Post by: Charles Owens on May 17, 2013, 07:41:03 PM
Little gap there.
Post by: thorns on May 17, 2013, 07:53:35 PM
Sign her up for next year on the 250's
Post by: Charles Owens on May 17, 2013, 08:14:03 PM
Post by: riffraff on May 17, 2013, 08:15:56 PM
Post by: Coop on May 17, 2013, 09:26:12 PM
Post by: citabjockey on May 17, 2013, 10:31:20 PM
Very cool!
Post by: _X_ on May 17, 2013, 10:50:16 PM
Post by: citabjockey on May 17, 2013, 11:13:10 PM
Grrrrr......
Post by: TMKIWI on May 17, 2013, 11:33:47 PM
She will be using this as a warmup for LL and for networking.
She raced the first round of the NZ MX champs before heading to the States and won the 125 class against all the men. This is her first year on a big bike.
As an example, Kathiren Plumm who was the WMX world champ a couple of years ago, used to race against the men here and was a top 10 finisher. Just. This girl is alot quicker at a younger age.
That bike she is racing is pretty stock as well. Up against Geico Hondas.
Good luck Courtney.
Post by: GlennC on May 17, 2013, 11:39:58 PM
She may save women's motocross, and motocross at the same time.
Post by: riffraff on May 17, 2013, 11:52:32 PM
Post by: lauterbacher on May 17, 2013, 11:56:14 PM
Post by: TotalNZ on May 18, 2013, 12:05:11 AM
Not to sound like a **** but this girl is too fast for the womens class. 4 sec a lap.Yep she's amazingly fast, i've posted on here about her couple years ago and too watch out for her. She's from down my way and i've watched her for years and raced against her couple times. She was too young to race the senior class last southern series ( the premier series in these parts) but she raced in the senior feature race at the final round and her and the top senior rider lapped the whole field and up to 9th twice.
She will be using this as a warmup for LL and for networking.
She raced the first round of the NZ MX champs before heading to the States and won the 125 class against all the men. This is her first year on a big bike.
As an example, Kathiren Plumm who was the WMX world champ a couple of years ago, used to race against the men here and was a top 10 finisher. Just. This girl is alot quicker at a younger age.
That bike she is racing is pretty stock as well. Up against Geico Hondas.
Good luck Courtney.
I think it's a given that she'll easily be womens world champion but her real goal i believe is to smoke the boys too, and she's got the pace to do it.
Post by: citabjockey on May 18, 2013, 12:19:53 AM
Lets us dream. ok?
She probably has already been approached by one of the big 4 to race a 4 stroke.
Post by: TMKIWI on May 18, 2013, 12:52:21 AM
Keep us informed on the future plans.
Post by: TotalNZ on May 18, 2013, 01:03:37 AM
Hey total. Doesn't your mate Jeremy ? look after her in the states.?Yeah, he's over there with her helping her out. Backflips clothing and GMD are big supporters of hers.
Keep us informed on the future plans.
I'm so stoked to see her realizing her potential. I remember watching her on a 65 racing against older boys on 85's and them having to hold her back till the rest of the field had done a complete lap, then she'd still go out and win. And they were only 3 lap races.
Post by: TMKIWI on May 18, 2013, 01:08:35 AM
Post by: citabjockey on May 18, 2013, 02:12:58 AM
Is she getting support from Yamaha.?
Post by: riffraff on May 18, 2013, 04:13:31 AM
would that be contingent on her riding a four stroke?Is she getting support from Yamaha.?
NOOOOOO, she can't turn to the dark side
Post by: TotalNZ on May 18, 2013, 05:23:59 AM
Is she getting support from Yamaha.?Not as far as i know, i'll try and get jeremy to post on here to post on here.
Post by: Suzuki TS250/185 on May 18, 2013, 05:37:06 AM
Is she getting support from Yamaha.?
Did Cedric ever get any support from KTM??? Nope, he put their 250SX bike up on the podium in Paris, and won some rounds of Euro Supercross, but because he was on the 2 Stoke model, they told Sarholtz KTM, the shop he was riding for, that they would not offer any support.
Post by: TMKIWI on May 18, 2013, 08:28:58 AM
Did Cedric ever get any support from KTM??? Nope, he put their 250SX bike up on the podium in Paris, and won some rounds of Euro Supercross, but because he was on the 2 Stoke model, they told Sarholtz KTM, the shop he was riding for, that they would not offer any support.
Bit different here as we have a national 125 class.
Remember they let DK win 2 NZ champs on a YZ250 and he was the team manager.
Most of the young guns here have Yamaha support. They have a good youth program.
Not sure if Courtney is one of them but would be suprised if she wasn't.
Edit. I mean Yamaha NZ not Japan or US.
Post by: vetman on May 18, 2013, 09:24:01 AM
Post by: jmr on May 19, 2013, 01:42:15 AM
congratulations girl.....
Now i wish the brands look different for 2-strokes and see that bikes are still competitive against 4-strokes...
Post by: Watson777 on May 19, 2013, 04:31:58 AM
Post by: Suzuki TS250/185 on May 19, 2013, 05:12:36 AM
Yes she may be "too fast" for the womens class but she is also 30 SECONDS A LAP too slow to make the guys class! So she is much better off smokin the 4-jokes in the womens class
I don't know where you're looking at those numbers.... - BUT On the Lucas Oil Motocross website:
I see a Moto 2 Fast Lap time of [2:10] from Blake Warton (Male/Pro - 250 cc ("Foo-Fifty" I hear people in the pits starting to call those 4 stroke 250's now...)
I see a Moto 2 Fast Lap time of [2:19] from Courtney Dunkin
That's a difference of 9 seconds - Blake Warton is a PROMINENT male pro - Blake Warton was on a 250 Fooper - Courtney was on a 125 Stroker - Also, Courtney kinda' looked like she was just cruising.....
Post by: Uniflow on May 19, 2013, 09:19:11 AM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on May 19, 2013, 10:27:16 AM
Post by: Uniflowthe2nd on May 19, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
Post by: Lolerbabop on May 19, 2013, 11:33:37 AM
Post by: riffraff on May 19, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
Post by: lauterbacher on May 19, 2013, 05:44:18 PM
Your probably on top of this already but what an opportunity to push the web site, And 2 strokes period.
Post by: factoryX on May 19, 2013, 06:22:27 PM
Post by: lauterbacher on May 19, 2013, 06:48:27 PM
Thinking out of the Box. I know I would be talking to Chad reed who I think is on the downside and see what he thinks of running a two stroke even if it was for one last year next year. He is his own Co. There is so much that can be done with this for little money and time.
Josh Mcbride who is posting on here should be interviewed. Were are the 2 or 3 riders you have . They should be on this forum being interviewed and just plane having interaction with the forum members.
TSM could be at the races with a press pass asking nice but pointed questions to the Mfg's. So much so much can be done. Just opinions, but I believe in the 2 strokes and there is a wave going on right now and you guys can be riding it Big Time.
Post by: eprovenzano on May 19, 2013, 09:37:49 PM
Huge marketing situation here, This Girl has probably already been approached by other Mfg's. It's obvious that out side of an injury she'll win the title. TSM you need an interview now. Find out what is the price for her to ride wearing an TSM jersey.
Your probably on top of this already but what an opportunity to push the web site, And 2 strokes period.
Charles is trying to track her down.
Post by: Charles Owens on May 19, 2013, 11:04:45 PM
Post by: citabjockey on May 19, 2013, 11:14:39 PM
We have been in touch with her, we'll see how it goes.
Post by: Fuzz on May 19, 2013, 11:15:28 PM
Kind Regards
Jamie Shore
Backflips Clothing (Courtney's Clothing Sponsor)
www.backflips.co.nz
Life Life & Commit!
Post by: citabjockey on May 20, 2013, 12:40:55 AM
You have a gem of a rider there, no doubt.
Keep her safe and having fun - ok? Thanks for all you do
Post by: Fuzz on May 20, 2013, 12:48:16 AM
Thanks for posting Jamie!
You have a gem of a rider there, no doubt.
Keep her safe and having fun - ok? Thanks for all you do
Thanks citabjockey,
We have been looking after Courtney for years now watching her grow from the 65cc to the 85cc to the 125cc and every time she steps it up more and more. If any of you are after some of the clothing courtney wears please check out our website we worldwide. and we are currently designing the 151Tee should will be sick.
Cheers
Jamie
Post by: citabjockey on May 20, 2013, 02:12:50 AM
Vital MX member slumpstone
Posts: 82
Joined: 9/22/2006
Location: Thomasville, GA USA
I built the bike for her the week before the race and it is a 125 with a stock head, porting and a v force reed cage. Crank and piston are OEM stock.
Post by: citabjockey on May 20, 2013, 02:14:01 AM
Thanks for posting Jamie!
You have a gem of a rider there, no doubt.
Keep her safe and having fun - ok? Thanks for all you do
Thanks citabjockey,
We have been looking after Courtney for years now watching her grow from the 65cc to the 85cc to the 125cc and every time she steps it up more and more. If any of you are after some of the clothing courtney wears please check out our website we worldwide. and we are currently designing the 151Tee should will be sick.
Cheers
Jamie
Post by: TotalNZ on May 20, 2013, 05:37:02 AM
Courtney is sponsored by Backflips clothing company, Who's this again?Thanks for posting Jamie!
You have a gem of a rider there, no doubt.
Keep her safe and having fun - ok? Thanks for all you do
Thanks citabjockey,
We have been looking after Courtney for years now watching her grow from the 65cc to the 85cc to the 125cc and every time she steps it up more and more. If any of you are after some of the clothing courtney wears please check out our website we worldwide. and we are currently designing the 151Tee should will be sick.
Cheers
Jamie
Post by: TMKIWI on May 20, 2013, 06:40:40 AM
Give her a bit more time. She has beaten every boy in all the mini classes in NZ she has raced in.
Not saying she is AC292 quick, but quick enough.
Post by: TotalNZ on May 20, 2013, 08:13:50 AM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on May 20, 2013, 09:38:11 AM
Please don't take my comments as criticisms to her. I was only pointing out the numbers. Since she is on the track at different times as the boys (either class), she is going to have a different time simply due to the development/degradation of the track. An example of that is Tomac's vs. Barcia's lap times. Obviously the track is way different when the 250F's qualify than when the 450F's qualify hence the 250F's being slightly quicker. In addition, she might be able to "crank it up a notch" if she had too. It seems she is just rolling around out there and not pushing herself since her competition isn't on her fender.
Wouldn't it be great to have a "girl" on a 125 qualify in the men's National 250F class? Just the thought of it brings tears to my eyes! She should try it at non-combined rounds - if for nothing else but to demoralize the BOYZ!
Post by: citabjockey on May 20, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Please don't take my comments as criticisms to her. I was only pointing out the numbers. Since she is on the track at different times as the boys (either class), she is going to have a different time simply due to the development/degradation of the track. An example of that is Tomac's vs. Barcia's lap times. Obviously the track is way different when the 250F's qualify than when the 450F's qualify hence the 250F's being slightly quicker. In addition, she might be able to "crank it up a notch" if she had too. It seems she is just rolling around out there and not pushing herself since her competition isn't on her fender.
Wouldn't it be great to have a "girl" on a 125 qualify in the men's National 250F class? Just the thought of it brings tears to my eyes! She should try it at non-combined rounds - if for nothing else but to demoralize the BOYZ!
Post by: Charles Owens on May 20, 2013, 01:59:20 PM
Post by: citabjockey on May 20, 2013, 03:08:27 PM
Also keep in mind this is her first year on a 'big bike'
Post by: _X_ on May 20, 2013, 11:12:07 PM
Post by: davo59 on May 21, 2013, 12:48:22 AM
I wouldn't rule our Courtney Duncan never qualifying for a Mens Pro race. Here is some facts you may not know.
We all said the same thing in New Zealand when she started racing the guys but she proved us very very wrong. Not only did she qualify for her very first senior race against men in the (February) 2013 New Zealand championships 125cc class (we are lucky enough to have a 125cc championship as well as the 250 and 450), she went on to win the round, convincingly, against the men. The rougher the track got the faster she went. She was the only girl at the championship.
Her laps times that day would have also qualified her for the New Zealand championships 250cc Pro and the 450cc Pro open. Ben Townley raced and many Australian champion riders also came over to race that meeting.
Of worthy note: She also got 6th overall (including a 3rd in one race) in the World FIM Junior Championships in the 13 -16 85cc class against all the boys. She was the only female rider at the event. This was in the junior world FIM championships, the same one Eli Tomac won that year.
Now I am not saying that means a lot in the USA where the pro riders are all seriously fast, so I will give a little more info....
In Hangtown she was riding a 125 with a near stock 125 engine (it was not a 144) , as I understand she just had a pipe and some reeds. It was her very first ever Pro Race in the USA. She had never been to that track before. She has only been riding the 125cc this year. She just turned 17. She has no factory support and she had a friend from New Zealand spannering for her. They drove across the USA in a small RV. Her 1st qualifying time was 2.13. She won the 1st race by 29 seconds and the 2nd by 14 seconds. It seems too on the day, I was there, that she had more in the tank as well. Makes the feat all the more incredible when you start adding it all up.
Give her a few more years racing, a factory supported bike, with some more experience in the USA and I think she may well qualify, in fact I know she will.
Remember a lot us said the exact same thing and we had to swallow our words when she cleaned up against the best riders in New Zealand in the 2013 New Zealand 125cc championship round back in February where she was the only girl racing. (and she had only just started racing the 125cc and had only just come back from a year off due to injury). A lot of senior pro racers (125cc class) where left shaking their head that day........
She also came 3rd behind Cooper Webb last year in the 85/150cc class in USA as well and Cooper Webb was around top 10 at Hangtown wasnt he
Food for thought
How about a friendly wager??
Post by: msmola2002 on May 21, 2013, 02:43:52 AM
Post by: _X_ on May 21, 2013, 10:32:51 PM
Post by: citabjockey on May 22, 2013, 12:39:49 AM
this is a mans world
HA HA HA Ha ha ha he he he he he heheheheheheh
You are too funny.
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on May 22, 2013, 09:27:05 AM
Unfortunately, to do so she's gonna have to cross over to the dark side and cough cough ride a 250F. Sorry, don't throw beer bottles at me. There is no chicken wire protecting this stage.
Personally, I hope she does at least a partial season in the mens group on the 125. It'll make my heart swell 3 sizes too big!
Post by: bearorso on May 22, 2013, 09:30:52 AM
But, if you have followed Courtney's progress, you can see clearly that she is shooting for that "mans world".
That she is doing so, I hope, will encourage more woman to get out of their "comfort zones", and try to become better and better. I'd hoped that Ashley Fiolek, and other US WMX riders, would make an effort, and try to progress further. Ashley, has / had access to bikes competitive with anything on the line of a US National. But, she's elected to retire - as she has every right to - she's been at racing for a long, long time, and it seems she has chosen to move on. Though, reportedly, she's answered questions about her retirement with "the series sucks". Her ambitions, may have been achieved, and they appear to have been limited to women's racing.
The race on the weekend was reportedly Courtney's first "Pro" race of her career.
She's been reported as having always seen herself as a "racer" - not a WMX racer only.
She's only 17 - she has many years ahead of her, if she continues with her career.
I see no reason that her gender should restrict her from succeeding - talent is not only the province of men on a bike. And, her size should not be a disadvantage - many male MC racers are small.
I wish her well, and hope she gets to the level of success She is aiming for. She's a highly talented Motocross rider, that's at the very beginning of her Pro career.
Post by: motoman356 on May 23, 2013, 04:00:23 AM
She could do this but if she is so used to podium finishes then completing a moto near last would be quite a shock. By the Hangtown lap times that is what would happen. That said, if she did qualify for the show and was able to finish ahead of even a single 250F that would be amazing. Renner came close (but on a 144).
Post by: citabjockey on May 23, 2013, 05:15:32 AM
I thought in one race last year he used a 144 but in the last supercross (was it New Orleans?) he stuck to a 125 and did not make the show. I was not aware of RedBud. That said I wonder how his lap times compared to the leaders and how that compares with Courtney's lap times against the 250F top tier racers at Hangtown last weekend?
http://www.americanmotocrossresults.com/live/archives/mx/2012/06/250_overall.pdf
Post by: shanes on May 23, 2013, 05:29:05 AM
Post by: Charles Owens on May 23, 2013, 05:38:07 AM
She's staying at MTF, Colleen Millsaps has been our 'mediator'.
"She is planning on going to a 4 stroke next year but as of yet has nothing solid in the USA..
She is however interested in running the KTM next year, so she would be very happy to speak with you about doing that!"
We invited her to come by at High Point and meet the team and check out the bikes. Colleen said she would send her our way.
She has a good training program in place, raw talent and desire. I think she could qualify in the 250 or 450 class next year.
We would love to have her.
Post by: eprovenzano on May 23, 2013, 01:19:36 PM
Post by: citabjockey on May 23, 2013, 06:06:14 PM
Post by: Coop on May 23, 2013, 06:11:56 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 23, 2013, 11:07:21 PM
My concern is though, the extraordinary amount of ammunition this will give to the AMA and by extension the big four to say that DD is fair.
Post by: TMKIWI on May 24, 2013, 01:50:33 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 24, 2013, 02:28:02 AM
That video is about 1.10 min too long.
Damn straight. First 10 odd seconds is what MX should sound like.
I wanna see this girl on a YZ250 or 250SX in hte mens nationals. Badly.
Post by: _X_ on May 24, 2013, 02:42:36 AM
Post by: TMKIWI on May 24, 2013, 05:38:47 AM
she would only be sixtysixth fastest at the ama 250 national. but she may produce some killer child bearing hips as a result of riding her two-stroke.
You may be right x, BUT there is no way a 125 is as fast as a 250F these days.
The other thing is how hard was she really trying?. You are not going to risk a crash when you have it over your competition and are that far in the lead.
She beat all the men in her first ever big bike race only a few months ago.
Left everyone shocked.
Josh Coppins says she can make a main and at this stage I would have to believe him.
Post by: Stusmoke on May 24, 2013, 09:03:43 AM
she would only be sixtysixth fastest at the ama 250 national. but she may produce some killer child bearing hips as a result of riding her two-stroke.
You may be right x, BUT there is no way a 125 is as fast as a 250F these days.
The other thing is how hard was she really trying?. You are not going to risk a crash when you have it over your competition and are that far in the lead.
She beat all the men in her first ever big bike race only a few months ago.
Left everyone shocked.
Josh Coppins says she can make a main and at this stage I would have to believe him.
I dunno who Josh Coppins is but I agree. I want to see it happen. She just walked all over those foopers on a machine half the displacement. Not only a HP and torque disadvantage, but harder to ride. I don't know about the rest of the track but that big hill is a place where a 250Fs power would come in right handy. Yet she still had a solid 5 second lead at least.
Talent much much?
Post by: bearorso on May 24, 2013, 09:59:32 AM
Lets hope that the other women now step up, and try to match her - JP and others have been either cruising for a few years, or they have reached their personal best. Tara Geiger and a couple of others, were in Spain for the Enduro X, but she / they would not come close to Courtney.
I do hope she is not ignored for being less than a 'glamour girl' - I've long thought, that besides the stagnant level of WMX talent in the US, Ashley Fiolek got a lot more attention and backing because many males would think she was 'cute'. JP , I think, suffers from the 'non glamour girl' syndrome, I believe. I don't give a flying f*** about that sort of thing in the athletes I admire ( though I like a good perv like most blokes), and I've never been more impressed by AF's genuinely great accomplishments by her being being deaf.
Stusmoke - you're an OZ bloke, aren't you? And you haven't heard of Josh Coppins? If you follow MX - well, at least a tiny bit of the GPs and OZ MX, you would have heard of him. Hey, I'm the first bloke to put my hand up and say I don't very closely follow OZ MX / MXers, until they get to hell out of here, to go for other, bigger things, but if you are an Aussie - or one of those 'orrible Kiwis', his name has been thrown around for years. Strewth, I think even the mainly inward looking Americans, may have heard of him............
As for your comment : "My concern is though, the extraordinary amount of ammunition this will give to the AMA and by extension the big four to say that DD is fair." I too. share this same concern.
She'll have to race back here in the Antipodes, the be allowed to race a 250 2t, against 250 4ts - though, I think Loretta Lynn's allows equivalency? - She'll be on a 250F though, if she goes to a 250 - it's how it goes. Though, I'd love to be wrong on that.
Post by: Stusmoke on May 24, 2013, 10:13:23 AM
Post by: rlaj1004 on May 24, 2013, 02:43:48 PM
she would only be sixtysixth fastest at the ama 250 national. but she may produce some killer child bearing hips as a result of riding her two-stroke.
When does the WMX race during the day, before, during, after the mens?? I was comparing her lap times (which I have to quote someones post here at 2:15 cus direct/fuel/nbc coverage SUCKS) but she would have been running somewhere between 20-30 in the race. I am curious is she qualified on the smooth freeway track like Tomac did at 1:57.
Post by: Shawn36 on May 24, 2013, 02:54:11 PM
she would only be sixtysixth fastest at the ama 250 national. but she may produce some killer child bearing hips as a result of riding her two-stroke.
When does the WMX race during the day, before, during, after the mens?? I was comparing her lap times (which I have to quote someones post here at 2:15 cus direct/fuel/nbc coverage SUCKS) but she would have been running somewhere between 20-30 in the race. I am curious is she qualified on the smooth freeway track like Tomac did at 1:57.
http://www.americanmotocrossresults.com/live/archives/mx/2013/index.html?EventID=M1305
The women qualify first and their motos are between the men's during the day program. So yes she qualified on a glass smooth track at Hangtown and during their races she rode on the same rough track. In order to qualify for the 250 gate without running a consi your lap had to be under a 2:08.7. Courtney qualified in WMX with a 2:13.5, and like I said she did that before there were any laps turned in anger by the pros. In her second qualifying session after the track was beat up from the pros she put in a 2:19.
During the motos the top 250 guys were running 2:05s, Duncan was running 2:21-2:24 with a fastest single lap of 2:19. Those lap times during the moto would have put her next to the last guy still making laps during the race.
This is certainly not to put her down, just putting real numbers out there.
Post by: _X_ on May 24, 2013, 02:57:25 PM
Post by: rlaj1004 on May 24, 2013, 06:47:02 PM
she would only be sixtysixth fastest at the ama 250 national. but she may produce some killer child bearing hips as a result of riding her two-stroke.
When does the WMX race during the day, before, during, after the mens?? I was comparing her lap times (which I have to quote someones post here at 2:15 cus direct/fuel/nbc coverage SUCKS) but she would have been running somewhere between 20-30 in the race. I am curious is she qualified on the smooth freeway track like Tomac did at 1:57.
http://www.americanmotocrossresults.com/live/archives/mx/2013/index.html?EventID=M1305
The women qualify first and their motos are between the men's during the day program. So yes she qualified on a glass smooth track at Hangtown and during their races she rode on the same rough track. In order to qualify for the 250 gate without running a consi your lap had to be under a 2:08.7. Courtney qualified in WMX with a 2:13.5, and like I said she did that before there were any laps turned in anger by the pros. In her second qualifying session after the track was beat up from the pros she put in a 2:19.
During the motos the top 250 guys were running 2:05s, Duncan was running 2:21-2:24 with a fastest single lap of 2:19. Those lap times during the moto would have put her next to the last guy still making laps during the race.
This is certainly not to put her down, just putting real numbers out there.
Yeah, I have to wonder how fast she can really be. She is on a basically stock YZ, even has a dent in the pipe. You know no pro out there would run that and no one was pushing her at all. Hate to even hear she is moving to a F in 4S, but if Yamaha has her tied up they will want her on one.
Its up to TSM to show up the 450's
Post by: TotalNZ on May 24, 2013, 11:09:55 PM
Are you f***ing kidding me not knowing who Josh Coppin's is.she would only be sixtysixth fastest at the ama 250 national. but she may produce some killer child bearing hips as a result of riding her two-stroke.
You may be right x, BUT there is no way a 125 is as fast as a 250F these days.
The other thing is how hard was she really trying?. You are not going to risk a crash when you have it over your competition and are that far in the lead.
She beat all the men in her first ever big bike race only a few months ago.
Left everyone shocked.
Josh Coppins says she can make a main and at this stage I would have to believe him.
I dunno who Josh Coppins is but I agree. I want to see it happen. She just walked all over those foopers on a machine half the displacement. Not only a HP and torque disadvantage, but harder to ride. I don't know about the rest of the track but that big hill is a place where a 250Fs power would come in right handy. Yet she still had a solid 5 second lead at least.
Talent much much?
Are you sure you're into MX?
Post by: shanes on May 24, 2013, 11:40:42 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 25, 2013, 12:57:00 AM
Are you f***ing kidding me not knowing who Josh Coppin's is.she would only be sixtysixth fastest at the ama 250 national. but she may produce some killer child bearing hips as a result of riding her two-stroke.
You may be right x, BUT there is no way a 125 is as fast as a 250F these days.
The other thing is how hard was she really trying?. You are not going to risk a crash when you have it over your competition and are that far in the lead.
She beat all the men in her first ever big bike race only a few months ago.
Left everyone shocked.
Josh Coppins says she can make a main and at this stage I would have to believe him.
I dunno who Josh Coppins is but I agree. I want to see it happen. She just walked all over those foopers on a machine half the displacement. Not only a HP and torque disadvantage, but harder to ride. I don't know about the rest of the track but that big hill is a place where a 250Fs power would come in right handy. Yet she still had a solid 5 second lead at least.
Talent much much?
Are you sure you're into MX?
Quite sure. I just don't have tiem to follow it. Makes me sad
i like women that have a little meat on their bones...very nice.
I hope for your sake that she doesn't read this. If you get a pedophila claim made against you we all know where its from
Post by: TMKIWI on May 25, 2013, 01:19:57 AM
You heard of Google.?
Post by: _X_ on May 25, 2013, 01:52:23 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 25, 2013, 07:36:29 AM
nothing wrong with admiring beautiful young women stu. never said i want dibs. ha!
Im her age so its all good
Coppins won the Ozzie MX1 class last year Stu.
You heard of Google.?
How do you think I found TSM? Heres how I think: I could sit at my computer reading and occasionally watching motocross, or I can go down the paddock and get better at the real thing.
Post by: Suzuki TS250/185 on May 25, 2013, 08:39:26 AM
A bystander video just showed up:
I don't know how the undercover 4 stroke trolls among us feel, but I'm looking at the speed of the 2 different bike types going up this big hill and the 125 with pipe and reed cage looks just as fast as the factory and professional team prepped, 100% advantage handicapped, fuel injected, 250 foopers.
4 Stroke trolls might be able to make a case for this is the video was shot on a tight s curve or something "Where the slower but lighter 2 stroke has an unfair advantage"... but this wide open uphill??? Seems to me that even a totally unskilled rider could do a decent job nailing the throttle up this hill. Situations like this where the terrain isn't acutely challenging are where the power of the BIKES show through with less input from rider skill.
And I see the half sized two stroke shooting up the hill just as fast as the foopers... So I'm not convinced that they are so much faster. Oh there's also the fact that the two stroke wasn't given a head start as far as I know, and all these riders are in the same racing class, and the 125 is like 1/2 a minute out in front...
I know undercover 4 stroke trolls don't agree, and I know that those who are passionate about getting equal displacement almost come off more like 4 stroke trolls than 2 stroke fans - because of the way they constantly talk down about 2 strokes and favorably about foopers, in order to try to justify their equal displacement desires.
But I know the 4 strokes don't look any faster in this fan video even though they have advantage after advantage piled up like cow patties.
Post by: lauterbacher on May 25, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 25, 2013, 11:19:35 AM
A bystander video just showed up:
I don't know how the undercover 4 stroke trolls among us feel, but I'm looking at the speed of the 2 different bike types going up this big hill and the 125 with pipe and reed cage looks just as fast as the factory and professional team prepped, 100% advantage handicapped, fuel injected, 250 foopers.
4 Stroke trolls might be able to make a case for this is the video was shot on a tight s curve or something "Where the slower but lighter 2 stroke has an unfair advantage"... but this wide open uphill??? Seems to me that even a totally unskilled rider could do a decent job nailing the throttle up this hill. Situations like this where the terrain isn't acutely challenging are where the power of the BIKES show through with less input from rider skill.
And I see the half sized two stroke shooting up the hill just as fast as the foopers... So I'm not convinced that they are so much faster. Oh there's also the fact that the two stroke wasn't given a head start as far as I know, and all these riders are in the same racing class, and the 125 is like 1/2 a minute out in front...
I know undercover 4 stroke trolls don't agree, and I know that those who are passionate about getting equal displacement almost come off more like 4 stroke trolls than 2 stroke fans - because of the way they constantly talk down about 2 strokes and favorably about foopers, in order to try to justify their equal displacement desires.
But I know the 4 strokes don't look any faster in this fan video even though they have advantage after advantage piled up like cow patties.
Really? I can tell quite a different in how fast courtney made her way up that hill and the way the second place rider did whom I believe was riding a 250SXF. I was quite sure the 250Fs were all faster up that hill.
Post by: Charles Owens on May 25, 2013, 02:25:22 PM
Post by: Suzuki TS250/185 on May 25, 2013, 02:50:34 PM
There was this weird disconnect between what the announcers where saying was happening... and what you could see happening with your own 2 eyes as the bikes raced up the hill.
Of course, you did have to time them back then because in the early laps of that race, the 4 stroke could still be seen in the same shot, unlike this example.
Post by: scotty dog on May 25, 2013, 03:20:09 PM
Are you f***ing kidding me not knowing who Josh Coppin's is.she would only be sixtysixth fastest at the ama 250 national. but she may produce some killer child bearing hips as a result of riding her two-stroke.
You may be right x, BUT there is no way a 125 is as fast as a 250F these days.
The other thing is how hard was she really trying?. You are not going to risk a crash when you have it over your competition and are that far in the lead.
She beat all the men in her first ever big bike race only a few months ago.
Left everyone shocked.
Josh Coppins says she can make a main and at this stage I would have to believe him.
I dunno who Josh Coppins is but I agree. I want to see it happen. She just walked all over those foopers on a machine half the displacement. Not only a HP and torque disadvantage, but harder to ride. I don't know about the rest of the track but that big hill is a place where a 250Fs power would come in right handy. Yet she still had a solid 5 second lead at least.
Talent much much?
Are you sure you're into MX?
i said the same thing to myself! Are you kidding! geez Stu 
Post by: davo59 on May 25, 2013, 11:47:41 PM
Many riders in NZ often put 2 strokes into 4 stroke frames and do well with them. In fact there has been testing on a electronic fuel injected 2 stroke 500cc and has been doing well. Take a look at this. A CR500 2 stroke fuel injected in a YZF450 frame. Shows drags with 450 4 strokes. Ridden by a mutli champion MX rider. Designed and built in New Zealand. 105kgs wet, rider says rides like a 250 zinger.
Re Josh Coppins. Raced MX world championship GPs in Europe for 16 years, twice 2nd in MX1 world championships, only rider to beat Stefan Everts on a number of occasions, 2 times 3rd in MX of Nations including once being part of the team coming 3rd in the USA. Coppins took over Everts ride and Minaldi Yamaha and in 2006 or 2007 Coppins was so far in the lead in the MX1 he would have won the series in one more race but a stone jammed his rear brakes and threw him into a fence and injured him putting him out of the championships. A very cruel blow considering he had won some 6 GPs by mid season. Coppins is also the current Australian MX1 champion and is a multi time British MX1 champion. He just retired this year and now runs the Yamaha team in NZ and is a test rider for the Yamaha factory team in Australia.
I think Coppins would have quite abit of insight into whether Courtney would qualify for a Pro mens race. I would agree with him for the reasons set out in the earlier posting. Saw an interveiew back here in NZ with Courtney Duncan the other day and she confirmed she will be racing the rest of the series in the USA and then do Lorreta Lynns and then see what happens from there.
Post by: rlaj1004 on May 26, 2013, 03:26:42 PM
In fact there has been testing on a electronic fuel injected 2 stroke 500cc and has been doing well. Take a look at this. A CR500 2 stroke fuel injected in a YZF450 frame. Shows drags with 450 4 strokes. Ridden by a mutli champion MX rider. Designed and built in New Zealand. 105kgs wet, rider says rides like a 250 zinger.
Wait, What? I thought this can't be done ( fuel inject a 2 S ) And who was the EFI guys? Wheres Uniflow with his?
I want one
Post by: Stusmoke on May 26, 2013, 09:31:23 PM
In fact there has been testing on a electronic fuel injected 2 stroke 500cc and has been doing well. Take a look at this. A CR500 2 stroke fuel injected in a YZF450 frame. Shows drags with 450 4 strokes. Ridden by a mutli champion MX rider. Designed and built in New Zealand. 105kgs wet, rider says rides like a 250 zinger.
Wait, What? I thought this can't be done ( fuel inject a 2 S ) And who was the EFI guys? Wheres Uniflow with his?
I want one
It was posted up a fair while ago. I would rather see the KX500 EFIed than the CR500.
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