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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2010, 09:33:00 PM »
Jesus, you'd think I'd killed the guy's mother or something.  I watched the documentary, I'm a big fan of what he accomplished.  It's amazing that he got so far in competition doing things the way he did.  He makes Preston Tucker look conventional.  I was just pointing out the way four-strokes were seen back then, and isn't that awesome compared to today's incense-waving.


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 08:47:26 PM »
Back to the original question, I don't think so that maico is like the album 2112 by Rush. With all the computer power the major factories have they can all build the same bike it's all about how much they want to spend on each component, Because of this everyone is on a pretty level playing field.
 
Back then the Japanese manufactures were in their adolesents when the Germans were in adulthood. I would love to be thrown a huge curve ball on this subject by someone like Stilh or Echo like Puch did with that twin carb rotary valve MC250 that Harry Everts used to wring out!
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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2010, 09:05:44 PM »
Who knows, maybe one of the M.M.X.'s will be new '81 490  ;D
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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2010, 09:58:44 PM »
You are dead right G-Money about the manufactors building essentially the same bike.
Really if Hondas were not red/Suzuki not yellow etc most people would not know one brand from the other.
Every thing is the same today. You look at most cars and if you dont look at the badge you would never know what it is.

Maybe Husky will be the first to do something different. Or Can Am
When a large company owns a small company they can experiment more without effecting the main companies sale.
With BMW money behind them they can afford to build something a bit radicle.
Same sort of thing like Ford owning Jaguar/Aston Martin.

Forget about the Japs ever making anything different to the norm. They wont take the risk.
As it was the Japenese copied the Maico. They are great copiers not innovators  :(
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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2010, 03:34:30 AM »
While it's true the Japs are great copiers their strength is that they just don't copy something-they improve on a pre-existing design.It's happened many times over the years.
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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2010, 03:51:43 AM »
Well, they never did manage to get the powerband right, apparently.  Even the newest CR500s are ridiculously zappy compared to the bike they bought and copied (and then said the big leap forward was because DeCoster joined the team!)  Anyway, it seems to me that the real Japanese strength is in taking a ridiculously small four-stroke motor and making it perform better than anyone else would be able to, reliability be damned.  Has it occurred to anybody that a CRF450 isn't that far removed from being 1/4 of a Civic motor, really suped-up?  You have to admit, no other country has really put much effort into making 2.0L car engines that do anything but chug along with a light grocery load.  It seems only natural to me that these companies would try to use that engineering on their motorsports department.  And by the way, the new Lexus LFA supercar's engine was designed in part by Yamaha.

Maybe I'm just making connections where there really shouldn't be, but it does seem like small four-strokes are a fairly uniquely Japanese specialty.  All the two-stroke action seems to have come first from Europe, where the 2T revolution began.  That's also where 2T microcars were made by companies like Saab and... uh... Maico.  And, just as a sort of plug for the home country, we had Chrysler and Mercury Marine working together on direct-injection two-strokes in the '90s, and that technology is apparently part of Mercury's current OptiMax two-stroke outboard technology that competes with Etec.

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Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2010, 07:22:33 AM »
Italy in the 50's and 60's was a place and time of great innovation. 2 litre twincam Alfa's, V8 Moto Guzzi's , 4 cyl. Benelli's ,Desmo single Ducati's, are a few of the examples.I don't see anything happening in Japan now that was not already developed in Italy in that era.

Japanese small bore 4S's are descended from German NSU and Horex motorcycles. One could also argue that the engineer behind the first YZ400 (4S) was inspired by the Husaberg MX'r.   

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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2010, 07:27:23 AM »
To be fair the Britten was a full 1000cc and the Ducati's either 851 or probably 888cc .
The Belt Drive A series 1600cc engine has powered many many Ford Escorts to World Rally Championships, contined to go up to full 2.0litre BDG series (good for 250HP) and the Zetec turbo that powers todays WRC cars. Not to mention cars like the Lancia Delta Intergrale, shopping hacks they ain't.

There is Maico 490's being built everyday just that everyother bike is a Maico 490 also the difference in performance is very minor. Not like the good old days when everything was trail and error.

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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2010, 07:51:53 AM »
I should also add that I'd give my left @#% for a Lotus Cortina or a BMW Tii in my garage right now. :D

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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2010, 01:35:46 PM »
A family freind has an X factory Lotus cortina raced by Jim Clark sitting in his shed. I remember the first time i saw it when i was about 10. Still as empressive today as it was then. Would hate to think what it is worth  :o

Was not knocking the japenese just making the point of the sameness of things today.
Alfa's have always been crazy and one of the few cars today that you could not mistake for anything else. :)
I agree totally ford. they always improve the original design. But normally it's not their design.
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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2010, 02:17:09 PM »
Sorry to burst your bubble jetz but the Optimax system is the orbital system from Aussie.
Ford , Chrysler , Aprillia , Mercury , BRP have all made licensed versions of it.
They actually had Ford taxis in Sydney running around with it in the 90's.
Below is a copied quote from 1995.
The Orbital Combustion Process engine has been refined into a two-stroke engine that is 50% lighter, 30% more fuel efficient, 20% cheaper to make, 70% smaller, and produces 30% less pollution than traditional engines. A plant was established in the USA to build these engines for sale to car, motorcycle and boat manufacturers to test and develop as licensees to the Australian company.
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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2010, 02:26:35 PM »
There's more to an engine than the Orbital system, it's not like they're buying entire engines from them.  While of course the Chrysler thing didn't end up being the core of the system, they did do R&D very early, and I'm thinking some of the discoveries made during the program contributed to the Orbital system, as well as whatever other eccentricities go into making the engine work.

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Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?

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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2010, 12:54:43 AM »
A family freind has an X factory Lotus cortina raced by Jim Clark sitting in his shed. I remember the first time i saw it when i was about 10. Still as empressive today as it was then. Would hate to think what it is worth  :o

Was not knocking the japenese just making the point of the sameness of things today.
Alfa's have always been crazy and one of the few cars today that you could not mistake for anything else. :)
I agree totally ford. they always improve the original design. But normally it's not their design.

Holy dooley got any pics? The 'ban the bomb' Lotus Cortina's are one of the most desirable classics around. A geniune one here sold for big bucks let alone one driven by Jim Clark

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Re: Will there ever be another 1981 Maico 490?
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2010, 01:45:37 AM »
That's a ridiculous tank sticker, though somehow mysteriously awesome.  Although, as interesting as the story of the Cortina was to read on Wikipedia, I have to be a little more drawn to the tale of the Charger Daytona.

http://www.allpar.com/racing/200-mph-Daytona.html


Is this Maico a 440 or only a 400?  Well in all the confusion, I forgot myself.
But considering this is a 1978 Magnum, the best-handling bike in the world, you have to ask yourself one question.
Do you feel lucky, punk?