mxa used 125 build and 144 shootout

[_X_]

I believe it was a works 125, paul malin stated that during the broadcast. but i could be wrong. the circuit was hard and slick with massive hills.

[TMKIWI]

from what i heard, that 125 didnt have hardly anything done to it besides suspension and pipe

Yes it did.

[dean100yz]

There is no way a 125 can hang with a current model 250f. When the 250f's were first introduced there was not a lot of difference but the 250f's have come a long way since their early days. The 2013 250f's are making the same peak power as a KTM 150 and they do it over a broader power band.

Seems a lot of people only think of four strokes when they first came out and ignore the fact that they have been improving all the time. You still wont find me on a four stroke but they are a very good race machine

I gotta agree with this. Have two mint RM 250's but they wont run with my CRF450. I absolutely love my smokers but at my level when racing hard as I can I find the CRF can pull a tighter line, still hook up and clear everything I need and it makes a bit more up top too

[dean100yz]

its not the affordability that stops me riding a 4 stroke, i simply dont find them enjoyable to ride. The 250f's feel gutless and the 450's just feel like big heavy pigs.

I think 4 strokes do give a softer impression than 2 strokes especially the smaller class.

Not sure when you last rode a 450 though as Id say 'big heavy pigs' was maybe something of 8-10 years ago. Theres very little in it between my RM and CRF. I will say though when tracks get real muddy/sticky the RM is much better thats when you feel the weight of the CRF

[SachsGS]

The latest Kaw 450f's are 260 lbs. with a dry tank.

[beaner]

The latest Kaw 450f's are 260 lbs. with a dry tank.

[twosmoke595]

The latest Kaw 450f's are 260 lbs. with a dry tank.

ya, all of the new 450's are teetering on the 240-250+ mark DRY

[nom de guerre]

^^^ yeah... Tanks! I hated lifting a 250f up onto the stand as well... The KTM 125/250 is a piece of cake. The weight is very noticeable when riding too(for me).

[Super Trucker]

Steve Lamson showed what a 125 can do when he whipped everybody at the MXdN... But most people aren't that capable or lack the will to shred on a 125. Your example is a great one ST.

  Yeah thx NDG.  Most passes are made coming into corners, through the corner and exiting corners. Practice in sand or loam, it,s soft if ya hit the ground pushing your skill limit. You should be on the gas,when the 4-st. are off the gas, hard on the brakes  with the bike uprite, then dive inside  or outside to inside, take the 4-st line on the exit. Depending on the corner, there,s many more options. The gforces in some corners-warning is addicting . When young riders with there dad,s sit and watch you rail corners, you now know your on the right track. And soon with more commitment, you,ll become an elite 125 specialist.  

[twosmoke595]

The latest Kaw 450f's are 260 lbs. with a dry tank.

ya, all of the new 450's are teetering on the 240-250+ mark DRY

i mean really, we are on the verge of xr territory here. i personally hope they do, xr400's weigh what? 280?

[cnrcpla]

I'll throw some off road tires on a harley and go down to the track... I don't see why not, I mean its heavier, but at what point is it too heavy? At 560 lbs, were on our way 

[twosmoke595]

I'll throw some off road tires on a harley and go down to the track... I don't see why not, I mean its heavier, but at what point is it too heavy? At 560 lbs, were on our way 

super bad quality but this speaks for itself....

[motoman356]

the weight of these is kinda sad. i mean thats what the yz400 and 426 were at: 250lbs. then the first yz450 weighed down to 233 and then shaved more weight off the 06 with the aluminum. then it gained the weight back.

[shanes]

the new KTM 450 weighs in at 234 , not to bad but it feel heavy compared to the SX250, it weighs in around 214 so 20 pounds lighter

[Stusmoke]

Of first let me say that 250Fs are faster than 125s. Period. No debates, no discussions, faster. The KX250F makes about 40 at Peak. Below and above it still leads most other 250Fs. A 125 makes what? 34 if you're lucky, I think the '12 SX125 was a little over 34.

I rode my YZ250 for the first time in a couple of months today. I leaned it over in a corner and just about fell flat, it was much heavier than the 125 and thats two stroke v two stroke and only about 10-20 pounds heavier. 250Fs feel like a buffalo that just spent the last 20 minutes with a taser on its wang in the corners, so I can't imagine how a 450 would feel.

Steve Lamson showed what a 125 can do when he whipped everybody at the MXdN... But most people aren't that capable or lack the will to shred on a 125. Your example is a great one ST.

  Yeah thx NDG.  Most passes are made coming into corners, through the corner and exiting corners. Practice in sand or loam, it,s soft if ya hit the ground pushing your skill limit. You should be on the gas,when the 4-st. are off the gas, hard on the brakes  with the bike uprite, then dive inside  or outside to inside, take the 4-st line on the exit. Depending on the corner, there,s many more options. The gforces in some corners-warning is addicting . When young riders with there dad,s sit and watch you rail corners, you now know your on the right track. And soon with more commitment, you,ll become an elite 125 specialist.  

Agreed.

To the bloke who was having trouble on his RM125 and loved his brothers RMZ250, give your 125 time. At first the hardest part of a 125 for me was multitasking between clutching and the corner itself. After a certain point the corner will become second nature and after a later point both will be a second nature. Its at that point you can focus on going faster and faster until you're tearing your brother a new one on the track.