Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => Non-Moto => Topic started by: opfermanmotors on March 13, 2011, 10:41:35 PM
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Several of us live in the Pacific Northwest (ACMX, Jetz, Sachs, FactoryX, Watson, Swimr2DaResQ just to name a few).
What do any of you think about having a "TSM Spring Ride" get together? Perhaps one Saturday, likely in April / May when we know will be good weather, and schedule a trail ride in some chosen location (that at least 1 person knows the trails and can be considered a middle point for all involved). We can even take a few pics and vids and maybe even an article on this site.
We could even start a regional annual spring ride, but I can only organize the PNW regional ride.
Any thoughts?
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That would be awesome, I'd like to get that done on the east too. :)
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Great idea. Going to be an interesting choice for riding areas.
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I'm in the middle of house reno's so given my time/money constraints the earliest I might be available would be early May.As well I am still badly busted up so if some of the young guys want to get on the throttle they'll have to wait for me.
As for an area I would recommend the Little Naches west of Yakima - hundreds of miles of trails and in early May the upper areas won't have too much snow.There are also excellent camping spots along the Little Naches river. ;D
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Going slow is no problem and never been to that place but it's fine with me. Before we decide on the place tho we need to get everyone who will go and then agree. Giford Pichot is out that way too and is pretty great from what I hear but haven't been there. TSF is always fine of course, there's capitol forest up north never been there tho, jones creek in wa, but I'd skip that place. And little naches / cle clem, its fine with me.
Let's see who's all interested to reply to this thread and where they would be willing to go. I go out every other weekend, so need to pick a weekend I can go (don't have my daughter) and in May is fine. So sounds like Sachs is in, factoryx? Jetz?
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Most likely, and I am all for May as well. I thought more people on here lived in oregon/washinton?
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Sounds like a good idea, if I can make it. That's going to depend mainly on two things - first I'm going to need to fix up one of the shocks on the Husky (we fixed the other (hopefully) and now we're onto the other). The other thing is going to be my work schedule. At the moment I'm working evenings on the weekends, but it's not unheard-of to get a day off, so if we can have a date relatively early-on, I'll be more likely to make it. I anticipate also having a truck by then, but if not I can probably pile the bike in with someone else, considering we're all fairly local.
On the whole, the idea sounds awesome!
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Great idea. I'm available almost every weekend. The only thing that takes up my weekends are races. I should have my license by then and I have no problem getting anywhere. Besides fuel cost ): But the bike is ready ;D
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Ok Tentative date is Saturday May 14th.
So who all from the NW can go and where do you want to go?
* Diamond Mill (TSF, OR)
* McCubbins (Mt Hood, OR)
* Mt Hood River (Mt Hood, OR)
* China Hat (Bend, OR)
* Nestucca/Trask (McMinniville OR/Tillamook OR)
* Jones Creek (Washougal, Washington)
* Capitoal Forest (Olympia, WA)
* Little Naches (Yakima, WA)
* Gifford Pinchot (Longview, WA)
What type of riding? Wide quad trails or Single Track? I prefer tight, technical single track.
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I'm not really familiar with all the riding areas, but I'm good with anything that's not too far from Portland, maybe 200mi max? As for trails, I prefer somewhat-wide trails, maybe not necessarily something giant and quad style, but wider than the tire of the bike. :P
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hard to say really, china hat(East Fort Rock) is interesting and supposedly one of the better riding areas in oregon, but I barely know the place. Tillamook would be an okay choice, but 4x4 would have destroyed the trails by now.
http://www.atvfan.com/Oregon_ATV_Trails/ (http://www.atvfan.com/Oregon_ATV_Trails/)
Whats required to ride in Washington?
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swimmer2daresq and I are wayyy up on the peninsula
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Washougal then? Damn thats up there.
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I would be down, just have to make sure I can get away from work. I haven't gotten to ride anywhere other than up here on the peninsula and down in Florence, OR on the dunes! I would be down to carpool with Andrew and possibly camp over night, but I really don't want to drive more than 4-5 hours if possible. It is an awesome idea and would surely be a great time even if only a few could make it! Going slow is cool, and those of us that like to go as fast as we can make checkpoints and so forth, (not that I am fast, I'd like to think so, but I'm pretty slow)! :P
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Diamond Mill (TSF) would not be destoryed by 4x4 since you can't 4x4 there and it's mostly single track :)
Little Naches is where Sachs Suggested, that's near Yakima, WA. The furthest south would be Factory in Bend, that's about 4 hours 30 minute drive. The furthest North is Port Angles with ACMX and that's actually also 4 hours 30 minutes drive. So, looks like Little Naches (Yakima, WA) or Gifford Pinchot (Longview, WA) would be the middle ground.
It is possible to camp at Little Naches as Sachs mentioned, perhaps that would cut down travel if camped overnight.
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iffy on little naches(police issues), and Gifford Pinchot looks great, probably the best choice.(only issue is road use?). However, I'm liking diamond mills if where possible. I can't believe I've never ridden there.
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I'm down with that. Carpooling is a good idea, and it splits fuel cost in half for whoever does it.
I've got tents ;D
I doubt my dad would let me take his camper but I may be able to get his bike trailer. I can fit 3 bikes in there for traveling around.. But if it were to store bikes overnight it could fit 4 maybe 5
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Little Naches is 4 hours drive for me also.
Diamond Mill is 4 hours from Bend.
Diamond Mill is 4 1/2 hours from Port Anglese
(I use Gales Creek, OR as the estimate point for Diamond Mill, that's the start of TSF).
There is camping there as well. Seems that for you guys, both of those places are equal distance :) For me, Diamond Mill is less than 1 hour. Where do you guys want to go
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Diamond mills ;D
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I'm cool with Diamond. Looks fun plus you know the area well, and you could show us a lot of good trails. I'll make sure to bring some camera's and get footage and pics.
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Gifford Pinchot will still have a lot of snow on the upper trails in May and the area gets a lot of traffic - many of the trails are rocky and pounded out.I recall one trail where the ruts were so deep you literally had to stick your boots on your handlebars or your legs would get ripped off.
I'm looking at 4+ hours to the border and another 5 to Little Naches or GP (Mt. St. Helens) so any place will involve a lot of driving for me. :D
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So looks like Diamond Mill would be fine then if you are comming from the north as well. Diamond Mill will be clear and no snow in May.
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sounds like a plan
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Alright, May 14th, Diamond Mill
We should have it on the events calendar :)
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Sounds Good! I will plan accordingly. Also, is anyone planning on attending or riding the Desert 100 in Eastern WA in April? Just curious, some of my riding buddies are going. 8)
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Have any of you guys heard of Elk Flats? its pretty good loads of trails.
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Anyone want to sponser a kiwi over for the ride. ;) :P
I'll bring the peanut's.
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Where is Diamond Mill located and are there spark arrestor checks?
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Tillamook, OR. Just below WA.
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Highway 6, TSF Mile marker 20. There are spark arrestor checks all over. in Washington, they check everyone in the parking lot last time I was there. They also started doing heavy spark arrestor checks last year at browns camp.
Diamond Mill is a bit more relaxed though, its not as heavily patroled as say browns camp is now days and actually any time the guys patroling there have even stopped to talk to us in the parking lot at DM, they just BS they never checked spark arrestors. Browns Camp tho, they'll check and they check constantly there these days. A lot of places in washington are heavy on checking for some reason (like Jones Creek, they check everyone).
Rarely run into patrols at DM tho and DM is not many riders b/c of the single track, so usually have the trails to yourself. But, every OHV area has potential for getting checked.
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Yay for TurbineCoreII Silencer :D
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Anyone want to sponser a kiwi over for the ride. ;) :P
I'll bring the peanut's.
;D
As for the spark arrestors, maybe the lack of forest fires is putting them on edge...
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Or maybe the fine for not having a spark arrestor is a new source of revenue, given that the fine is higher than the price of a spark arrestor.
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Ditto, and who are they going to attack? two stroke owners..
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Maicowerk.com 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zhgYWQU9qY#ws)
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For what it's worth, I haven't heard of spark arrestor checks going on at McCubbins for about ten years now, unless you actually camp in the main McCubbins area where all the goon riders blast around for five minutes at a time. If you go back a little bit more and camp at one of the other spots where the trails actually are, you'll never get bothered. At least that's been my experience. And I've been riding there since... probably about the time I was four years old, so I know my way around pretty well. It's about two hours East of Portland. Weather in May is generally pretty good because it's in a rain shadow.
Sounds like Diamond Mill is pretty much decided on, though. I think DM is closer for just about all of us, but if spark arrestors are a big deal for anyone then McCubbins is really chill. Haven't even gotten hassled on the 120, so you could probably go there with a top fuel dragster (with knobby tires) and not catch any heat.
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I would not take the risk of riding without a spark arrestor. As for Mc cubbins, also a great choice as well, however very small. Plus I want to ride some hard pack and not silt bombs ;D
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McCubbins
McCubbins Maicos Husqvarnas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL-BZMkNIq0#ws)
Diamond Mill
Diamond Mill 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oth3nhveIIw#ws)
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I don't get how you figure it's small? There's easily enough trail miles to take up more time than we're going to have, so long as one actually knows where to look. I think a lot of people make the mistake of dropping anchor in the big campground area and then just taking some of the trails that spur off from there, instead of digging a little deeper. If we went there, we'd run out of gas and time quite a bit before running out of terrain.
When I took Opferman there, I made a few mistakes. First, I had us camp quite a ways out, which was out of habit more than anything else, because we also ride desert roads off in the other direction so it's more flexible, but it's not an ideal spot to ride McCubbins from. If we went there, I'd have us camp at one of the spots within walking distance from a trailhead. I also ended up routing us over a lot of gravel roads because I wanted to explore one particular trail that just happened to be on the other side of the planet from where we parked. That resulted in a lot of boring riding and a lot of gas spent "commuting." If we went again, I think I could do a lot better on that angle, keeping us about 95% in the trail network.
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McCubbins is very small, both times I been there seemed pretty small. Seemed like browns camp on Mt. Hood, too many people were there. Also, both times I went, it was extremely dusty as couldn't see anything after the cloud of dust.
Ya, when I went with Jetz we took 30 minutes to get to the trails :)
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It's not very dusty in May, although in July it is quite dusty indeed. I prefer dust over possible mud, myself though. I think technically what I call "McCubbins" also includes the Keeps Mill area, if that has any effect on anything. I'm sure in terms of miles of trails, it's not as big as some of the Tillamook stuff, but it's more than adequate for a day or two riding. As far as it being like Brown's Camp on Mt. Hood, that definitely sounds like the main campground area, which is pretty suck and best to avoid. The rest of it tends to be pretty sparse on riders though, from my experience. On a three-hour ride I will encounter a group of other riders maybe half of the time, unless it's one of those big national three-day-weekend deals, when rider traffic gets downright dangerous.
Going back to the dust thing, this is what the area looks like around the time we'd be going.
Powerline Trail (Pure Edition) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsbRu2-tJTM#ws)
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Dont have a spark arrestor the forest guy came all he looked at was the atv permit i dont think they even really care.
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I remember once a ranger decided to check the 120 for a spark arrestor by poking that little stick into the exhaust. I guess he was expecting it to hit something inside the pipe but of course there was nothing and he almost lost the stick in the pipe. We didn't get in trouble for it, but it was a scary moment. But of course, the 120 doesn't pretend to be normal. :D
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I prefer mud to dust. If it's dusty I'll have to change my air filter :(
Am I gonna have to tape a gas tank to my bike? I've got two one gallon jugs.
And tabs... Do I need up to date tabs? Mine are from 08.
Diamond mills looks super fun and challenging... From the footage it looks like I'll have to keep my 125 on the pipe for some of those hills. Doesn't have quite the bottom end of the 490 ;D
Mcubbins looks more 'Sunday stroll' so it would be fun for just cruisin with friends :)
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Ya, dust sucks, mud is a lot of fun, especially with a Maico
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I think part of the reason I prefer dust to mud, is the externalities. Generally, when it's muddy you can expect lower temperatures, more chance of there being rain in the air, and an overcast sky which makes everything look a bit drab and depressing. When it's dusty, so long as you're not actually in it (which just requires an extra 15 seconds of patience when the other guy takes off) the world is a beautiful place to behold, and one can ride with a t-shirt and not be cold (safe is another matter...) But, during the Spring months, this part of the world doesn't really have the capability to generate dust, even out in the desert.
Which reminds me when the soil is like clay, mud can be scary. This doesn't apply to Tillamook, I'm sure, but out in the desert you get a special kind of mud that builds up on your tires and never comes off, and I've heard stories of bikes with 10" of suspension travel get so much mud build-up on the tires that it rubs the fender constantly, eventually stopping the bike. We call it "Maupin Mud" and it's ridiculous.
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Sounds like a piston muncher ;D
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Gear your bike down abit Andrew.
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Do you ride trails with your bike at all Andrew?
How far can everyone go on gas?
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I can go farther than you, at least. Especially if I use my world-famous Gatorade bottle trick. ;D
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I can go farther than you, at least. Especially if I use my world-famous Gatorade bottle trick.
We never tested that, I know my 83 Maico has a 3.0 gallon tank and I never hit reserve that day. I believe 1 gallon is reserve, just didnt want to chance running out of gas given I didnt have any way to tell the range and knowing we had to drive 30 minutes or so just to get to the trails! With my 1.3 Gallon auxiliary tank the bike did 40 miles without hitting reserve.
My 2004 has a 2.5 gallon tank + 1.3 aux. tank, this setup also did 40 miles without hitting reserve. I believe reserve on this one is only 1/2 gallon.
Of course, with my planned modifications my bikes will definately outrange your bike even with a gatoraid bottle, given you have the small gas tank, it can't be more than 2.5 gallons?
I have a 3.7 gallon clarke gas tank for all of my other bikes (except the 2004) and the tanks while not for Maicos, look like they will fit the 82, 83 and 86. So, those in conjuction with the 1.3 aux tank will give all my bikes (except. 2004) total of 5 gallons of gasoline! I estimate about 25-30 miles for 2 gallons, so I may be able to hit 60 miles or so with 5 gallons total.
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Still, when we did the gas check at the beginning of that powerline trail, you were running about a 1/2 tank or less and I was at more than 2/3 on mine (which is 2.1 gallons). With the bottle I think I've gotten at least 60mi on the 250 with a decent amount remaining, certainly not enough to be worried about it (which is more than can be said for the bigger bikes tagging along). Although of course, that's mostly in 35-65mph roads with a lot of short-shifting. When you go up to 5 gallons, I'll never touch that kind of range.
The only way I see range maybe becoming an issue, is if we get into some hills that are going to require a bit more power, because you'll be able to just sort of idle up where the 250 has about as much low-end as a toaster and so needs to be kept on the pipe a bit more, and that might bring the range down.
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I used to trail ride all the time. On my 125 I've only done a couple outings. Its a 2 gallon tank. If I ride it easy it will go 30 mpg. But I know I wont ride it easy :) I can probably get 40 mi. If I have to, I'll bring a 1 gallon tank and tape it to the front of my bike :)
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Rode Diamond Mill Today
Maico 59 Tooth Sprocket (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt7Kjm0wF9g#ws)
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Awesome riding Toby
How do you like that Maico?
Those trails look pretty crazy/fun!
But I vote we just move those smaller trees out of the way instead of spend 20 minutes getting everyone stuck. :)
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Cool video. Your bark busters are too low though... :D :P
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How do you like that Maico?
Good bike, I mean handling takes a bit to get used to for me every time I ride it. It feels easier to go fast on though once you start getting used to it, that's probably the big difference between that and the older bikes. Whether it's the setup or just the fact that you can trust the brakes. However, technical stuff is less comfortable and more comfortable on the older bikes, so a hill climb or going through hairy stuff, the older bikes are more comfortable. On the older Maicos, especially the 82 that has the smoothest power and gets the most to the ground, I never feel afraid to do anything on it, always comfortable to go anywhere. This bike, its iffy, there's more fear of the unknown for fear you won't be able to get out, if you know what I mean. The 82 has gone with ease tho in places where most bikes fail.
There was a very sloppy hill climb at DM and we started out with like 7 people. I saw this sloppy hill climb and went up it on the 82, didnt even slip tire and was thinking this looks like it would be bad, but was pretty easy. Just idled up. Then I'm sitting up there waiting and no one else is comming up. 2 of the guys were pretty good. One guy took 2 tries to make it (I think he was on KTM 300) and the other took 3 tries (I believe he was on a CRF450) (and they were both spinning thier back tires a good bit, I never slipped once). The thrid guy never made it up (WR400 4t) and the last 2 or 3 guys saw the hill and just left. So as old as that bike is, it's very easy to ride in hairy stuff without requiring any skill or requiring you to get any speed up, you can mostly just idle right up no problem. The 2004 is a bike that requires more speed in those same situtations (engine is more torquier). I took the 2004 Maico to a less hairy climb that the 82 went up no problem and got stuck half way up.
Cool video. Your bark busters are too low though...
They are supposed to be low so you don't break your wrists if you crash :)
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They are supposed to be low so you don't break your wrists if you crash :)
You run them that low and you will be breaking your knuckles on roost (rocks), or low hanging tree branches. At least around here anyway, way too many rocks and trees.
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You run them that low and you will be breaking your knuckles on roost (rocks), or low hanging tree branches. At least around here anyway, way too many rocks and trees.
They been good so far, funny thing is some of my other bikes have them higher, then I get the comment they should be lower so you dont break your wrist. Can never win I guess! mostly they reflect from hitting trees and at that angle they will still work out. if the branches are that low, they still hit your hands even if they're higher.
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I just use handgaurds :D
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Oh man, I want to come so bad, but I think I have a race that weekend. :D
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Diamond Mill - No Escape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAXUqhDMOGU#ws)
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going to have to get some practice in before this. ;D
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Jetz is real excited about that trail, said he hopes its muddier when he goes there
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With trails like that, who needs areas of forest with no trails at all? Just get on the highway on your way to the beach, pull over on the side of the road at some random location in the Coast Range, and start riding through the woods. I think your rate of progress and the style of riding involved would be very similar.
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Haha. Should be a blast ;D
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Trying to get a ride together at DM for Sunday if anyone is interested.
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I'd love to but I haven't gotten a replacement sprocket yet :(
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Diamond Mill Winter Break (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQXAEnI_I9U#ws)
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Those videos get me pumped for this every time. Hey Toby with your riding style how long does your top end last?
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These big bores the top ends can last forever if you want them to, they are low revving engines even if you're screaming them. Don't know yet how long these last, but my KTM 495 for example had original bore when I got it. All my bikes are like 30 years old for the most part and most of them were either stock or 1st over. I know the smaller the bike the less lasting they are, I think my TS250 lasted maybe 2 years before needing replaced.
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has anyone figured in gas prices of this trip :-X? $3.90 a gallon for crap gas, and $4.20 for ethanol premium?
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I'm hoping I dont have to take my truck that gets 16 mpg haha.
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So what's the plan, are you guys camping the weekend at DM?
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if everything goes to plan, that was my intention. Anyone else?
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Probably have to contact them and see how to pay and where you can be. I know ppl have camped in the main OHV staging area and not in the non-OHV area (day use). Looks like $3.00 per vechile.
http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/tillamookstateforest/diamondmill.shtml (http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/tillamookstateforest/diamondmill.shtml)
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I'm close enough, I think I could probably get away without camping, but I know not everyone has that luxury.
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Should we vote on what bike I should bring?
2004 Maico 500
1983 Maico 490
1982 Maico 490
1986 Maico 500 (Provided it's ready by then, may not be done)
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I say the 500 and a 490.
I really hope I can make it up, gas prices are freaking ridiculous.
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04 500 and 82 490 ;D
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Snow is almost gone up there
Diamond Mill - Return To Single Track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yonv83MD28#ws)
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Looks fun! I'm out of gopro mounts so I'll probably duc tape it to my bike somewhere haha. (using the strap of course). I'm gonna bring a few sets of batteries so hopefully we can get some life out of it.
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Who's confirmed for May 14?
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Its iffy for me.
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I need to rebuild my linkage... I might not make it by the 14th.
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We can move it to May 28th or June 11th?
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I can do either as long as those are weekends.
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that might be better, as my dad possibly wanted to go but couldn't get the day off. We also might go pick up my uncles 1979 Elsinore cr250, and fix it up for him or my dad for this ride.
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I will not be able to make it this time, Work is really messin with my schedule and My Brother is getting married at the end of May.
I should have lots of weekends throughout the summer to ride. I hope you guys can make it happen and have a blast! 8)
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So, who votes for May 28th or 29th and who votes for June 11 or June 12?
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I can't vote. Suspension is still broken :( But I am still interested.
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We can do July 9th?
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Possible!!!
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My bike is fixed. It's summer now so I can do week days too. As long as I know 1.5 weeks in advance I can request it off of work :) Want to carpool, Chad?
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We can def carpool!!! my truck is a single cab, but we can load it up for a quick weekend trip.
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If I get my tabs renewed we can take mine. They expire sometime next month. Half cab Mazda 4x4 (ford ranger)... Mine gets 16 mpg in city and 20 hwy. What does yours get?
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Toyota pickup, 18-20 city and 22-24 highway. prob a little less with bikes and gear!
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Everyone on for Saturday or do you want to push it to mid August (going on vacation so won't be back till then).
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Well summer came around and my workplace decided I need 35 hour weeks. I only get two days off a week and they usually aren't the weekend. Idk if I'll be able to make it :(
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We can push it to August, I can set a date in August and we can try to get together then. Who all is able to go in August?
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I'll be able to if its pushed to august because I can request the day off of work.
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You guys need to change the title from Spring to Summer (maybe winter if you keep changing the date :D ).
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Somehow the TSM spring ride seems to be tied to the new Maico release.I bet it's Opfermanmotors' fault. ;D ;)
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It's like getting 10 women to agree on the same thing. :P :-X
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;D