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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2013, 12:23:06 AM »
RacerX, we are dealing with money bags folks. Not plumbers. Chateau Lafite, goes over better (and greases the rails) better than Budweiser. Of course that case would cost more than the most expensive 450 to show.... Tisk Tick...




Ok, so to whom do we send a case of nice wine to get that invitation?

Grrrrr....


We considered it, MEC says it's invitation only.
wine? really citab? wine? lets send those bastards some growlers of ale like men would do! wine?
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2013, 12:25:06 AM »
If you know who makes these decisions for the MEC folks we could send over my cousin Guido for some, ahem, gentle persuasion in the 300SX direction!  :o

If we had the chance we would more than likely run a 300SX, well built of course. :)
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2013, 12:29:03 AM »
Haha, if I'm not mistaken you can get an invitation by scoring points.
Not sure if it's Outdoors or just SX points, I would assume SX. If that's the case, maybe next year!
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2013, 12:34:53 AM »
RacerX, we are dealing with money bags folks. Not plumbers. Chateau Lafite, goes over better (and greases the rails) better than Budweiser. Of course that case would cost more than the most expensive 450 to show.... Tisk Tick...




Ok, so to whom do we send a case of nice wine to get that invitation?

Grrrrr....
now your vagina is talking citab.

We considered it, MEC says it's invitation only.
wine? really citab? wine? lets send those bastards some growlers of ale like men would do! wine?
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2013, 04:21:44 AM »
Stu, the cr500 had 65hp in 87 and tuned down to 55hp(Which is still more than any 450 off the line). 86/87 made the most power. A kx500 made like 67hp stock. They just did a land speed record with one not to long ago. No off the line the only thing better today on 450's is suspension and frame ergo. That's it, nothing else.

Exactly... it was detuned to 55. And the KTM 450sxf makes almost 57 off the showroom floor according to mxa. I dunno about the KX500 though. I realise its not comparable but I felt the need to point it out anyway.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2013, 04:46:52 AM »
To beat 450's you will need every trick in the book, it amounts to the 450's amazing torue curves, match that and you just might have a chance. You will need to spend countless hours and cubic dollars to get the rear to hook up and drive like a 450. When you do that you might even win.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2013, 06:27:15 AM »
Since we are all dreaming  :( I would think the best bike that might have a chance would be a well tuned 2013 KTM 380SX.
60 + Hp and a good handling bike.
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2013, 06:31:09 AM »
I still think a CR/KX500 tuned not for peak but for spread (maybe even down to 50 HP?) to mimmic a 450 output would be the easiest thing to ride fast. The power of a 450 but lighter. And the sound it makes would more than make up for any other handicap! But like 2T states, thousands of development dollars. Probably 10's of thousands.

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2013, 06:57:32 AM »
Cr/kx500 and the 380sx are pretty much on par with power delivery. And stu, simply changing the air filter from a stock filter on a completely stock cr500 will boost the power of the bike. They really plugged it up. KX500 motor was pushing 70hp stock.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2013, 07:01:39 AM »
Every 500AF/modern frame video I've seen has plastered 450-'s like they were nothing. Again, 57-60hp is about useless everywhere other than outdoors. I honestly can't believe these behemoths were set against 250 2 strokes, unreal. At this point 500 vs 450 is really the only fair race...
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2013, 08:09:54 AM »
Every 500AF/modern frame video I've seen has plastered 450-'s like they were nothing. Again, 57-60hp is about useless everywhere other than outdoors. I honestly can't believe these behemoths were set against 250 2 strokes, unreal. At this point 500 vs 450 is really the only fair race...

Show me the video where a 500AF beats a 450 with a National level rider.KX500's don't go near 70 HP standard. It's isn't about peak HP it's about torque(HP is torque X rpm) and the spread of torque, a HRC kit for a TRX450 gives about 60 or so hp with 37 odd ft/lbs torque and maintains that for something like 5 or 6000 rpm.
What needs to happen is the rate of change in the torque curve needs to be as gentle as possible
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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2013, 08:51:53 AM »
Every 500AF/modern frame video I've seen has plastered 450-'s like they were nothing. Again, 57-60hp is about useless everywhere other than outdoors. I honestly can't believe these behemoths were set against 250 2 strokes, unreal. At this point 500 vs 450 is really the only fair race...

Show me the video where a 500AF beats a 450 with a National level rider.KX500's don't go near 70 HP standard. It's isn't about peak HP it's about torque(HP is torque X rpm) and the spread of torque, a HRC kit for a TRX450 gives about 60 or so hp with 37 odd ft/lbs torque and maintains that for something like 5 or 6000 rpm.
What needs to happen is the rate of change in the torque curve needs to be as gentle as possible

Its not often I agree with 2Tinstitute, but I definitely do here. You'll see it in every single class motocross has to offer. Equal displacement in the lites class WORKS! Why? rideability. NO motocross bike ever released is easy to ride (When compared to models released in the same category, at similar times). But 250 smokers and 250Fs are worlds apart. Take the 2013 KTM 250sxf for example, all you need to do is rev it out. It breaks 40 HP at like... 11 grand or something dont quote me there and stays that way till its 14000 rev limiter. Heres a guide on how to ride it fast: Rev, point, shoot. No questions asked.

If the 250sxf's powerband is like trying to smash a crab with a sledge hammer, then the 250sx is like trying to perform surgery on a dust mite. 250 two stroke power delivery is an intimidating thing; it hits hard, likes to step out from the rear and wheelie if you get lazy in your seat position. 250SXF might rev to the bloody moon, but it still hooks up, puts its power to the ground and doesn't make the rider replace their riding pants and seat every moto. Just leave it pinnned. 250sx? treat it with respect or you'll be having an intimate relationship with the dirt.

Every 500AF/modern frame video I've seen has plastered 450-'s like they were nothing. Again, 57-60hp is about useless everywhere other than outdoors. I honestly can't believe these behemoths were set against 250 2 strokes, unreal. At this point 500 vs 450 is really the only fair race...

IKR, even at their introduction, 450s had more HP, Torque and they were alot more rideable than 250s.
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