Huh thats weird... could've sworn I posted this...
It sounds to me like you are riding the 2 stroke like the 4 stroke. you gotta ride a 250f like a 125 to get the most out of it. by that i mean wide open, bouncing off the rev limiter. when i was getting used to my 250 i often exited corners a gear high so it was off the pipe and then roll the power on so it would build into the meat. i still use this sometimes if the track is slick or hard packed. after a while i got used to the hit of a 250 and now i couldn't imagine riding a 4 stroke.
i always rode 2 strokes and raced 125's for a while but then had 10 years off riding. when i came back it was on a 250 2 stroke and it did take a little while to not only get back into the swing of riding but also used to the extra power i had never used before.
as the old saying goes, sometimes you have to go slow to go fast
I'm not sure if you're directing that at me or not so I'll cover it just in case you are. My bike is very mid range and top end. By that I mean the midrange is very aggressive and the top end feels outright explosive. I ride it in the midrange to increase engine life as long as possible.
Nope i was referring to the OP, not everything is about you
Perhaps you should consider using the quote function then eh? Not everyones as psychic as you
I'd like to draw peoples attention to NZ's reply:
Huh thats weird... could've sworn I posted this...
It sounds to me like you are riding the 2 stroke like the 4 stroke. you gotta ride a 250f like a 125 to get the most out of it. by that i mean wide open, bouncing off the rev limiter. when i was getting used to my 250 i often exited corners a gear high so it was off the pipe and then roll the power on so it would build into the meat. i still use this sometimes if the track is slick or hard packed. after a while i got used to the hit of a 250 and now i couldn't imagine riding a 4 stroke.
i always rode 2 strokes and raced 125's for a while but then had 10 years off riding. when i came back it was on a 250 2 stroke and it did take a little while to not only get back into the swing of riding but also used to the extra power i had never used before.
as the old saying goes, sometimes you have to go slow to go fast
I'm not sure if you're directing that at me or not so I'll cover it just in case you are. My bike is very mid range and top end. By that I mean the midrange is very aggressive and the top end feels outright explosive. I ride it in the midrange to increase engine life as long as possible.
If you put in the hours, no 250F can beat a 250. Not in the same class with roughly the same skill level.
Complete bullcrap Stu. Some of you guys will not listen. " title="Angry" class="smiley">
A race prepared 250F can run with a race prepared 250 smoker.
Wow you just don't read do you? You've made a fool of yourself in two ways here: 1.) I said atleast twice IF YOU PUT THE HOURS IN! That means in the gym and on the track. So you're fitness is at peak. and 2.) You've said a race prepped 250F can run with a race prepped 250 smoker. I also agreed with that in the above posts due to factors based on ease of riding. I actually said that the 250F couldn't BEAT it. And in identical and ideal conditions, it cant.
If a mans fitness is at peak and he rides a 250 smoker well against a guy who is also very fit and rides a 250F at roughly the same skill levels on the same track on the same day and traction is good, I'll tell you right here and now the 250F WILL LOOSE. Quit just attacking my posts and being a provocative prick. Disagree sure just do it in an orderly manner its really not a difficult concept mate
]Sorry gonna have to disagree there, I believe that if the same rider rode 5 laps of the same track on the same day on each of the race prepped bikes, the 250f is still gonna be easier to ride therefore faster. It's the nature of the power delivery that makes the 2t both fun and a challenge and there's no point trying to change it.
To touch on your point about training, lets say you hit the gym hard practiced on your own track everynight and got super fast enough to start beating 250f's then i reckon you'd be a step faster again on a 250f yopurself.
It's all good putting in that 1 or 2 scorching laps on the 2t but to win races you've gotta do it lap after lap for 20 or 30 mins, enter the 250f.
THAT is how you disagree with someone. Not through this method: Thats bullshit or the classic you dont know what you're talking about.
I'll say first up that whether or not you're faster on the 250F or the 250 depends GREATLY on your riding style. 250Fs are very gentle, smooth and have a very different cornering feel. My riding style is very loose so to speak I like to really attack the track. Its hard to explain. Anyway me point is: I'm ten fold faster on my 250 than I ever was on my fooper. No contest. The shaved off weight and where the weight is on the bike allows me to just zoom on it. Its naturally suited to me. My 250F used to go through the corners instead of around them I felt.
Thats my feel on it anyway. I get alot less tired on my two stroke simply because I'm not constantly fighting the bike.
So if anything has a big impact on whether you're faster on a 250F or 250, its riding style. Thats my experience. I'm terribly slow on the four strokes.
alright everybody, take a chill pill, stu go take a cold shower and go watch the sun go down, maybe a nice massage would help as well, i'd like everybody to stop attacking each other right now, whether or not you meant to doesn't matter, also i'd like people to not have such a short fuse, there's no reason why we can't be civil and still DISCUSS not ARGUE about things.
I'd like people to stop attacking eachother too, the problem with this plan of attack is people being idiots. Don't agree with something I read guys? Say just that: I disagree.
Saying thats complete bullcrap or something aggressive like that is going to get me fired up. Push me and I'll push back yeah? I'm perfectly happy to debate something with you, and chances are I'll walk away with a different perspective. But if you charge into the debate all guns blazing, don't expect me to take it.
Just to clarify twosmoke, whereever I used the word you, it was more directed at the person reading this message, not actually directed at you personally.
Someone earlier posted that a 250f has 45 HP? When did this happen? Maybe a pro circuit pro bike with an expected engine life of 5 hours. Aren't stock 250f's more like 35 HP?
I've ridden many a 450 in the woods and I absolutely can't stand them. I'm slower then shit on them and they turn like a friggin tank. Ride your 250 a gear higher in the corners. Drag your rear brake to the apex of the turn then start rolling on the throttle until you are wide open at the exit and you'll have no more problems. Throttle control is the problem here, not the bike.
That was me and I was taking into account that it was properly race prepped. Aftermarket exhaust all that bolt on stuff. I think the KX250F made about 41 stock? Don't quote me on that though So thats what I was guessing after all the performance stuff, about 45