with modern MX 4$ has been that you rebuild them but they go off again like a roman candle about half the time of the original.

Is that just my local builders and competitors or is that normal for thump-thump-thumpers?

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 2 Stroke at Hangtown
« on: May 16, 2011, 04:49:02 AM »
Somewhere on TSM there was a link to the AMA's definitive list of eligible machines. I wasn't paying attention to the lights class so much but I seem to remember only 1 year CR125, all the Yamaha YZ's, a KTM, and maybe last year's Husky - not this years. No TM. But then again, I could be thinking Premier class.

Sorry to open a dead thread but I finally found the link again. Follow here for future reference:

http://www.amaproracing.com//assets/AMAProApprovedMX.pdf

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I tried something similar with a 4$ friend. He rides a KTM 450 and he has a lot of miles on it with no major failures but he is 'shopping'. I mentioned vintage bikes (since I had just beat him on my 1980 Can-Am) and let him ride it. Of course, it's a 400 so the abrupt and considerable power scared him. So I let him ride my 1973 Penton Jackpiner 175. Now full disclosure requires that the track we were using is very vintage friendly but he was faster on the Penton than he was for our racing lap times.

I also have to say though that the Penton is pipey and you have to ride it on the pipe or not at all. The Can-Am has so much power that you could never come on the pipe and still be faster than a lot of your friends!

I have not made a convert out of him. He has no reason to. He is one of the few that the 4$ has performed well for; has a forgiving power delivery, a modern design, and has not cost a fortune to own - and operate. It must be noted that we pay about $8.00 a gallon for gas. Its quite a bit more if you have to add premix and get poor gas mileage.

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I've not been a big fan of TM ... until now. It says a lot when a manufacturer comes out and says that.

Eventhough the TM kart stuff is very reliable, I've never known anyone personnaly to sucessfully campain a TM motorcycle. I've known many who tried and those had sufficiet budgets for the series, but there were too many DNF's to continue. Most went back to last years bike or got a new deal elsewhere. I'm racking my brain for a single one that didn't go back to a motorcycle built in Japan (my thinking would be to stay European - KTM, GasGas, Husky, etc.) but I can't name one!

I'll consider a TM for my next new motorcycle purchase although at my age, I'm liking the KTM or 'berg electric start 2T's.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: 2 Stroke at Hangtown
« on: May 11, 2011, 04:29:20 AM »
Somewhere on TSM there was a link to the AMA's definitive list of eligible machines. I wasn't paying attention to the lights class so much but I seem to remember only 1 year CR125, all the Yamaha YZ's, a KTM, and maybe last year's Husky - not this years. No TM. But then again, I could be thinking Premier class.

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: Rumours,Rumours!
« on: May 10, 2011, 01:49:55 AM »
You are evil.  >:D

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General Two Stroke Talk / Re: What size engine?
« on: May 09, 2011, 06:57:23 AM »
Those 500cc Suzuki Triples are going pretty cheap. Maybe you want a real 2T monster?

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