Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: motomike894 on September 01, 2010, 01:43:55 PM
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IS anyone on here going to Steel City, I am going with my buddy who is trying to qualify in the 450 class ( on a 450 ).
John you will be there I assume???
I plan to come over to Projecttwo50 tent Friday and rap with all you guys for a while, and check out Mike's bike then when you arent looking grab it and leave, HAHA.
Ill be easy to spot, giant fat ass, beard, glasses, balding hair, horrible limp, with a twostrokemotocross.com shirt on!
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It would be great if someone could ask around the pro pits what they think of the rule change (stay from DC though, he is poison). This would help when we do a follow up with the AMA.
Thanks,
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We are planning to go unless something unforeseen comes up. Guess I'll wear my TSM shirt too so it's easier to be recognized by any other board members.
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Cool, Ill be around my buddy all day, might end up being his mechanic, lol
But yeah I dont need the shirt to notice me, LOL
I was hoping to be racing it, but guess not.
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Sorry guys, but Project Two 50 will not be at Steel City....
With all the damage done to the bike, getting the parts, putting the bike together and then driving out to Western PA, it's just all too much.
Although I must say that my wife is happy, because Sunday is our anniversary and now I'll be home. This change will keep me out of the dog house.... :P :P
I'm really sorry that I won't be able to make it out to meet all the members of this forum that I feel are now my friends. Made worse that Mike and the bike won't be there.
Please take some photos of you guys in your TSM t-shirts... we can post it on the main site!
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Guess I am not getting those 125 parts then...LOL ;D (just kidding).
I actually kind of figured you guys wouldn't be there with all that has happened lately.
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DEVASTATED - COMPLETELY DEVASTATED.
Where to from here. Please inform us here ASAP
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That sucks John, I was hoping to meet you guys!
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I think that is actually the smart choice, yall have spent alot of money on this season. Will there be a project 250 for 2011 nats? Or it might be 300 if burn can get it passed.
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I was planning on going, but I have decided toi spend the day dodging trees on some nice single track with some MX laps thrown in for good measure. Due to a busy schedule, I don't get much ride time, so I'm planning to make up for lost time Saturday.
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I think that is actually the smart choice, yall have spent alot of money on this season. Will there be a project 250 for 2011 nats? Or it might be 300 if burn can get it passed.
Man, hopefully! Thanks for the hope and support!
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So sorry guys... this has been a real bummer for me.
The worst part is that I missed getting to meet some of you folks that frequent the forum.
Hey Coop... Somehow we'll get together so I can give you those parts!! Maybe we could meet somewhere halfway?
As for the future of Project Two 50, at this time I can not give you a good answer. Although I know for sure that should it continue that I will no longer be a major part of it. This project cost me an enormous amount of time, energy and money. What I invested in it doesn't even come close to what Mike has contributed.
There may be some great news on the horizon for the two stroke fans though.. as soon as I can publish this news I will do so.
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Ill be easy to spot, giant fat ass, beard, glasses, balding hair, horrible limp, with a twostrokemotocross.com shirt on!
It sounds like you represent the typical two stroke demographic perfectly motomike 8) :D
Sorry to hear about project 250.Hopefully it continues and you can still manage to have a part in it John.I still vote for it hitting the Canadian series next year-then I can watch it on TV here.If you decide to end it,can I have the bike? :D ;)
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this becomes the perfect example of how insurmountable the odds of racing a competitive 2 stroke are. lets face it - with no development work in years, with a lopsided displacement disadvantage, with tracks designed ill-suited to work in its favor, and with all those in power doing their best to keep it down, its simply not possible to field a competitive 2 stroke bike
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hey john,
that's sad to hear you cannot be part of project two50 in the future. It could have been a great thing, making a massive difference worldwide. really promoting the two stroke at the very top level. but can definitely understand the hurdles you have to overcome. especially the financial ones in the current climate. hopefully you have something much bigger and better in the pipeline.
:D
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Just got home, Windham is my hero ;D
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X2.... on Windham. A class act all around and rides like he's on air.
Go on now, tell us how he did?
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***SPOILER ALERT***
He took the overall with a 1-2. And was super cool to my nephew Nick in the pits.
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I actually don't have a voice right now from cheering so much. The first race was really good. Metcalfe rode really good and passed Kevin and then the last few Laps Windham poured it on made the pass for the win. He said on the podium our cheering pumped him up, and when he thinks of motocross that's what he thinks of, the fans going nuts. He was honestly appreciative of the reaction from the Steel City fans. I have not been that pumped up at the nationals since they were dominated my 2 strokes. The second moto Dungey was back out (mechanical early the first race) and he took the win but Kevin held on for second and got the overall.
The 250's Trey took both wins and solid 2-2's by Pourcel. Good racing though. The WMX was better than I expected, Fiolek and Patterson are way faster than I expected. Fiolek went 1-2 and Patterson went 2-1 for the win. The Honda 150 cup was BORING. No offense to those kids but it was what I expected. 2 fast kids and a bunch that looked like they were just riding around. Both the fast kids got rear flats but stayed out which was kinda of cool to see they didn't give up.
There were 3 YZ125's that tried to qualify. I didn't get any good pictures unfortunately I don't think.
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I actually only say 1 YZ125 it was Brian Shuckhart and he looked good on it, but was way off qualifying pace.
The there was 2 guys riding YZ 250's trying to make it too, one guy #174, something Corbin he was hauling ass the secong practice he was in like 4th the whole thing, but he was still like 4 secongs or something off of making it, which I couldnt believe considering he stayed where he did all practice, then Matt Schaefor was riding one too, hes from Michigan I have raced with him several times, he was just a little off pace of the other 2 stroke guy.
The track was cool, but watching on TV all these years it wasnt as cool in person I thought, its nothing compared to Red Bud let me tell yah!
And my Buddy Matt Schneider that we went with didnt make it either, and he rides a gay stroke, LOL
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Thanks for the great information.
Too bad the 2t's didnt make it, this time.
So what do you guys think was the reason?
Was it the 2t riders not fast enough?
Track suited too much to 4t's?
2t bikes not mod'd or fast enough?
What in yous two guys opinions was the reason not any of the 2ts not making the main?
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Any of the top guys could qualify a 2t but as the tracks have been built(naturally)to suit the 4t's riding them,they would be at a big disadvantage.
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It's really hard to say why they don't make it. When you watch them, they look fast, they are jumping all the stuff, etc, just like 4T's.
Sorry about in my other post, I meant to type three YZ's (not YZ125's). I was really exhausted last night, I think I went to bed at 10 LOL. I agree, 174 was hauling! I really thought he was going to make it in.
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Matt Schaefor that was there tryin go to make it on one, he had made many mains before but that was a few yrs ago, and since then he has slowed down, last year he didnt make any mains on his 250f, I would say he was going the same speed on the 2-stroke maybe just a tad slower then he might have gone on a 450.
the 125 looked a little slow in a few spots like next to the start going up that hill with all the big rollers he would get pulled there a bit, but honestly he would not have made it on a 250f either, again I think he might have been just a few seconds lap faster on one.
The tracks are pretty fast in my opinion, I never realized steel city was so hilly.
But I believe that the right person on the right bike could do it no problem.
You need to have a reliable but fast 2-stroke, and someone thats light, focused, and wants it bad, it was obvious that #174 wanted it bad, he was hauling.
But after practice they were towing his bike back to pits, as it appeared to blow up, and to make this dude even more of s stuf he came to the race in a old isuzi SUV with a tiny ass half broken open trailer, if that guy had a faster bike he could make it based on what I saw, but his bike didnt look underpowered really at all but something made it not happen.
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The tracks are pretty fast in my opinion, I never realized steel city was so hilly.
I realized yesterday I have been going there since 1987. They have changed the layout over the years, but the hills always stay constant.
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So I got a whopping three pictures of the two strokes that weren't super blurry. They aren't great pics, but here you go:
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/SVCoop/Bikes/Steel%20City%2010/2T-1.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/SVCoop/Bikes/Steel%20City%2010/2T-2.jpg)
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/SVCoop/Bikes/Steel%20City%2010/2T-3.jpg)
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It,s tough getting pics, then you haveto baby sit your camera and stuff,thanks for posting the pics Coop. I think the guys trying to make the main, may not be used to riding a huge pro track. It would be a good idea to hit the pro-am races, good pay and full gates of fast guys, Millville and Red Bud have quite a few races, besides the nationals. Millville has a good turnout of a riders, the locals are very fast, just like Southwick. Of all the Pro tracks those 2, the locals have an advantage. So if your a out of state rider and can beat, the locals you should be ready to make the show at a National. I would also use a stroker crank, carries the power further, and VP112 LEADED.
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We got a lot of pics, but I managed to screw up everyone of the two strokes but those three, haha. We just use a Canon Powershot digital, but it can take good pics, just not when I am using it, lol. My wife is pretty good with it but she was off getting autographs with our nephews when those guys were trying to qualify.
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2010 AMA Motocross 450Class RD11 Steel City Moto 1 Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSXWrFcYlpA#ws)
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Shuckhart definitley could qaulify on a 250F. he qaulified on a 250 2-stroke last year twice (in 2 attempts). and he also qaulified for a few before on a 250F. he was really riding that 125 in the first session but he gave up in the 2nd one. there was no chance for an on the bubble privateer to qaulifiy on a 125 at steel city, the hills were steep and 2 of the jumps he couldn't clear (and it wasn't because he didn't try, I watched him case them over and over and it was sketchy!)
It's not that the YZ125 isnt a great bike, but it's no 250f. bring back 125, 250, and Open and everything would be right. there are plently of hungry pros to field another class and it would bring back a lot of spectators.
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Yeah Russ,
Well said, but unfortunately this OBVIOUS answer to capacity limits is too hard to organise and too many hidden agendas to allow it to happen. Sorry to hear that you are racing a four stroke these days.
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hey whatever you think, I doubt a 250f would have gained him like 8 seconds a lap, but I am sure it might have helped.
Shuckhart didnt look as good as I have seen him look before, I mean at High point also with big hills, he almost made it and was only like 1/2 second off or something around there.
Plus I saw him in the pits limping pretty good, this was after practice so I dont know if he was beforehand or not.
I dont know why he isnt racing a 250 again he hauled on that thing, and made it in easy, but guessing he must enjoy riding a 125 more??
His bike did look kind of slow too, I was told its bone stock with just a pipe/silencer, some good motorwork, etc. and he would get much further on it.
Anyway I hope to be riding soon with my messed up leg, almost have bike all done and tricked out, Ill post photos when done so you can all drool over it, LOL.
But on a side note I plan to get my outdoor license and try several again next year if my leg gets back to normal by then, and I lose a ton of weight, been watching Rocky movies getting me pumped up, its been 6 months of doing nothing for me, just getting depressed with this leg but Im finally seeing the light, and am finally able to bicycle for more then 15 minutes, and almost able to jog on some days, thank god!!
On a good note though the injury might have happened for a reason I dont know I got to see my son grow up all summer and be at home every weekend pretty much and everyday for the past 6 1/2 months, he turns 1 in 3 weeks!!!!
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Time spent with the kids... priceless.
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Yeah its been great, and if I wasnt hurt I know I would have missed several awesome things, cause I would have been going riding, etc. so its been cool for sure!
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Children are only young once, try not to miss anything you would regret....
First words, first steps, first laugh and just today for me, the first day of school.. I have a 1st grader!
Honestly you can always go riding with your buddies and it's not like you could ever really quit riding altogether... it's in your blood.
Nice photos Coop!
As for competing with a 125 two-stroke in the 250F class... you would have to seriously bend the rules to make it happen. Plus you would need an amazing racer, a top ten kind of racer just to qualify.
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So, I just got a chance to watch the national from the weekend. Good racing, no doubt, and our current home grown hero Metty was on the gas. Good overall for Windham, awesome racer. Deserves it. Sipes was hauling until he jumped off the track. Was awesome to watch his charge, didnt deserve to finish like that.
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Thanks John, that camera really works well. It's a lot better than I am, lol.
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Yeah it been cool.
And I have got to see it all, first steps, laugh, attempting to say dada and mama.
He is a little stud, its awesome, he is full blown walking and can almost run at 11 months old, Im pumped.
Now I just hope with him having CF it doesnt hinder him down the road in life so he can do whatever he wants, sports, MX, BMX, Ill be pushing something with 2 wheels, LOL, but mommy isnt to into that.
And yeah for someone to really get somewhere with the whole 2 stroke thing in pro racing it needs to be someone thats already top ten or around there that will still easily qualify on one and can do it justice fully, like a Kyle Regal/Chisolm, someone like that.
BUT you will not see that happen anytime soon.