Post by: factoryX on November 23, 2012, 04:26:10 AM
Update: Vitalmx was wrong, he is in ICU but the injuries are extreme.
Update: Responding to simple commands moving his eyes up, down, left, right, and eyebrows. Major step from being pronounced brain dead, hope he pulls it off. Was wearing leatt brace and shoei helmet.
Post by: factoryX on November 23, 2012, 04:26:48 AM
Post by: factoryX on November 23, 2012, 04:36:57 AM
Post by: citabjockey on November 23, 2012, 05:34:55 AM
Post by: TMKIWI on November 23, 2012, 06:13:28 AM
Post by: shanes on November 23, 2012, 07:02:57 AM
Post by: TotalNZ on November 23, 2012, 07:41:14 AM
Condolences to Jantz's family, what a horrible tragedy.
You can't blame the AMA or anyone else for something like this, MX is a dangerous sport and kids will always go for the skyshot young guys like that live for it.
Jump size also has very litttle to do with it i think, a young guy died on our local club track couple years ago. He was very good rider and it was only a little jump.
Post by: factoryX on November 23, 2012, 08:35:17 AM
Post by: _X_ on November 23, 2012, 01:37:14 PM
Post by: citabjockey on November 23, 2012, 02:54:59 PM
What a shitty title to this thread.
Condolences to Jantz's family, what a horrible tragedy.
You can't blame the AMA or anyone else for something like this, MX is a dangerous sport and kids will always go for the skyshot young guys like that live for it.
Jump size also has very litttle to do with it i think, a young guy died on our local club track couple years ago. He was very good rider and it was only a little jump.
Post by: ford832 on November 23, 2012, 04:04:49 PM
I always wanted my daughter to ride with me and had rebuilt a jr50 for her by the time she was a year old.She enjoyed it but the first time she went over the bars I almost dropped one in my pants.It never fazed her other than being gimpy for a few days but over time she became less into riding and more into competitive dance,cross country and is now eyeing triathalons.
Motorcycling has,for the most part,gone by the wayside for her and I couldn't be happier about it.
My condolences to his family and friends.Terrible news.
Update-cross your fingers,send good thoughts or pray if that's your thing.
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Jantz-Has-Brain-Activity,1246915
Post by: factoryX on November 24, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
Post by: shanes on November 24, 2012, 11:44:48 AM
Post by: factoryX on November 24, 2012, 11:56:48 AM
Post by: ford832 on November 24, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
Post by: factoryX on November 24, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
Post by: beaner on November 25, 2012, 02:10:21 PM
Again in ways yes, blaming the sport is wrong. Allowing or making a sport to get this unsafe is also wrong. Xgames style jumps have no place in racing.
It's sad what happened, but as long as people put up with these tracks, it's going to happen more.
I've been saying it for years, supercross is what destroyed motocross. Too many tracks are nothing more than a bunch of jumps in flat fields, and most of the good natural tracks have been ruined by the addition of jumps just for the sake of a show. Aside from the fact that I find most of them terribly boring, I will not ride them for my own safety.
My club has events at two such tracks. Every year a handful of people get badly hurt racing there. Last season, I finally went to the club president and complained loudly about it. I hear now that they're not returning there next season. More people get (more badly) hurt in one event at one of those tracks than all six rounds at our very high speed natural terrain club track. This is something I've been tracking for the last five years.
Post by: SachsGS on November 25, 2012, 03:49:20 PM
Post by: factoryX on November 25, 2012, 04:17:20 PM
Post by: _X_ on November 25, 2012, 10:13:56 PM
Post by: TotalNZ on November 27, 2012, 02:31:27 AM
The fact is most fast kids like Jantz love getting big air, and considering how few deaths there are in MX i think the unsafe track argument is a crock of shit. Bikes now are amazing feats of engineering that can flat land from incredible heights.
Bottom line is motorsports are dangerous and if you don't wanna do jumps go race offroad or VMX.
In my opinion people complaining and forcing jumps to be made smaller are ruining the sport. MX is jumps and berms i reckon, and with the progression of bike tech then bigger jumps are inevitable, and welcomed by me and alot of other racers i know.
Yes this is a tragedy and yes if we all raced around in a flat field then there would probably be less injuries but it would be boring as hell and i wouldn't race anymore, i'd have to go become a freestyle poser lol
Just my opinion of course.
Post by: shanes on November 27, 2012, 02:51:37 AM
Doing big jumps is a blast and the main reason i ride/race motocross and not just xcountry like most my age.
The fact is most fast kids like Jantz love getting big air, and considering how few deaths there are in MX i think the unsafe track argument is a crock of shit. Bikes now are amazing feats of engineering that can flat land from incredible heights.
Bottom line is motorsports are dangerous and if you don't wanna do jumps go race offroad or VMX.
In my opinion people complaining and forcing jumps to be made smaller are ruining the sport. MX is jumps and berms i reckon, and with the progression of bike tech then bigger jumps are inevitable, and welcomed by me and alot of other racers i know.
Yes this is a tragedy and yes if we all raced around in a flat field then there would probably be less injuries but it would be boring as hell and i wouldn't race anymore, i'd have to go become a freestyle poser lol
Just my opinion of course.
+1 you said it perfectly , i am retired from racing as 43 now , but unless there are real jumps on the track i wont bother going . The bikes today are so good compared to when i started racing as a kid , if you come up a foot short back then you where over the bars ,today the bike just soaks it up and you keep going, they are built for it .
Post by: SachsGS on November 27, 2012, 03:45:47 PM
Post by: beaner on November 27, 2012, 04:04:53 PM
MX is jumps and berms i reckon,
No, that's supercross. I find it boring and dangerous. MX is natural, fast and technical.
Post by: citabjockey on November 27, 2012, 05:46:35 PM
1) no one way trails (with enforcement)
2) lots more folks play ride and to x-country than ride MX
maybe?
More people in my area are severely injured and lose their lives riding cross country than in motocross, trees and head ons being the main culprits.
Post by: Coop on November 29, 2012, 09:37:23 PM
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Post by: factoryX on November 30, 2012, 02:56:33 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on November 30, 2012, 04:34:44 AM
I'm afraid he has passed.
Thats very sad for everyone then.
And how about the rest of you quit arguing over whether tracks are more dangerous or not eh? I'd like to discuss it, but this thread isn't the place for it.
Post by: beaner on November 30, 2012, 11:59:35 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on November 30, 2012, 01:18:17 PM