Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: JohnN on February 01, 2010, 06:29:00 AM
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I'll be posting parts of this on the main page, but figured that I would give you forum readers a quick preview.
Iâ??ve talked to some former riders, and even some current ones, and the one thing theyâ??ve told me that makes sense to me is that opening up the turns a bit would help with passing.
Opening them up in what way?
For example, taking out the last jump going into the turn, so that riders can land and get on the gas and pick a line. If the guy in front of them is going wide, they can go inside, or if the guy in front is going inside, they can go wide and square them up.
So actually move the turns farther away from the last obstacle.
Right. So is that something you guys have explored in your track designs?
Weâ??ve increased jump distances already. In the two-stroke days, the first obstacle was generally only 10 feet in or out of the corner. Weâ??ve increased that in most cases to 16. What we were looking for was the opposite, because there was a time with two-strokes that there was an inside line a lot where the people didnâ??t use the berm, but four-strokes donâ??t like that at all, so weâ??ve kind of given up on that. But I will agree with you with coming into the corners. I donâ??t think it hurts anything to take out that last jump, and it probably would add to the racing if you could move the turn farther off the last obstacle. Coming out of the turn, though, thereâ??s a point where you sacrifice rhythm by moving the turn out from the jumps. The more run you give them at the first obstacle, the more likely they are to all do the same thing. Theyâ??ll all be able to triple. I would hesitate to change that. But it makes sense and I think it would be something worth trying coming into the turns, but probably not coming out of them.
I think you may be right coming out of the turns, because the other problem is that if youâ??re seat-bouncing the first obstacle, if you had more of a run, you may be hitting it faster and standing up, which would change your trajectory and could actually make the rhythm section more dangerous, too.
Look at a section like that little section right before the finish line at A1. The 450s were all pretty much capable of tripling onto that table-top and stepping off, but even then, they had to get it just right. But for the 250s, that was actually a really cool section, because it was about 50/50. That was working exactly as it should, and if weâ??d have given them even six more feet, every one of them wouldâ??ve been able to triple onto that tabletop, and it wouldâ??ve taken that second option away completely. But going in, itâ??s definitely worth trying, and coming out, Iâ??ve got to look at it a little harder.
http://www.racerxonline.com/article/between-the-motos-rich-winkler-1-27-10.aspx (http://www.racerxonline.com/article/between-the-motos-rich-winkler-1-27-10.aspx)
Interesting how they've had to change the tracks to suit the four-strokes!!
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If they bring back the 2t they wouldn't have these problems. :D
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Yeah they would. The AMA wants another "super star" like McGrath. They changed the tracks for ricky as well. Just look at a track from the mid 90's then one from the mid 00's. The track from the 90's could be ran in either direction (the landings were the same as the take off's). In the 00's timing was not as much as a factor as was marbles enough to twist the throttle. I am not trying to take away from RC, he is an amazing rider and I don't think anyone would challenge his work ethic, but he is better on a fast less technical track. Just my .02
I wish I worked for a magazine, I would love to interview Kevin Windam or John Dowd and get their take on was has happened and is currently happening to OUR sport. I belive the John Dowd interview would be the more productive, as he is not currently on anyone's payroll.
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Yeah they would. The AMA wants another "super star" like McGrath. They changed the tracks for ricky as well. Just look at a track from the mid 90's then one from the mid 00's. The track from the 90's could be ran in either direction (the landings were the same as the take off's). In the 00's timing was not as much as a factor as was marbles enough to twist the throttle. I am not trying to take away from RC, he is an amazing rider and I don't think anyone would challenge his work ethic, but he is better on a fast less technical track. Just my .02
I wish I worked for a magazine, I would love to interview Kevin Windam or John Dowd and get their take on was has happened and is currently happening to OUR sport. I belive the John Dowd interview would be the more productive, as he is not currently on anyone's payroll.
Kevin was one of the first rider to switch to 4 junk in Supercross .This is maybe why Honda still keeping him after all these years as a tourist on the track. Windham was the man on a 125. Agree with you on Dowd.