Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: 2smoker on January 15, 2011, 10:29:11 AM
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some quotes from him on Vital: I am headed home and headed to Phoenix, which means I won't be defending my stance here anymore tonight, or trying to explain that I didn't write the four-stroke rule in the first place, and I can't change it by myself (nor do I think it's wise to do so now at the pro level given the investment the teams have already made over many years in changing to four-strokes). But I will keep trying to do my small part to improve the series and the sport, along with everyone else on here.
Anyone who wants to contact me directly can reach me at: DC@mxsports.com.
the AMA Motocross Series had better attendance and a vastly bigger TV audience than it has ever had in 2010, which was a down year for the economy. Appreciate the doom-and-gloom scenario you painted, but like AMA Supercross, which also utilizes the AMA rulebook we've done a pretty good job in attracting fans and sponsors and getting our sport on TV while other forms of professional racing have struggled.
DC
MX Sports
The problem is not the players..its the leaders.. Is our sport turning into Nascar? This is disgusting..Even if Cedric do good.. We all know that he won't have the proper coverage from the medias fed by the OEMs..I can't believe they are still people that cheers and respect DC. Jody for the president!
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Go CĂ©dric!
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Love the edit! Good job!
CĂ©dric Soubeyras (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX2lw1huPhs#)
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What's wrong with admitting the 4 jokes were the wrong choice, and bad for the sport...
It's the kamikaze Japanese mentality. Fot them, it's all or nothing.
They rather die and go broke, doing what they stand for and swear by, than to admit they were wrong.
That's why my hard earned money will go to GasGas, TM or another small passionate 'outsider'. ;)
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Don't know if you guys read Racerhead, but in looking for some info about the race in Pheonix I found this quote from DC.
My flight is landing, so I will cut my part off here with this: I know that there are a few people begging for the AMA to just the displacement rules to allow two-stroke 250cc motorcycles to race in the Lites class, but I don't agree for a lot of reasonsâ??including the fact that while it may help some privateers, cost-wise, it will only help the ones who ride KTMs or Yamahas. And what's to prevent KTM or Yamaha from putting their best guys on two-strokes, which I still believe outperform 250cc four-strokes? And finally, while some may think it's Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki's fault for not having a two-stroke to enter if that rule ever changed, I don't think it's worth the chance of running them out of AMA Supercross and AMA Motocross the way they pulled back in AMA Superbike racing when the rules kept changing and they were not happy with the moving target.
Motorcycle racing is expensive, no matter what bike you're on, but it is more expensive on four-strokes. But cutting back costs for a small minority of the riders out there is not worth jeopardizing the whole structure of racing by running factory teams off (and if you don't think that's a real risk, again, see AMA Superbike racing). The OEMs have invested millions and millions of dollars in four-stroke technology, and making them turn around and go back to two-strokesâ??which they would have to do in order to keep up with modified two-stroke race bikes of other teamsâ??in a time when the market is down 70 percent and the economy is still in turmoil just doesn't make sense to me. MX Sports offers straight-up 250cc racing at the amateur level, but it is not feasible right now in pro motocross, and forcing a rule change on the OEMs when they are all barely getting by is not a wise idea, in my humble opinion. I know that's not going to go over well with the two-stroke advocates on the message boards, but I am more worried about keeping the teams and the OEMs we have in the sport right now. It's a risk that's not worth taking. I disagree that it would even the playing field anyway, and I doubt changing class structure in one series is going to get major Japanese companies to reverse course, retool, and start churning out two-strokes all of the suddenâ??that's a nonsensical argument. If you don't like four-strokes, fortunately, you have the option of racing a two-stroke at your local tracks.
Not hard to see that he is no longer a two-stroke advocate at the Pro level....
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Does he seriously believe that Honda, Suzuki, and Kawasaki would just LEAVE motocross racing? They would obviously realize that if they did that, all the teenagers who can't see past their TV would be saying, "d00d, all da pros be ridin Yamaha, wen i get some moneys fo a bike itz all blue all da way bro."
And this is obviously a stupid argument to make, because once upon a time they skewed the rules vastly in favor of four-strokes when ONLY ONE of the manufacturers made one!
Also, he basically says here that he realizes that the riders and the general public would like to see two-strokes, but the people with the money don't, and so therefore it's obvious which path we have to take. I mean, we wouldn't want for privateers to be a big force in racing! They're just there fill the track up and make it look more action-y, but the only racing that anyone needs to give a shit about is the kind between two dudes who each own Learjets and have thousands of men working full-time on their team. The privateers might as well just go home and let the TV stars battle it out one-on-one, for all anyone in the management cares.
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Mr.Coombs should do the honorable thing and do his part to return motocross to it's grass roots mentality i.e. race what you brung.He has essentially admitted that the 4T experiment is a failure but insists that the manufacturers are in too deep in the whole mess to backup.Any good investor knows when to cut their losses and deal with the inevitable.
The tide has already turned and evidence of this is the fact that smaller,more agile manufacturers are already introducing a new wave of 2T motorcycles. ;D
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Don't know if you guys read Racerhead, but in looking for some info about the race in Pheonix I found this quote from DC.
My flight is landing, so I will cut my part off here with this: I know that there are a few people begging for the AMA to just the displacement rules to allow two-stroke 250cc motorcycles to race in the Lites class, but I don't agree for a lot of reasonsâ??including the fact that while it may help some privateers, cost-wise, it will only help the ones who ride KTMs or Yamahas. And what's to prevent KTM or Yamaha from putting their best guys on two-strokes, which I still believe outperform 250cc four-strokes? And finally, while some may think it's Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki's fault for not having a two-stroke to enter if that rule ever changed, I don't think it's worth the chance of running them out of AMA Supercross and AMA Motocross the way they pulled back in AMA Superbike racing when the rules kept changing and they were not happy with the moving target.
Motorcycle racing is expensive, no matter what bike you're on, but it is more expensive on four-strokes. But cutting back costs for a small minority of the riders out there is not worth jeopardizing the whole structure of racing by running factory teams off (and if you don't think that's a real risk, again, see AMA Superbike racing). The OEMs have invested millions and millions of dollars in four-stroke technology, and making them turn around and go back to two-strokesâ??which they would have to do in order to keep up with modified two-stroke race bikes of other teamsâ??in a time when the market is down 70 percent and the economy is still in turmoil just doesn't make sense to me. MX Sports offers straight-up 250cc racing at the amateur level, but it is not feasible right now in pro motocross, and forcing a rule change on the OEMs when they are all barely getting by is not a wise idea, in my humble opinion. I know that's not going to go over well with the two-stroke advocates on the message boards, but I am more worried about keeping the teams and the OEMs we have in the sport right now. It's a risk that's not worth taking. I disagree that it would even the playing field anyway, and I doubt changing class structure in one series is going to get major Japanese companies to reverse course, retool, and start churning out two-strokes all of the suddenâ??that's a nonsensical argument. If you don't like four-strokes, fortunately, you have the option of racing a two-stroke at your local tracks.
Not hard to see that he is no longer a two-stroke advocate at the Pro level....
God, I got some puke in my mouth after reading this.. :'( Good to see you alive John! ;D
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What's wrong with admitting the 4 jokes were the wrong choice, and bad for the sport...
It's the kamikaze Japanese mentality. Fot them, it's all or nothing.
They rather die and go broke, doing what they stand for and swear by, than to admit they were wrong.
That's why my hard earned money will go to GasGas, TM or another small passionate 'outsider'. ;)
x1000
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Anybody has a copy of the latest Jody's Box?? I am going to Spam DCs mailbox with 2 stroke pictures.. DC@mxsports.com. Anybody has some photoshop skills? Would like to put Cedric Soubeyras on a cover of Racer illustrated with a 2 stroke title to it! Post this on Vital!!!! aahahahah ?? Anybody??
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He has a sore throat in this video... lol
DC of RacerX talking about the Davis Bros. of T.J. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl6-NA1MoWw#)
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Had a go 'round with the Coombs' years ago. They tried to have me banned from AMA racing for voicing an opinion. I got abusive calls at home from Jr. on my unlisted number. Thanks district 5. They are all about the money. Period. They will follow suit until the cash flow stops.
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Anybody has a copy of the latest Jody's Box?? I am going to Spam DCs mailbox with 2 stroke pictures.. DC@mxsports.com. Anybody has some photoshop skills? Would like to put Cedric Soubeyras on a cover of Racer illustrated with a 2 stroke title to it! Post this on Vital!!!! aahahahah ?? Anybody??
Try to enlarge this;
If that doesn't work, go here:
http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/WHAT-YOURE-MISSING-IF-YOU-HAVENT-SEEN-THE-NEW-ISSU-7634.aspx (http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/WHAT-YOURE-MISSING-IF-YOU-HAVENT-SEEN-THE-NEW-ISSU-7634.aspx)
If you can't read it there, save the image on your pc, and enlarge it.
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Anybody has a copy of the latest Jody's Box?? I am going to Spam DCs mailbox with 2 stroke pictures.. DC@mxsports.com. Anybody has some photoshop skills? Would like to put Cedric Soubeyras on a cover of Racer illustrated with a 2 stroke title to it! Post this on Vital!!!! aahahahah ?? Anybody??
Try to enlarge this;
If that doesn't work, go here:
http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/WHAT-YOURE-MISSING-IF-YOU-HAVENT-SEEN-THE-NEW-ISSU-7634.aspx (http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/WHAT-YOURE-MISSING-IF-YOU-HAVENT-SEEN-THE-NEW-ISSU-7634.aspx)
If you can't read it there, save the image on your pc, and enlarge it.
Bad ass EJ!!!! thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!
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Well said.
It really is that simple to change the rules.
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Keith McCarthy, Mike Fisher,Roger Decoster,Davey Coombs, Erik Kehoe and everyone at the AMA are all guilty of killing the sport.. Jody for the President!
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that Davy coombs argument has been proved wrong anyhow cos they have equal displacement rules in pro racing in the UK and OZ and there has not been the problems he suggests will happen!
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DC has it stuck in his head of equal displacement in the 250 class, but he hasn't mentioned anything about a slight increase. Straight up cc would favor the 2-stroke, a slight increase would even it out. He hasn't even considered or allowed a 125 class, but has vehemently fought any and all 2-stroke ideas.
Good to hear from you John!
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Anybody has a copy of the latest Jody's Box?? I am going to Spam DCs mailbox with 2 stroke pictures.. DC@mxsports.com. Anybody has some photoshop skills? Would like to put Cedric Soubeyras on a cover of Racer illustrated with a 2 stroke title to it! Post this on Vital!!!! aahahahah ?? Anybody??
Looking for something like this?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/mxboy721/MagazineCoverAssignmentHighQuality.jpg)
I can do one with Racer X and Cedric if you like.
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I like Jody's rule, just name the displacement and call it a day. However, I would be reluctant to include Wankels because it's relatively difficult to compare their displacement to piston engines. That said, I really like the elegant simplicity of the technology; they remind me a lot of two-strokes in that they're traditionally known for being small, having few moving parts, generating a lot of power, making a sort of pissed-off buzzing scream, liking lots of gas, and being relatively neglected in their development.
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Anybody has a copy of the latest Jody's Box?? I am going to Spam DCs mailbox with 2 stroke pictures.. DC@mxsports.com. Anybody has some photoshop skills? Would like to put Cedric Soubeyras on a cover of Racer illustrated with a 2 stroke title to it! Post this on Vital!!!! aahahahah ?? Anybody??
Looking for something like this?
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/mxboy721/MagazineCoverAssignmentHighQuality.jpg)
I can do one with Racer X and Cedric if you like.
Totally got the idea.. Just need a more shocking title to it..!
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So it is not fair for someone to show up at an SX Lites race on a 45 hp stock 2-stroke, but a fully modded, $100,000 45 hp Pro-Circuit 250f is fair???? Show me the logic there.... DC is a flat-out liar.