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CRF Redemption: The 500 Project Part 1
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2013, 02:25:55 PM »
Welcome to the land of 14000 rpm motors. Only way you can make a 250F make power.


my mates bike he was testing last weekend getting ready for the first round of the spanish championships


While this can happen to a smoker too, it just seems to happen to the thumpers at an alarming rate.
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2013, 11:35:16 PM »
Welcome to the land of 14000 rpm motors. Only way you can make a 250F make power.


my mates bike he was testing last weekend getting ready for the first round of the spanish championships


While this can happen to a smoker too, it just seems to happen to the thumpers at an alarming rate.
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Thats usually about where a 250Fs rev limiter is and its not its working range. Although the 250SXF does get wrung the **** out. 450s are lower at around 11 grand but again thats not their working range.
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« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2013, 12:55:14 AM »
Looks like a worthy project.

Some suggestions if I may:

I recently started re-sleeving CR500 cylinders with Aluminum sleeves on the engines I've been building.  The re -sleeve is
done by Advanced and I send the finished cylinder to Millennium Technologies for their version of NIKASIL plating.  This gets
you a piston and cylinder that expand at a similar rate (reducing the possibility of cold seizures), saves a couple of pounds,
and benefits from a much more durable cylinder wall.  I recommend a Wiseco or Wossner forged piston and make sure you
drill the two oiling holes for the exhaust bridge.

As others have alluded to, I also recommend a compression release.  Larry Wiechman does a real nice mod that looks
factory.  There is real merit to the claims of cracks in the case cover caused by kickstarter stress.  The kickstart assembly
is a robust design, but the housing is a weak point over time.

Another item to look at is the clutch.  You will find there is very little in the way of aftermarket support in this area.  One of
the mods I like is converting the stock CR500 clutch assembly over to the CR250 version.  This allows you to run all the hard
anodized Hinson components which will extend clutch life and performance. 

I noticed you want to use TMR for the port work.  It will be interesting to hear if his idea of a toned down powerband is the
same as yours.  Also, very good idea having the crankshaft balanced.  If you go with Crankworks, I recommend you send it
in now and if you're lucky, it might be finished in May when you're ready to start. 

Finally, there is a real benefit in using the older 89 cases over the new ones.  Over time, the tooling used is increasingly worn
and the newer cases have poor tolerances.  Most noticeably, the amount of lash between the primary gear and clutch ring gear.
Your cases were manufactured the first year that tooling was used and as a result, should be very precise.

Enjoy the build.

dogger
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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2013, 02:42:16 AM »
^ this guy speaks the truth.
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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2013, 03:10:34 AM »
I was wondering when you'd tune in dogger! I've been hanging out for you to do another build that puts jeremys factory CR to shame, so far I've been disappointed.
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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2013, 07:35:49 PM »
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so far I've been disappointed.
Sorry Stu, my bike projects have taken a back seat to my racecar project lately.
I'm still working on the 09 CR250.  I have the engine, wheels, brakes, airbox
and plastic done.  Of course the big ticket items like the frame and suspension
are still to go.

I'll get back to work on it soon.  In the mean time, I'm looking forward to seeing
motoxr377's CR500 come to life.

dogger
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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2013, 12:15:42 AM »
Thanks dogger!  :)

I'll look into everything you said! I'll be done with my course in late April, and get going from there.
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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2013, 12:31:21 AM »
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so far I've been disappointed.
Sorry Stu, my bike projects have taken a back seat to my racecar project lately.
I'm still working on the 09 CR250.  I have the engine, wheels, brakes, airbox
and plastic done.  Of course the big ticket items like the frame and suspension
are still to go.

I'll get back to work on it soon.  In the mean time, I'm looking forward to seeing
motoxr377's CR500 come to life.

dogger

Awesome. And I'm definitely looking forward to this build too :D
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2013, 12:38:51 AM »
i look forward to growlers as you post this s!@T.
ok growlers no match for racer x. look forward to more than a growler while you post this s!@T!
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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2013, 01:00:29 AM »
UPDATE.  I'm back from learning how to shoot people from far away.  :)

Sold the CRF250R engine to some Fooper lover.  Anyone want to buy a 40mm Keihin FCR?


Excuse the mess, things get crazy when I'm taking out an engine. 

The project is starting to pick up, and although it won't ever finish as quick as I'd like, I am determined to do it right.  An aluminum sleeve is on its way from Advanced Sleeve, and I have contacted Larry Wiechman about getting my head modified for his compression release.  Compression Release Modification

I'll post a new "update" thread, once I roll my other project off of my workbench and onto completion.

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« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2013, 10:27:28 AM »
Just remember how much potential the CR500 has. Over the years honda deliberately detuned it so that people didn't you know... Empty their bowels whilst riding.
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