Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: 2smoker on March 09, 2011, 10:39:56 PM
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http://motocross.transworld.net/1000108907/news/monster-energy-tv-checking-in-with-nate-adams/ (http://motocross.transworld.net/1000108907/news/monster-energy-tv-checking-in-with-nate-adams/)
Never tried a KTM 300 Nate?
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Eh...
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money talks.......
here's another one, but i'll give it up to this dude 2t or 4t this is just plain bad a--
Mark Monea Lands First Ever 360 Front Flip! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmNrngxV_aw#ws)
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after watching nate's video I noticed his whips got worse...
And that 360 frontflip was freakin insane.
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"after watching nate's video I noticed his whips got worse..."
agreed
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Meh...
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that four stroke will be the death of him.
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cant wait till one of those locks up and they case a 120 footer that should teach em
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He mentions that the power helps him bring a whip back... Just wait till it seizes mid-whip.
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Good luck with your new tool's Nate.
And good luck being able to do anything like a rebuild on your 4 stroke.
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This is BAD!!!
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Regardless of what Nate says about "just wanting a different fender to look at" he switched for just one reason.
Someone PAID him to do so.
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This is inevitable.
The 2t Hondas they use are older bikes now.
And, as in racing, bike sponsors have, mainly 4ts to give, and what they want to promote. They'll get a lot of change over amongst the 'extreme dudes'.
EFI has made the 4ts a damned site safer than they are with a carb, when it comes to all the gymnastics the bikes go through.
It is, what it is................. :(
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cant wait till one of those locks up and they case a 120 footer that should teach em
Jeez man....being a 2 stroke fan is one thing but wishing serious injury on someone because of the bike they ride? wow
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dont recall saying i wish some1 gets hurt i've cased a jump before and not been injured busted balls maybe but i wouldnt ever say ya i hope nate adams 450 locks up and he crushed his chest cavity on his handle bars. Assumptions are like butt holes every1 has one and yours really stinks
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I wonder how that 4T likes running upside down (oil starvation anyone)? :-X
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dont recall saying i wish some1 gets hurt i've cased a jump before and not been injured busted balls maybe but i wouldnt ever say ya i hope nate adams 450 locks up and he crushed his chest cavity on his handle bars. Assumptions are like butt holes every1 has one and yours really stinks
How many 120 foot freestyle doubles have you cased? If a motor locks up on a jump like that I dont think your just going to bust your balls :P
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Well he meant it with the best intentions ::)
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How many 120 foot freestyle doubles have you cased? If a motor locks up on a jump like that I dont think your just going to bust your balls
He'll be OK if he was drinking red bull
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This is inevitable.
The 2t Hondas they use are older bikes now.
And, as in racing, bike sponsors have, mainly 4ts to give, and what they want to promote. They'll get a lot of change over amongst the 'extreme dudes'.
EFI has made the 4ts a damned site safer than they are with a carb, when it comes to all the gymnastics the bikes go through.
It is, what it is................. :(
Dead right unfortunatly.
Would be good to see the likes of Husaberg or Husky stump up with some bikes for these guys.
KTM are not going to supply bikes to all of them.
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gotta remember something here guys. he's not bouncing that crf off the rev limiter all dam day 3-4 days a week and racing 4-6 motos on sunday, like we serious mx guys do. they hit big kickers all day then find a new line then hit it again over and over. the only time that bike even comes close to being pinned is when he needs to panic rev it, lol.
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It's probably not his own money, since he has sponsors. ;)
But as long as we don't see 2 Strokes in Pro races and get positive tv&internet broadcasts,
we will remain on the background, despite all progress....
And of course it's got to do with the people who are in charge of everything.
The rule makers, and the people that work in the media industry.
THEY descide what they will broadcast, and what the mass public get's to watch!!!
In this clip, they are laughing at 2 strokes, altho he didn't really say a bad thing about 2 strokes.
Just that the untrained masses who watch this, think it's cool to have a 4 stroke coz all the pro's
have them, and they handle supreme as well otherwise the they wouldn't use 'em in FMX :-\ ??? :(
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Haha, that looks kind of like the 360 front flip Jake Moss did accidentally at Dortmund.
His fooper was gasping and farting desperately around the track when suddenly, it's last desperate "...foop!..." was heard as it went up the face of a big step up...
Then it was 360 front flip time, supercross style. No foam pit for that piece achit!
Yay.... Foopercross!
Foop!
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Well he meant it with the best intentions ::)
I know...Im just jerkin ;D but some of the anti 4t comments on here are a little rediculas sometimes.
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Yeah I don't mind messin with the four stroke guys... But everyone must remember, this site is made to promote two strokes, it was not designed to bash four strokes.
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i've been whanting to say this for a long time
i have a 2 stroke and a 4t
i ride the 4t only in the woods (5-10 times a year)
the questions is:
if you like racing and it is your "job",and someone pays you to ride their bike or gear
would say no becouse the bike is a 4t?
i love the 2t bike but if someone gives my a bike to ride it for free or pay me,i don't give a shit what brand it is ,stroke,cc :)
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snowboarderro I agree.... I too have a 2 and a 4 stroke, of course the 4 stroke is 1100cc's and is a cruiser... :P My son prefers a quad, and he rides a 4 stroke. I agree different strokes for different folks. Pick the one you prefer, and lets all have some fun.
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I have a 4 stroke dual sport, if I could find a two stroke dual sport I'd eagerly trade for it.
I have ridden many four strokes, mostly Honda XR's. a few newer YZ 250fs, KX450f, KTM 250xcf, Honestly my favorite motor was the XR200 with an FMF exhaust. Bullet proof, effective, fun power. that motor in a modern chassis would be a serious woods weapon for me. reliable and low maintinance.
But I think that four stroke mx bikes are too heavy for freestyle, and unless you're a freestyler at the highest level with a fullride, a mechanic and titanium everything, it's just not feasable.
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Yeah... I've ridden a yz250f and 450f... I hated it. There was hardly any pull in the top end. All the power was down low, and I hate riding down low. I like to keep my rpm's up. Never gonna own a four stroke for any moto purposes. But some people enjoy riding that way, so I'm not going to bash them for that. But if they come to me, and begin bashing two strokes or me personally, thats is the only time I would bash four strokes. For instance, the video I made for tsm a week or so ago, was because I got into a debate with a friend and I wanted to prove a point.
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:)...I like 2 strokes, I like 4 strokes, I LOVE dirtbikes. Although Im not a die hard fan, if Im going racing Ill grab my 450 every time just because Im old and lazy and like riding something smooth and can leave in 3rd gear everywere. I had a blast on the 2 stroke I raced last year but the damn thing wore me out in 2 laps :P Ill always have a 2 stroke around to play and tinker with.
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Haha well at least your admitting that its because youre lazy :P
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Jeremy Sledger is one of the newest riders in MX and he recently was at Glen Helen track and tearing it up. His bike is one of a kind, he used to ride 2 strokes when he was in the little tykes (65, 80) league but when he went up he went to 4 strokes. He recently had an interview with RacerX magazine and he was saying that when he went to 4 strokes he couldnt' believe how good they were compared to 2 strokes. He said that he was completely convinced that more strokes is better and so he has a one of a kind bike. It's a factory 6 stroke Honda, very new and everyone will be switching to it because more is better and they are actually working on a 12 stroke which would be SO awesome. it would be a 2000cc bike though so it could complete in the lites races. The 6 stroke he has, the first stroke requests that the gas tank deliver some gas. The second stroke requests air from the air filter. The 3rd stroke recieves both air and gas. the 4th stroke mixes the air and gas together. The 5th stroke combusts the air and gas mixture and the 6th stroke will push out the exhaust. jeremey says adding more strokes is so awesome, that his vision of a 124 stroke motor with a few optional strokes that happen at the end of the race which do things like deliver water into a hose he can drink out of or even order food for delivery so it's ready at the finish line and even order its own rebuild kit every race. of course, the bike would be as big as a 747, and probably one of the heaviest bikes in the world and need to do 100,000 RPM but that's fine he said, Honda is perfectly happy rebuilding the engine after each stroke :)
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I like 4 strokes, I'll pose and pretend I like 2 strokes, but I LOVE dirtbikes. Although I'm a diehard fan, my 450 is down for a few months after shitting a valve, so until the lazy guys at the garage can replace 3rd gear it can't go anywhere. I had a blast on the 4 stroke last time it was running last year, but the damn thing wore out in 2 laps! :P I'll always keep a 4 stroke around to use for a giant paper weight.
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^^^what a (edited) this guy is....once again trolling when absolutly nothing I posted had anything to do with him or his opinion. He's a perfect example of a washed up trail rider who has to talk big on the internet because he's to old and slow to do it in person. Just because I dont go along with all this "war against the 4 stroke....the 4 stroke is destroying our sport" bologna it makes me the outcast. Believe it or not ts250, its very possable to like both strokes...in fact I would say that is how 75% of the moto world feels.
Do you even ride anything besides that old 185? How are you such an expert on modern motocross bikes? Id be willing to bet I could lap you in my sleep and Ive never blown up a 450 so Im sure you havent either :-* :-*
Rant over....I apoligize to ACMX, Charles, Coop, and anyone this may offend. This guy obviously has a problem with my opinions because theyre not the same as his.
(rant edited to protect the semi-innocent) (rant re-edited because I said nothing out of line besides maybe the third word...I appolgize)
ME REPRESENTIN THE 2 STROKE for TS
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He's just yankin your chain :D Just stand back and look at the humor in it.
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I do believe that is the funniest shit I have heard all year opfermanmotors, LMMFAO!!!!!
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It is through fraud and misrepresentation that the general public has had this 4T fiasco rammed down their throats.I wonder how the motorsports sanctioning bodies will respond when they have to finally acknowledge the fact that,not only are the latest DI 2Ts as fuel efficient as 4Ts,but that they also emit LESS total pollutants?
The latest batch of 4Ts is damaging the sport,one look at sales figures and race attendance will tell you that.I realize that the economy has yet to recover but the downward spiral goes far beyond that.
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not callin any1 out personally here but my distaste comes from this whole "lazy" approach to riding a motorcycle. Honestly who rides to be lazy? Ahhh yes lets just cruise in third around a race track sounds like alot of fun ppl's outlook on hard work these days is just down right embarrassing. I dont know about yall but I dont feel safe riding on the same track as some1 who wants to ride lazy. Anyways flame on that was my rant for today!
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Sorry I didnt respond sooner....I was busy at the Indy SX all day.
not callin any1 out personally here but my distaste comes from this whole "lazy" approach to riding a motorcycle. Honestly who rides to be lazy? Ahhh yes lets just cruise in third around a race track sounds like alot of fun ppl's outlook on hard work these days is just down right embarrassing. I dont know about yall but I dont feel safe riding on the same track as some1 who wants to ride lazy. Anyways flame on that was my rant for today!
Since this was obviously directed towards me I guess Ill respond accordingly. 'Lazy' is a figure of speach I used being sarcastic. I know for a fact I can "lazily" lug my 450 around in 3rd and still run faster lap times than if I was working my ass off on a 2 stroke. I dont know about YOU....but I dont feel safe riding something I have to shift on a face of a jump spinning the tire the whole way off praying it stays straight.
The latest batch of 4Ts is damaging the sport,one look at sales figures and race attendance will tell you that.
How is race attendance damaged? I just got home from a sold out stadium were 65,000 people came to watch those sport damaging thumpers race. The downward spiral of the economy had absolutly nothing to do with 4 strokes.
He's just yankin your chain :D Just stand back and look at the humor in it.
He's not being humerous, hes being a jerk. He was also obviously the person who set up the fake profile a while back to troll on my postes....he just about repeated word for word browntrout620 posted before he got banned.. Check the IP adress and I bet a $1 Im right
P.S. On a side not Id like to say our local hero, Ryan Sipes got his first win tonight. He's a perfect example of someone who enjoys riding 2 strokes but races 4 strokes. Flame on guys, flame on. I love it ;D
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:)...I like 2 strokes, I like 4 strokes, I LOVE dirtbikes. Although Im not a die hard fan, if Im going racing Ill grab my 450 every time just because Im old and lazy and like riding something smooth and can leave in 3rd gear everywere. I had a blast on the 2 stroke I raced last year but the damn thing wore me out in 2 laps :P Ill always have a 2 stroke around to play and tinker with.
You're 100% on the money there i reckon.
If i had to achieve the best possible results i'd be crazy not to be on a 4 stroke, i can definately lap faster for longer on one so could 95% of the other riders out there. I just don't find them exciting to ride, and like a challenge.
I'm talking openclass here, 250 vs 250's another story.
I'm pretty damn positive that ced soubeyras could lap faster on a 450 than the 2502t.
None of that means i like or appreciate the big four or the AMA's attempts to sink the smoker, and i'll also never buy a fourstroke but i am realistic about how good the modern 4 bangers are.
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You're 100% on the money there i reckon.
If i had to achieve the best possible results i'd be crazy not to be on a 4 stroke, i can definately lap faster for longer on one so could 95% of the other riders out there. I just don't find them exciting to ride, and like a challenge.
I'm talking openclass here, 250 vs 250's another story.
I'm pretty damn positive that ced soubeyras could lap faster on a 450 than the 2502t.
None of that means i like or appreciate the big four or the AMA's attempts to sink the smoker, and i'll also never buy a fourstroke but i am realistic about how good the modern 4 bangers are.
Thank you....and I agree 100,000% it sucks the 2 stroke has taken such a huge hit from the AMA changing the rules to help the make a 4 stroke the obvious choice when it comes to racing.
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Motorcycle sales have decreased in North America in each of the last four years,with sales in the U.S. dropping 36 % last year.Of the 12 Honda Super Centres created in Canada in the last couple of years,3 have already gone under.Last I heard,Toronto (Canada's largest city) does not have a Honda motorcycle dealer.
When I spoke of attendance I was referring to local events and from the perspective of the rider - there is a reason sales have taken a nosedive.Jody Weisel has commented that he is amazed at how many fellow baby boomers he sees at the races and goes on to explain the reason for this,only old guys (like myself) have the resources to keep fragile 4Ts running.Young up and coming riders have been dealt the double blow of a lousy economy and expensive machinery and the results are beginning to reveal themselves on the showroom floor.
Sales of big bore Euro bikes are way up (BMW sales are up 30 %) - it's the boomers that have the cash and they don't want Japanese bikes.
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good bad
ktm 4s crfs so since most people ride hon/kaws/suz that is where
yz2s rmz250 all the bad durability issues come from!! i work on only race bikes
ktm 2s kxf250 and thats what i see .
rmzs 450 bergs(old)
yzfs
rm 2s
cr 2s
kx 2s
bergs(new)
husky not in order but ktm and yzf would be at the top
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He's not being humerous, hes being a jerk. He was also obviously the person who set up the fake profile a while back to troll on my postes....he just about repeated word for word browntrout620 posted before he got banned.. Check the IP adress and I bet a $1 Im right
You suspect he's a troll and you're still feeding him?
Don't feed the trolls.
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Sorry I didnt respond sooner....I was busy at the Indy SX all day.
not callin any1 out personally here but my distaste comes from this whole "lazy" approach to riding a motorcycle. Honestly who rides to be lazy? Ahhh yes lets just cruise in third around a race track sounds like alot of fun ppl's outlook on hard work these days is just down right embarrassing. I dont know about yall but I dont feel safe riding on the same track as some1 who wants to ride lazy. Anyways flame on that was my rant for today!
Since this was obviously directed towards me I guess Ill respond accordingly. 'Lazy' is a figure of speach I used being sarcastic. I know for a fact I can "lazily" lug my 450 around in 3rd and still run faster lap times than if I was working my ass off on a 2 stroke. I dont know about YOU....but I dont feel safe riding something I have to shift on a face of a jump spinning the tire the whole way off praying it stays straight.
The latest batch of 4Ts is damaging the sport,one look at sales figures and race attendance will tell you that.
How is race attendance damaged? I just got home from a sold out stadium were 65,000 people came to watch those sport damaging thumpers race. The downward spiral of the economy had absolutly nothing to do with 4 strokes.
He's just yankin your chain :D Just stand back and look at the humor in it.
He's not being humerous, hes being a jerk. He was also obviously the person who set up the fake profile a while back to troll on my postes....he just about repeated word for word browntrout620 posted before he got banned.. Check the IP adress and I bet a $1 Im right
P.S. On a side not Id like to say our local hero, Ryan Sipes got his first win tonight. He's a perfect example of someone who enjoys riding 2 strokes but races 4 strokes. Flame on guys, flame on. I love it ;D
wish you'd bore off
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wish you'd bore off
what?
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I've never heard that term before...