Post by: citabjockey on July 01, 2013, 07:13:40 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/01/lightning-electric-motorcycle-bests-gas-powered-bikes-at-pikes-pe/?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=Feed_Classic&utm_campaign=Engadget
Post by: factoryX on July 01, 2013, 08:20:10 PM
The only thing holding back electric bikes is weight/price/inferior battery tech(Which is the cause of all three problems). The problem with the future of electric vehicles is that its only going to get more expensive...
Post by: Lolerbabop on July 01, 2013, 08:28:02 PM
by .6 of a second...Doubt that.
The only thing holding back electric bikes is weight/price/inferior battery tech(Which is the cause of all three problems). The problem with the future of electric vehicles is that its only going to get more expensive...
Post by: citabjockey on July 01, 2013, 08:34:36 PM
How long till there is a viable 450 killer in electric? Twostrokies might want to be more worried about eMX'er than four strokes at some point... Not now but at some point.
Post by: _X_ on July 01, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Post by: citabjockey on July 01, 2013, 09:50:01 PM
Superbikes are already on the chopping block.
Brace yourselves.
I gotta say, I had no idea that it was even possible to package a motor/battery to do what that nutty lightning bike does. It pulls away from anything with pistons! Yes its a $35 grand (or more) toy at this point but I didn't think it was even possible. At least not in 2013.
i hope they die in a horrible battery acid induced explosion.
Post by: cnrcpla on July 01, 2013, 10:42:02 PM
Post by: factoryX on July 02, 2013, 12:41:32 AM
Battery development is expensive beyond belief. Supplying electricity to charge batteries national supply and demand would be insane as well, it would bankrupt the USA 10 times over..by .6 of a second...Doubt that.
The only thing holding back electric bikes is weight/price/inferior battery tech(Which is the cause of all three problems). The problem with the future of electric vehicles is that its only going to get more expensive...
Post by: Jeram on July 02, 2013, 01:51:31 AM
Battery development is expensive beyond belief. Supplying electricity to charge batteries national supply and demand would be insane as well, it would bankrupt the USA 10 times over..by .6 of a second...Doubt that.
The only thing holding back electric bikes is weight/price/inferior battery tech(Which is the cause of all three problems). The problem with the future of electric vehicles is that its only going to get more expensive...
People claiming that are either uneducated or have an agenda.
It simply doesn't add up.
The price saved in gasoline would by far offset the new infrastructure which would be either privatized or constructed on borrowed money. Either way, the trillions of dollars saved on gasoline over two decades which fully funds the upgraded power generation, distribution and supply costs.
Post by: factoryX on July 02, 2013, 03:09:08 AM
Post by: Jeram on July 02, 2013, 05:33:08 AM
it is feasible that in 10 years time, your bikes chassis will also be its battery, made from a graphene matrix.
That will bring the costs down big time.
Post by: Jeram on July 02, 2013, 05:35:29 AM
The majority of our electricity comes from Coal/Crude oil/Natural Gas! What savings? Solar/wind are going bankrupt!
Solar and wind are going bankrupt because they didnt bother to develop new technology in the last 10 years and as a result now the chinese have reverse engineered the current tech for half the price!
Post by: Stusmoke on July 05, 2013, 01:24:46 AM
Battery tech will be phased out soon and replaced with supercapacitors.
it is feasible that in 10 years time, your bikes chassis will also be its battery, made from a graphene matrix.
That will bring the costs down big time.
graphene is freaking awesome stuff. Once in mass production the possibilities are nigh on endless. Imagine a motorcycle that weighed less than 2 kgs... Where a 50 cc engine replaces a 500. Infastructure, farming, bullet proof vests that could stop a .50 barret round dead in its tracks and still be a tenth the weight of todays vests. So psyched for the future, glad its happening in my life time.
Post by: Jeram on July 05, 2013, 01:58:13 PM
Battery tech will be phased out soon and replaced with supercapacitors.
it is feasible that in 10 years time, your bikes chassis will also be its battery, made from a graphene matrix.
That will bring the costs down big time.
graphene is freaking awesome stuff. Once in mass production the possibilities are nigh on endless. Imagine a motorcycle that weighed less than 2 kgs... Where a 50 cc engine replaces a 500. Infastructure, farming, bullet proof vests that could stop a .50 barret round dead in its tracks and still be a tenth the weight of todays vests. So psyched for the future, glad its happening in my life time.
Not sure about the 2kg bikes though
Problem is that Graphene at this point in time only has the energy storage capacity similar to a chemical battery. It may become better over time however.
The greatest think will be that instead of having a frame and batteries, you will instead have a chassis which is the battery which will reduce the bikes mass by the weight of the chassis (about 10-20kg)
Post by: _X_ on July 05, 2013, 02:09:45 PM
Post by: SachsGS on July 10, 2013, 03:13:25 PM
It gets windy in my neck of the woods not to mention temperature extremes of 38C in the Summer down to - 38C in the Winter. Nothing like dragging out the well pump when it's - 25C (and snowing) with the ATV chained to a tree and using the ATV winch.
I did notice during that joyous event that, at the ambient temp. the pump felt hot. Geothermal heat pump anyone? In the next few weeks I'll be hiring a local excavator to do the ground work for my installation.
In my area diesel prices vary over the course of a year by about 5 %. Gas prices are much more volatile, with a price spread approaching 40 % and being higher than diesel about half the time. Prices in my area always rise magically during long weekends. It's very satisfying to be able to make biodiesel and be somewhat immune to all the price gouging.
Post by: Stusmoke on July 10, 2013, 11:14:32 PM
Stu I live in south central British Columbia, Canada.
It gets windy in my neck of the woods not to mention temperature extremes of 38C in the Summer down to - 38C in the Winter. Nothing like dragging out the well pump when it's - 25C (and snowing) with the ATV chained to a tree and using the ATV winch.
I did notice during that joyous event that, at the ambient temp. the pump felt hot. Geothermal heat pump anyone? In the next few weeks I'll be hiring a local excavator to do the ground work for my installation.
In my area diesel prices vary over the course of a year by about 5 %. Gas prices are much more volatile, with a price spread approaching 40 % and being higher than diesel about half the time. Prices in my area always rise magically during long weekends. It's very satisfying to be able to make biodiesel and be somewhat immune to all the price gouging.
Those temperatures, holy ****? And I think that -3 is cold... Although in my defense, most Australia homes aren't built with double, triple glazings. No insulation in our old house. Whatever it is outside it usually is in my room. What exactly IS biodiesel anyway? How is it made?
Post by: SachsGS on July 11, 2013, 03:40:07 PM
I take deep fryer fat (used vegetable oil) given to me by local restaurants, filter the stuff and add additives, mix it half and half with pump diesel (B50) and pour into my vehicles. It's fun and though it may sound like a lot of work there are some real savings to be had. And so, we've come full circle, Dr. Diesel's engine is once again running on the fuel it was designed for. Bio Diesel is also ,in theory, carbon neutral.
I can never figure out how my geese are able to wander about with bare feet when it is - 25C outside.
On the subject of electric vehicles in my area electric scooters are VERY popular and I'm starting to see the odd Chevy Volt.
Post by: Stusmoke on July 12, 2013, 02:11:08 AM
When Dr. Diesel invented the engine that carries his name he envisioned a stationary engine primarily used by farmers. The farmers would grow the plants that provided the vegetable oil that would power the diesel engine. At about this time the gasoline engine was becoming popular and, one of the by products of gasoline refining is petroleum diesel, so this became the main fuel for diesel engines.
I take deep fryer fat (used vegetable oil) given to me by local restaurants, filter the stuff and add additives, mix it half and half with pump diesel (B50) and pour into my vehicles. It's fun and though it may sound like a lot of work there are some real savings to be had. And so, we've come full circle, Dr. Diesel's engine is once again running on the fuel it was designed for. Bio Diesel is also ,in theory, carbon neutral.
I can never figure out how my geese are able to wander about with bare feet when it is - 25C outside.
On the subject of electric vehicles in my area electric scooters are VERY popular and I'm starting to see the odd Chevy Volt.
Thanks for that, its good to know. When you say the diesel the pumps put into the truck, are you saying that stuff is a byproduct of refining ordinary gasoline? If so, wouldn't that mean that fuel companies get to sell what is essentially waste for a higher price than the refined stuff?
Post by: TMKIWI on July 12, 2013, 04:22:50 AM
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_refinery
Post by: TMKIWI on July 12, 2013, 04:28:53 AM
Thanks for that, its good to know. When you say the diesel the pumps put into the truck, are you saying that stuff is a byproduct of refining ordinary gasoline? If so, wouldn't that mean that fuel companies get to sell what is essentially waste for a higher price than the refined stuff?
6 months ago Greenpeace started a campain to get ships to stop using heavy fuel oil and run on diesel. wtf.
Idiots. Heavy fuel oil is pretty much a by product and the change to diesel would increase freight costs astronomically.
Post by: Stusmoke on July 12, 2013, 04:41:44 AM
Like this Stu.
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_refinery
Thanks for that its quite interesting. So they use heat to draw out these different elements of crude oil? Thats pretty cool. I had no idea that things like kerosene and naptha were drawn from crude oil. What is heavy gas oil?
Post by: TMKIWI on July 12, 2013, 05:23:32 AM
What is heavy gas oil?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil
Post by: Stusmoke on July 12, 2013, 05:38:31 AM
What is heavy gas oil?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil
Thanks. Makes sense.