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Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 01, 2013, 10:25:08 PM
We'll pin this up and talk it out here.
Thanks to all of these sponsors coming on board mid season, they are all excited for the effort. Consider them next time you order!



Feel free to use this thread to ask questions or just check out the pictures and videos coming soon.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: SwapperMX on May 02, 2013, 01:18:37 AM
Will be one of the greatest threads ever. Getting close now !!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: shanes on May 02, 2013, 01:25:15 AM
hit GoPro up for camera's so you can upload the onboard footage from the riders for each race  8) 8)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: motoxr377 on May 03, 2013, 01:57:49 PM
hit GoPro up for camera's so you can upload the onboard footage from the riders for each race  8) 8)

That's a must! See you at the nats
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 03, 2013, 04:53:26 PM


move along..nothing to see here  :-* :-*
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 03, 2013, 05:51:13 PM
Proof for the back door of our hauler wrap

Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 03, 2013, 06:20:17 PM
Proof for the back door of our hauler wrap



Looks good charles!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: citabjockey on May 03, 2013, 07:56:25 PM
Charlies:

Do you have a google calendar for this effort? You could put in the race days each rider will attend to help us follow. Can't wait for news!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: mxracer239 on May 04, 2013, 02:15:54 PM
I will be at red bud this year it will be my first national to attend, my wife an i will be driving up from Arkansas. Super excited to go an will be cheering on the tsm mx team!!!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 05, 2013, 05:40:11 AM
Late night in the shop! Busy day for the triplets tomorrow/today. Motors heading to Cycle Playground, Suspension to WP USA and frames to Advanced Coating Solutions.





Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: citabjockey on May 05, 2013, 02:30:53 PM
Man your operation looks just so professional! Very nice!

Are the bikes going to be clones or is there some customization for each rider? Do you plan to vary just for experimentation sake -- like one bike is the HP king another is more of a torque master? You could use the data on which bike does best for following races and seasons. Just curious.



Late night in the shop! Busy day for the triplets tomorrow/today. Motors heading to Cycle Playground, Suspension to WP USA and frames to Advanced Coating Solutions.






Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 05, 2013, 03:55:00 PM
The bikes will be clones visually. Each motor is being built to the riders desire, they will also be running their own preferred  bar bends.
Motors/carbs are heading to Cycle Playground now, we should be able to begin testing/tuning this weekend.. if everything goes right.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 06, 2013, 12:34:48 AM
Assembly line waiting on frames and motors to come back.




The Nihilo gas caps look good!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: eprovenzano on May 06, 2013, 01:49:00 PM
All I can say is  :o ...  Loving the "triplets"  8)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: _X_ on May 06, 2013, 11:29:08 PM
really excited about this!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: DESERTFOX19 on May 07, 2013, 12:05:23 AM
I cant wait to see some two strokes on TV.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: lauterbacher on May 07, 2013, 12:46:37 AM
knowing that these 250's put out almost 50 hp stock,It would be interesting to know what they have achieved at the factory with these engines.
that they don't want to say. I do believe that there is 2 stroke momentum buildlng and that some success in the U.S. with a large market could help push KTM to push there 2 stroke RD forward.
        At least I hope so.


Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 07, 2013, 06:06:47 PM
Time for some pics?

Nihilo Brake Tips



Wheel sets from Dubya



Cycle Playground digging in



3's :)



Frmaes will be back from Powder Coat Friday

Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Coop on May 08, 2013, 11:48:40 AM
After tomorrow I am done with school finally. Wish you were closer, I'd gladly jump in and help with the wrenching.

Good stuff Charles! Keep the pics flowing :) .
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 08, 2013, 12:54:01 PM
Seats from Pete at Traction MX Seating.
They are black/orange the lighting makes it look gray. They are the same black as the YZ and the project bikes.




Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on May 08, 2013, 01:02:06 PM
What's the full list of things your having done to these bikes? doesnt seem like there will be any KTM left.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 08, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
What's the full list of things your having done to these bikes? doesnt seem like there will be any KTM left.

Here's the easiest way to answer that. :)

Powersport Grafx - Bike graphics and hauler wrap

WP USA - 'A' kit suspension

Boyesen - Rad Valves

Wiseco - Pistons and Gaskets

ProX - Connecting Rods

FMF - Pipes

Dubya USA - Wheel Sets, Orange Talon hubs/black spokes/Orange nipples/Black DID rims

Spazztic Clothing - TSM Apparel

ALLRedy Canopies - Canopies, Flags and banners

MX Traction Seating - Seat Covers

Sleepy Hollow MX Park - Support

Spectro Oils - premix, oils, lubes

Mika Metals - Sprockets, handlebars

DT1 Air Filters - Filters and alluminum filter cages

Cycle Playground - Engine build/mechanic

Rekluse - Manual Core clutches

Nihilo Concepts - Billet goodies

Devol - glide plates, radiator braces and billet goodies

RacePro USA - Fuel cans and fuel coolers

IMS - Pegs

We are replacing the stock 4 piece metal cooling T's in the frame with a solid 1 piece silicone part.
Renthal Gold chains, Dunlops, Orange KTM Racing levers and other misc goods from the amazing KTM Powerparts catalog. :)
I'm sure I'm forgetting plenty, I'll add as parts finish coming in.





Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: eprovenzano on May 08, 2013, 05:26:10 PM
So what's left that's stock, the frame???
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 08, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
So what's left that's stock, the frame???

Yeah, bit its being coated orange :)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 08, 2013, 07:03:20 PM
Marshall's proof from www.ridepg.com

Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 10, 2013, 02:09:48 AM


nothing says we're here to kick 4 stroke butt, like some fresh candy from the candy store
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 10, 2013, 09:57:02 PM
The fun part!



DT1 Filter Cage




Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: SwapperMX on May 11, 2013, 11:25:38 AM
Looking so good !!  :o

Bring on the outdoors !!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Lolerbabop on May 11, 2013, 12:42:00 PM

What are those even good for?

Oh! And imo you guys should have painted the sub frame and swingarm black.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 11, 2013, 03:06:45 PM

What are those even good for?

Oh! And imo you guys should have painted the sub frame and swingarm black.

They are aluminum, more rigid that the OEM plastic cage offers a better seal with no added weight.

Powder coating the swingarm and subframe would have looked good.. on a show bike :)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Lolerbabop on May 11, 2013, 04:42:24 PM

Powder coating the swingarm and subframe would have looked good.. on a show bike :)
It would have looked good on a race bike also.

Marshall's proof from www.ridepg.com


These would look nice... On a show bike. :)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: scotty dog on May 11, 2013, 05:16:08 PM
Gunna look so sweet ;) can't wait to see em finished
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 11, 2013, 05:36:30 PM
It would have looked great on the race bikes, for a moto or two. :) Then they would get chipped and look real bad.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Lolerbabop on May 11, 2013, 05:40:16 PM
It would have looked great on the race bikes, for a moto or two. :) Then they would get chipped and look real bad.
Use cheap paint.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 13, 2013, 06:37:56 PM
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 14, 2013, 02:29:03 AM
It would have looked great on the race bikes, for a moto or two. :) Then they would get chipped and look real bad.
Use cheap paint.

and have it look even more crap afterwards? lol
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 14, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
Assembly Line




Mike Sottile's bike coming together




Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 15, 2013, 08:23:44 PM

Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on May 15, 2013, 08:26:37 PM
When do you get your 380 motors for them?
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 15, 2013, 08:46:11 PM
Haha, our 250 motors will be here in a few hours.

Yes we have extra top ends/gaskets, we're expecting tear downs :)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: citabjockey on May 15, 2013, 10:17:12 PM
About 24 hours after the rules change to allow them.  I would think...


When do you get your 380 motors for them?
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: motoxr377 on May 17, 2013, 12:12:58 AM
Awesome bikes. Im looking forward to seeing them in Tennessee.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Coop on May 17, 2013, 01:21:32 AM
Looking great!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 21, 2013, 03:49:42 PM
Mike Sottile's bike ready for Bristol

Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 21, 2013, 04:56:58 PM














Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: eprovenzano on May 21, 2013, 05:02:33 PM
STOP IT CHARLES!!!!  I've already ruined one keyboard from drooling over the triplets....   ;D
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: motoman356 on May 21, 2013, 05:20:35 PM
rekluse clutches?? interesting....
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: lauterbacher on May 21, 2013, 05:29:26 PM
Charles have you thought about sponsorship from APT Billet smart carbs on those bikes.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 21, 2013, 05:42:12 PM
Charles have you thought about sponsorship from APT Billet smart carbs on those bikes.

pretty sure at this point its not a matter of getting sponsored by them, but a matter of getting the carbs in hand
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 21, 2013, 06:30:44 PM
Yeah, we would love to have them. They sent one out to us yesterday for testing
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: eprovenzano on May 21, 2013, 08:02:20 PM
STOP IT CHARLES!!!!  I've already ruined one keyboard from drooling over the triplets....   ;D

After I re-read my post, It got me thinking that my statement can be taken in different ways..    :o 8)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Coop on May 21, 2013, 09:28:56 PM
Great work buddy!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Stusmoke on May 22, 2013, 06:48:55 AM
As far as I am concerned, the guys that get to ride these things in the AMA motocross NATIONALS, are the luckiest sons of ****es on the face of the earth. I'd much rather be in their shoes, than any of the top stars. Two strokes have been gone from the AMA circuit for too long, bring the noise!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: TMKIWI on May 22, 2013, 08:13:42 AM
  I've already ruined one keyboard from drooling over the triplets....   ;D

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, triplets.
What sites are you watching. ;D

Bikes look good btw.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: bearorso on May 22, 2013, 09:12:45 AM
Yeah, we would love to have them. They sent one out to us yesterday for testing

Charles, have you shown APT / SmartCarb the extent of your Team efforts?

I can't see how they couldn't sponsor you with product for the 3 bikes - as, from my extensive readings of the various threads on other sites, they are providing carbs to people that have next to no profile. Now, whether or not it's free carbs, or carbs at a significant discount, I don't know - but I do know, a mate of mine, got a significant discount on five SmartCarbs, after I told him of them, and he contacted them. Maybe he's a seriously talented "spinner", and you are much more modest?

If you've approached them, and shown them your efforts, I'm truly disappointed in Corey and his company, if they have not given you product backing. You're not requesting funds as well, to run items on your bikes? Sorry if that's insulting you, by the way.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 23, 2013, 04:52:11 AM
We have been in contact with them for a while, there is a waiting list for testing.
Ours shipped on the 22nd, we will be testing it as soon as it arrives.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: citabjockey on May 23, 2013, 05:00:10 AM
The bikes are looking quite impressive and capable.

Have you run into any issues with the builds?

How soon till your riders get some saddle time?

Watching with Keen Interest!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 23, 2013, 05:30:30 AM
We went and picked up the hauler from Powersport Grafx today, the 1/2 wrap turned out great!






No issues with the builds, the KTM's have been a pleasure to work on. From a mechanics view they are amazing machines.

They are all ready, we will be at WP USA testing next week until Muddy Creek.

Sottile is currently at SOB, Robby is heading back after the race this weekend. I do know the guys should have more time on the bikes, but it was out of my control.
We're just starting out, if this was just a one race deal like Daytona it would be worse. After Muddy Creek we will keep testing until our last round at Unadilla. Then we put our plans together for next year, which is already looking great. :)
We have awesome track side support at most of the rounds from several sponsors. June will be the craziest month of my life, but I can't wait!


Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Coop on May 23, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
Nice!

My arm will still be in a sling but I'm going try to make it to Mount Morris. Not sure I can swing a pitt pass (wife is coming so everything doubled for me haha) but I'll be there with my old original TSM shirt on you gave me lol.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: eprovenzano on May 23, 2013, 01:09:07 PM
June will be the craziest month of my life, but I can't wait!

It will also be one of the most memorable months...  I can guarantee you one thing...  The team will be cheered at every event...  Win, lose or draw, everyone is really excited to hear a two stroke getting is neck wrung...  Even my 4 stroke friends are excited to see and hear the smoker on the pro level again.

Remember Charles, take it one step at a time, and keep building off the previous step.... 
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: eprovenzano on May 23, 2013, 01:11:03 PM
Nice!

My arm will still be in a sling but I'm going try to make it to Mount Morris. Not sure I can swing a pitt pass (wife is coming so everything doubled for me haha) but I'll be there with my old original TSM shirt on you gave me lol.

Coop I too plan to attend...  We will have to meet up some where...  I assume you will be easy to spot... You will be the one in the TSM shirt partially covered with a arm sling...   8)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Coop on May 23, 2013, 06:12:56 PM
Coop I too plan to attend...  We will have to meet up some where...  I assume you will be easy to spot... You will be the one in the TSM shirt partially covered with a arm sling...   8)

LOL yep. I'll pm you and Charles my number.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 23, 2013, 06:38:03 PM
Hellooo




Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Coop on May 23, 2013, 07:45:44 PM
Smartcarb, nice!
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: citabjockey on May 23, 2013, 10:19:06 PM
Coop - arm in a sling and wearing the TSM colors? Maybe not the best messaging there....   ;D


Nice!

My arm will still be in a sling but I'm going try to make it to Mount Morris. Not sure I can swing a pitt pass (wife is coming so everything doubled for me haha) but I'll be there with my old original TSM shirt on you gave me lol.

Coop I too plan to attend...  We will have to meet up some where...  I assume you will be easy to spot... You will be the one in the TSM shirt partially covered with a arm sling...   8)
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Coop on May 24, 2013, 01:16:33 AM
Coop - arm in a sling and wearing the TSM colors? Maybe not the best messaging there....   ;D

I'll just tell people I tried to jump a triple on a 4 stroke and came up short so I am switching to 2 strokes when I heal  :D .
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: josh.mcbride.754 on May 24, 2013, 08:51:31 PM
So interested in those carbs. Can't wait to hear about them. And for the suspension. Did you guys do the sxs internal upgrade or the 50mm a kit stuff that's nearly impossible to find? Debating on suspension for my 250. Really interested in your setup.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Shawn36 on May 25, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 25, 2013, 02:27:40 PM
Yeah, we tried to register Ryan several times. He never renewed his license or sent in his waivers. He said he's not ready for Muddy Creek.
That being said, we will have only Marshall and Sottile in for TN.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: _X_ on May 25, 2013, 03:14:04 PM
those two will be hungry! come on ryan get it together son.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: citabjockey on May 25, 2013, 03:58:13 PM
Give Courtney a free ride on Ryan's bike!

Yeah, we tried to register Ryan several times. He never renewed his license or sent in his waivers. He said he's not ready for Muddy Creek.
That being said, we will have only Marshall and Sottile in for TN.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: Charles Owens on May 25, 2013, 04:08:56 PM
I tried, she's locked in with Yamaha till LL's
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: josh.mcbride.754 on May 25, 2013, 04:59:16 PM
I'll fly in. :P haa jk hope you guys have a good time next weekend.
Title: 2013 TSM Outdoors Thread
Post by: coblefutch on May 29, 2013, 09:28:33 PM
Just saw on mxa that Tyler Bowers is looking for a ride outdoors.