Post by: gpnewhouse7 on November 03, 2012, 09:32:39 PM
Post by: cnrcpla on November 04, 2012, 12:10:59 AM
Post by: msmola2002 on November 04, 2012, 03:04:40 AM
I had receipts from the previous owner for my E30 323i for close to 20k AUD, and I managed to
Same with my 02, probably between 5-10k went into that nugget.
trust me - bikes are waaaaaaaaaaay cheaper.
Post by: Super Trucker on November 04, 2012, 05:15:27 PM
Post by: citabjockey on November 04, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on November 04, 2012, 08:52:29 PM
My idea with the price was that if it only had a low initial cost I could sort out the inevitable bodywork issues and fix the cheaper things now and then buy upgrades bit by bit as the money comes in and then in a couple of years I could sell my current car put the money from that into finishing the project car and then have a pretty badass second car.
Post by: dogger315 on November 04, 2012, 09:20:58 PM
935 Kremer K3 restoration.
The car was a write off after a crash at the 24 hours of Daytona,
I bought what was left of it a few years ago. The drivetrain was
removed so I had to start from scratch with the engine and
transmission.
I found a shop in Europe that specializes in this kind of work and
they built me a new engine using a combination of OE, aftermarket
and reproduction parts. Spezial Motorer will build anybody one of
these little monsters, all you have to do is take out a second
mortgage on your house to pay for it
The engine is a 3.2L 935/80 with some "upgrades" and produces a
little over 950 bhp at a turbo boost setting of 1.6 bar. Normal "race"
boost is 1.4 bar, which would yield around 800 bhp.
Due to parts availability and cost, I expect this project to take
2-3 years to complete. msmola2002 is right about bikes being
cheaper. The mechanical injector pump for this engine cost more
than my CR500.
Here's a video of the power certification dyno run done on an
identical engine. The guy in the video is named Micke, he owns
the shop that does the work and is one of the best IMO. All
the crap surrounding the engine is there to feed the intercoolers
and provide paths for intake and exhaust. The engine is much
more compact in the car. I've attached a picture of just the
engine below the dyno video.
Admittedly, this is not the budget project gpnewhouse7 had
in mind. Come to think of it, I can't think of a way any car
can be restored to anything above demolition derby quality
for less than a bike.
dogger
Post by: msambuco on November 05, 2012, 12:25:53 AM
Post by: _X_ on November 05, 2012, 12:37:15 AM
Post by: monsteryz125 on November 05, 2012, 04:27:33 AM
Post by: msmola2002 on November 05, 2012, 04:46:04 AM
Couple pics from the indy museum - only one I've seen in the flesh
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on November 05, 2012, 07:10:24 AM
I am looking for a 68 Firebird 400 4 speed myself. Need a non collector car cause I want to drive it. I have a pair of 1968 1/2 Ram Air 400 heads so that's why it needs to be a 400. As for the OP why not an RX-7. Close to being at 2T.
I haven't had any experience with rotary engines at all though, how are they to work on in comparison to a normal fourstroke car engine?
Ive got an 80 T/A and a 79 firebird, (same bodys as a bandit car) id suggest a 301 auto 79-81 firebird, i dont know where you're at but around here a 301 auto car isnt really pricey, maybe 2-3k tops for a decent body if you're patient
I live in the UK so like I said American muscle cars are out of the picture, if did want one it would have to be imported. Besides do they not have really bad handling? All the roads around here are tight twisty country lanes.
Post by: TMKIWI on November 05, 2012, 08:26:00 AM
wow dogger that is some car. 
Is it an original Kremer ?
Myself I am looking for a VF Valiant pacer. Couple around for sale. Might be a preesy from santa.
Post by: SachsGS on November 05, 2012, 03:44:29 PM
Post by: dogger315 on November 05, 2012, 05:19:01 PM
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Nice vw doggerYeh, it's one of your faster beetles.
Cool pictures of the Whittington Brother's car. I'm more used to seeing the "93" car they fielded along
with little brother Dale:
A little K3 trivia for you. If you look closely, see the body panel in the back that fills the gap between
the rear bumperettes? That panel was removabale and many teams didn't run them because they would
get torched and melt during a race:
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Is it an original KremerThe car was/is a 1980 factory 935 (chassis number 00024) that was converted to a K3 later that same
year. The Kremer brothers either bought 935s from Porsche, converted them and sold them, or teams
bought their own 935s and took them to Kremer Racing for conversion. Or, you could buy a complete
conversion kit from Kremer and do the work yourself. There were several versions of the 935. The
factory cars, Joest, JLP, Kremer along with the odd one off. Porsche lost interest in group 4 and 5 racing
around '79 and turned their attention to the ill fated Indy car engine. They kept making customer 935s,
but the long tail "Moby ****" car was the last factory backed 935. The Kremers are the best known
because they were the most dominate.
This car was damaged extensively in the crash - all four wheels were ripped off and all four corners were
demolished. The central body tub, interior, fuel system, fire suppresion system and air jacks are still
intact and in good shape. The restoration is very slow going mostly due to cost. The good news is there
is a lot of interest in vintage and historic race cars, so most parts are available. The next item I need is
the transmission. It's a model specific four speed that is mounted upside down to optimize the halfshaft
angles. I found a company that restores and sells them.
The plan is to "drift" from two to four wheel racing. I'm not getting any younger and MX is notoriously
hard on the body. Since this car has a "pedigree", it's eligible for the many Historic race events that are
held each year. I'd like to race some of those and whatever vintage class it falls in to. I have already
completed a couple of "how to drive a race car" schools and I plan to put something together to compete
with and develop the necessary skills, until this car is done.
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Love the sound of those Porsche boxer sixes.Me too, especially when that sound pins you to your seat.
dogger
Post by: Stusmoke on November 08, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
Post by: msmola2002 on November 08, 2012, 11:25:30 PM
Also at the equiv of 10USD a gallon for fuel/3AUD/L, best not.
Old RX7 or something, maybe an MX5, or perhaps as you suggested a nissan saliva. But if your budget is only 300 quid, anything you find will probably be a shed and cost you a bomb.
Also, turbo - add 50% to whatever it will cost you for something NA. My dad has a 1971 BMW 2000 touring, PO fitted it with garrett T28 from an S14A silvia, and a haltech E6A, RX7 brakes, forged pistons, custom exhaust, Konis all round. Makes about 265hp. That thing cost a bomb when I blew it up at Eastern Creek raceway.
Not to mention the pile of receipts for 35k from the guy who built it.
I still say hold out for a bike. Considered a nice RGV/old GSXR/CBR?
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on November 08, 2012, 11:48:03 PM
Post by: _X_ on November 09, 2012, 12:05:32 AM
Post by: ford832 on November 09, 2012, 02:45:23 AM
That view and sounds makes me want one of my RZ's back.
Post by: _X_ on November 09, 2012, 03:54:02 AM
Post by: TMKIWI on November 09, 2012, 05:37:30 AM
As msmola said you could try to find an early gsxr. They are starting to get expensive but now is a good time.
I had 1 in 88', I do want another.
Post by: msmola2002 on November 09, 2012, 06:19:40 AM
http://www.suzukicycles.org/RGV-series/RGV250-Gamma.shtml
I miss mine!
Post by: Stusmoke on November 09, 2012, 08:13:00 AM
Forget cars,how about one of these......
That view and sounds makes me want one of my RZ's back.
The WOT straight at about 7:30... It was like ear sex.
That sounded even better than my 125. 12 thousand is getting up there but WOW what a magic old bike. it wirs, then wirs, then just sings like marry poppins. WOW
Post by: dogger315 on November 09, 2012, 04:04:08 PM
from back in the day. By the time I was old enough, four strokes were all that were
available. Here's a picture of my "Gixxer" 750 along with the Toyota truck muffler
that came stock on it. It's an 86 with the oil cooled engine and 12500 rpm redline.
I think any decent superbike would make a great project and some of them can be
had for next to nothing. May be your best bet.
dogger
Post by: ford832 on November 09, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
I also liked my interceptor in some ways but any of you carb lovers would change your tune if you ever had to rebuild a V4 setup.
Mine was candy apple red metallic and looked much like this except with stock graphics and a Hindle 4-1.
Post by: TMKIWI on November 10, 2012, 02:34:15 AM
And I liked the simplicity of the oil cooled motor.
I think they are still the lightest superbike made.?
Post by: dogger315 on November 10, 2012, 05:13:33 PM
to race each other all the time. He always ate me alive coming out of a corner because of all the
torque that "V" put down and it would take me till the end of the short straights to catch up with
him. Then I would use the "Zook's" brakes and handling to pass him back and then it would start
all over again - great racing!
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They were good handling bikes Dogger.
And I liked the simplicity of the oil cooled motor.
I think they are still the lightest superbike made.
380 pounds dry, if I remember correctly. The problem with the bike as a daily driver was it was a race
bike adapted for the street. The oil cooled engine vented all that heat up into the rider's compartment
and the seating position was very hard on the forearms as you crawled along from stoplight to stoplight.
Once you got out on a nice stretch of open road with some twisties, everything changed. At speeds
above 120, the wind force neutralized the heeled over feeling on your body and forearms and the heat
disappeared. That's when the bike was a hoot to ride, and that's what it was made for.
dogger
Post by: TMKIWI on November 11, 2012, 04:47:59 AM
The problem with the bike as a daily driver was it was a race
bike adapted for the street.
dogger
Yep.
At least with the 1100 you could twist your right wrist and that would take the weight of your forearms around town.
For a few seconds anyway, then you had to hit the picks again.Even sitting still it felt like you were hugging this large fuel tank and your knees were stuck under your arm pits.
Got sick of going through rear tyres as well (Michelin Hi-Sports).
Great fun when you are 18.
Post by: ford832 on November 11, 2012, 05:26:13 PM
Funny you brought up the Interceptor, Ford. A good friend of mine had one of those and we used
to race each other all the time. He always ate me alive coming out of a corner because of all the
torque that "V" put down and it would take me till the end of the short straights to catch up with
him. Then I would use the "Zook's" brakes and handling to pass him back and then it would start
all over again - great racing!
dogger
It was a pretty good bike.I sold my last RZ and bought that as I wanted to do some sport touring and it worked very well in that capacity as it had a massive tank(little top heavy) and was reasonably comfortable with a more or less upright body position.
I used to race a guy on a GPZ 900 almost every day on the way to work for a few months.I have no idea who he was but came up behind him one day and went by.After that,he'd sit at the end of his road until he saw me crest the hill,then he'd pull out.
We'd back and forth in amongst the traffic for about 10k until I turned into work.I never did meet him but I had a blast and it made my morning every day.Looking back now,with all the cars and all,it was pretty damn stupid but when you're barely 20,well...
It was an aerodynamic sow as well.The windscreen was solely for looks as the turbulence that came off it at higher speeds was incredible-it didn't matter where you put your head.The most I ever had it going was 220 kph passing a Ninja 750 on the highway and though it had more in it,my head was bouncing around so much I could hardly see the road.Good times.....
Post by: shanes on November 11, 2012, 10:03:40 PM
There was a TZ350 for sale recently ford that was not going and the start bid was 15k. It was passed in.
They where nice but i loved the TZ 250 i had 3 of them this was the last one TZ 250 A model , i wish i had kept it and put it away in storage , as i brought it new when it was released
Post by: motoxr377 on November 28, 2012, 01:35:04 AM
This is my father's '86 GSX-R750R Limited Edition. It is like new, and a rare variant. He has the side paneling removed for this photo. It came stock with 1100 suspension (w/anti-dive), wheels, brakes, remote reservoir shock, magnesium covers, solo seat, bigger carbs, and a Yoshimura dry clutch normally found exclusively in their race catalog (the plates are all discontinued). My dad bought the last set of NOS factory bodywork (to include tank) some time in the late '90s for it. It's been in the family for a minute. He has a big attachment to them as he was a factory wrench for Suzuki's superbike effort at the time.
He used to have a Gamma here in the states - he (and I, repeatedly) kick him for getting rid of it.
Someday I'll inherit it, but for now I have a '77 RD400
Post by: citabjockey on November 28, 2012, 05:24:52 AM
Take a datsun 240Z and stick a SkiDoo ETec 800 in it.
Post by: factoryX on November 28, 2012, 05:16:32 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on November 29, 2012, 12:41:57 AM
My dream car project?
Take a datsun 240Z and stick a SkiDoo ETec 800 in it.
Sod the datsun, take a 250sx, miata mx-5 (Which has been done) or something. Hehehe a ford laser would be sweet. Thats a sleeper car right there. Stall it at the lights and you gotta get out and pullstart it.
Post by: ford832 on November 29, 2012, 12:51:52 AM
Sweet Gixxer and TZ though.The RD series are a cool bike as well.They can be modified to death and become much more than were stock.
Post by: citabjockey on November 29, 2012, 01:41:14 AM
Besides, the datsun engine and tranny would go bye bye anyway!
So that little car with a 160HP, 100 lb engine. LOL And keep the belt drive!
Anything Nissan/Datsun should be attached to an anchor chain and used accordingly.
Sweet Gixxer and TZ though.The RD series are a cool bike as well.They can be modified to death and become much more than were stock.
Post by: Stusmoke on November 29, 2012, 02:39:41 AM
There is method to my madness. I need a car old enough to be skipped by the smog check gods. Miata is too new. Yet I would want something metric (no way I would want to mate a eTec to a Triumph), somewhat reliable (there goes Porsche) and REALLY be a sleeper. Bingo, 240Z
Besides, the datsun engine and tranny would go bye bye anyway!
So that little car with a 160HP, 100 lb engine. LOL And keep the belt drive!Anything Nissan/Datsun should be attached to an anchor chain and used accordingly.
Sweet Gixxer and TZ though.The RD series are a cool bike as well.They can be modified to death and become much more than were stock.
Seriously? 100 pounds? Thats a little under or over 50 kilos. Thats crazy light. Wouldn't you rather get a body that was lighter than a 240z? I think a lotus elise would be pretty damn sweet.
Post by: motoxr377 on November 29, 2012, 03:05:53 AM
Post by: citabjockey on November 29, 2012, 05:48:13 AM
There is method to my madness. I need a car old enough to be skipped by the smog check gods. Miata is too new. Yet I would want something metric (no way I would want to mate a eTec to a Triumph), somewhat reliable (there goes Porsche) and REALLY be a sleeper. Bingo, 240Z
Besides, the datsun engine and tranny would go bye bye anyway!
So that little car with a 160HP, 100 lb engine. LOL And keep the belt drive!Anything Nissan/Datsun should be attached to an anchor chain and used accordingly.
Sweet Gixxer and TZ though.The RD series are a cool bike as well.They can be modified to death and become much more than were stock.
Seriously? 100 pounds? Thats a little under or over 50 kilos. Thats crazy light. Wouldn't you rather get a body that was lighter than a 240z? I think a lotus elise would be pretty damn sweet.
Post by: ford832 on November 29, 2012, 11:40:31 PM
Someday I'll finish that RD!
Here's a pretty nice one.
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=rd400%20modified%20road%20race%20bike&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CGQQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.2strokeworld.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D15125.0&ei=2ES5UKhdodjLAe2igMAM&usg=AFQjCNETk9D1wc7LtV_2r0bAiEO3go8k9w
Post by: motoxr377 on November 30, 2012, 01:09:43 AM
Post by: TMKIWI on November 30, 2012, 05:34:35 AM
Always thought 1 of these with a N/A RB26 fitted would be a cool car.
Have always had a soft spot for the 240z.
Post by: citabjockey on November 30, 2012, 06:08:18 AM
Imagine a couple of turbine core silencer tips emerging from just under the right door of that Z!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/skidoo-800-etec-engine-complete-/170951738597?pt=Snowmobile_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27cd8484e5&vxp=mtr
Always thought 1 of these with a N/A RB26 fitted would be a cool car.
Have always had a soft spot for the 240z.
Post by: ford832 on November 30, 2012, 01:33:10 PM
Here's my '77 RD400D, in my father's garage up in NY. I have limited space (and time) down in GA, so he tinkers on it from time to time for me. TZ350 Tank, TZ750 Tail, DG Head, DG RD400F swingarm, RZ350 wheels, brakes, and front end. Custom rearsets, and an early Spec II exhaust. Nevermind the old KYB T-bones, they're just place holders.
Sweeeeeeeeetttttt.Spec II's are the next best thing to a set of Toomey's.You'll have an amazing unique bike when it's finished.
Post by: motoxr377 on December 01, 2012, 12:35:12 AM
Post by: msmola2002 on December 01, 2012, 01:49:35 AM