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« Reply #120 on: April 14, 2013, 05:08:08 PM »
NNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2013, 12:40:06 PM »
that post makes me dizzy and want to spew haha
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« Reply #122 on: May 03, 2013, 01:33:50 AM »
Yes, I'm not sure what to make of that post? The EFI YZ 250 is still going ahead, it is running ( not very well ) injectors are too big and we have had a hell of a problem getting a suitable ( small and reliable ) external HP pump but I hear it is heading out to a paddock to do some tuning this afternoon now we have smaller injectors. Drum throttle seems to work well. Just a small update.
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« Reply #123 on: May 03, 2013, 03:41:50 AM »
Small change to the update, now it runs much better with the right injectors.
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« Reply #124 on: May 03, 2013, 05:56:19 AM »
nice work mate!
 

Video?
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« Reply #125 on: May 03, 2013, 04:00:31 PM »
Or better yet....

Audio? 

LOL

One quick question on the setup. Could you have used a single injector -- just on one side? Seems to me like the fuel/air coming in from the transfers would get pretty mixed up in the combustion chamber as the piston does the compression thing. Might be an interesting experiment that could possibly simplify the system a touch. What electricity source are you using for the pump/computers? Does the 450F stator have enough juice for the setup? Are you running a battery?



nice work mate!
 

Video?
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« Reply #126 on: May 04, 2013, 02:13:12 AM »
Or better yet....

Audio? 

LOL

One quick question on the setup. Could you have used a single injector -- just on one side? Seems to me like the fuel/air coming in from the transfers would get pretty mixed up in the combustion chamber as the piston does the compression thing. Might be an interesting experiment that could possibly simplify the system a touch. What electricity source are you using for the pump/computers? Does the 450F stator have enough juice for the setup? Are you running a battery?

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I dont recon youd start getting uneven combustion, as it really doesnt mix that much because the aim is to have a little turbulence as possible in the intake charge to limit mixing between the exhaust gas and fresh gases.
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« Reply #127 on: May 04, 2013, 02:26:09 AM »
citabjockey, yes that's how we determined injectors were too big, apart from small "on time" numbers, was to disconnect one injector. I think two are still better and yes squish does a good job of mixing fuel air ( as a last resort ). The 450 stator has no problem with current delivery and yes a small battery ( lithium ion )is used strapped under the engine between the frame rails. Apparently just a capacitor will do the job but I'm not so sure. The bike is at the local Yamaha dealers place ( he owns it ) and he's been testing it under my guidance over the phone so far. Yes I NEED to get some video ( a friend of mine has just bought a Go Pro, so I might borrow that ). We have it fueling well down low, Yamaha dealer reports clean throttle up to 3/4.
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« Reply #128 on: May 04, 2013, 08:02:21 AM »
Do use a separate oil injection or is it mixed in the fuel as per carb set up ?
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« Reply #129 on: May 04, 2013, 08:31:26 AM »
It is interesting, on my Bighorn, just over fifty hours now including racing, I just use pre mix, 40 to 1, using ethanol is equates to about 20 to 1. I was worried about the lube situation but because of the position and timing of the injectors everything seems to stay oily, bigend, mains, rotary valve, etc. On the YZ the injectors are much higher up the transfers. So far it seems the oil still collects on the transfer walls and runs down to the mains and on to the bigend. It has only run an hour so we are still not sure. We have a small pulse pump ( about the size of an injector, able to be run by the computer ) that is on standby if we need it. We might have to squirt fuel down the inlet at high throttle setting yet but still early days. Head and barrel are coming off tomorrow for a first inspection. In the long run a small pump might be desirable anyway so mixing fuel is not required.
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« Reply #130 on: May 04, 2013, 10:22:23 AM »
I was more interested to see how the injectors held up to pre mixed fuel. I have no serious in depth knowledge on the efi systems, but have had a memorable experience with fuel injectors in a car and old pre mix in the car tank...... Thank god for warranties :<img src=" title="Roll Eyes" class="smiley">
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« Reply #131 on: May 06, 2013, 11:35:21 PM »
Hi Neil,
Finely the external fuel pump has got here. I have spent a few hours getting it mounted and wired in but now we are ready for a proper run.
I have posted some more progress pictures on our facebook page. www.facebook.com/BlackwoodYamaha
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« Reply #132 on: May 07, 2013, 04:51:19 AM »
Thanks for the link Blackwood!
Mind if I inline a interesting pic?



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« Reply #133 on: May 07, 2013, 10:00:50 AM »
no worries citabjockey, I have a couple of busy days with real work but hope to get over to Neils this weekend to try and get a good base fuel map. If we can get hold of a video camera we will post a video of the bike running.
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« Reply #134 on: May 12, 2013, 11:38:14 AM »
Here is a bit of test riding around the yard on Sunday. Might see if we can get the bike out on a trail ride this weekend ( with go pro ) perhaps. Fuel map is about right but injection timing needs more investigation also ignition timing is only approx. Nice to see it going so well so early on, Wayne is getting the hang of tuning by computer. There is not enough room to test in this yard but at least you can see it runs. Thanks to Dave for videoing the test run.

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