Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: Alec S on December 15, 2009, 08:21:55 PM
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What's late model you ask.....how bout we consider anything after 2000 [or close to it] for the sake of this thread. Perhaps someone else could start a "vintage" race thread?
What form of racing is it?
And why a 2T?
I'm planning on racing MX for the first time in 18 years [NESC] on a CR500 conversion.
I've never even ridden a modern 4T and never considered buying one. I'm a gas and go guy so I wasn't into the more expensive/complex 4T motors so that ruled out used ones also.
Started my "come back" on an 03 YZ250 that was probably fast enough for my 52 year old body/skills but I got caught up in the CR500 thing and as I was planning a conversion, I found a killer deal on a conversion so I bought it.
It's in an 05 CRF so my motor isn't "current" just the rest of the bike.
Come back pic:
(http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2187/2763304/21631209/366991718.jpg)
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Does a 2010 count??? ;D
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/BikeLeftSide.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/Clutch_cover.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/Rear-Hub.jpg)
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^^^^^ WOW^^^ so sick. beautiful bike.
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Does a 2010 count??? ;D
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/BikeLeftSide.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/Clutch_cover.jpg)
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/Rear-Hub.jpg)
Did you take delivery of that beauty yet? Please post more pics as soon as possible!
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09 KTM 250 sx.
What a jetting nightmare !!!!
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09 KTM 250 sx.
What a jetting nightmare !!!!
How so? I think we woul all like to hear from your experiences, and the details...such as...premix used and a what ratio, jetting, including needle number and installed position. Last bt not least slide cut out, air screw opening and how many turns in on the idle screw.
Thanks
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Well, with me being mainly a vintage guy, it may surprise you all to hear that I...
Okay, no. I don't have any "new" bikes at all, as a matter of fact. I hold to the philosophy that plastic be damned except in airbox and fenders. Number plates can be included if you ride with them; I don't. Have a nice thread, modern people.
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Thanks westsiderippa!!
2smoker... it's in the garage now.... those are actual photos my bike. With the holiday's and such I haven't had much time to get out into the frigid garage (no heat!)
The plan is to shoot a bunch of photos and video.... just looking closely at this bike there is a tremendous attention to detail. It comes with top of the line components everywhere. The front brake is massive! The hydraulic clutch feel like butter and when sitting on the bike it feels very much like an Asian bike. Does not have the European feel.
I know, I know, all that is well and good but how does it ride?? The plan is to take it to an indoor riding area in early January. When I'll be doing a complete test and write up on the bike. But the test will not just be me, telling folks what I think, I'm going to have some of my much faster friends ride it and give their impressions as well.
It's kind of turning into a shoot out of sorts!! One guy has a brand new Husqvarna 125, others have late model Honda's, Suzuki's, Kawasaki's and Yamaha's... it should be very interesting!!
With any luck I will do video interviews of the riders after they try and compare the bike to their own bikes. Although I still have a bunch to learn about this cool looking machine.
For the time being here's a few more photos....
The bikes come in the smallest crates that I've ever seen for a full sized motorcycle.
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/new_crate.jpg)
A peek inside the crate.
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/Insidethecrate.jpg)
A twin air filter comes standard, it was well oiled with greased edges.....
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/TwinAirFilter.jpg)
The engine has an inter-cooler!! Notice the radiator hose going into the bottom end.
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/Motorrightside.jpg)
Standard billet triple clamps, with Marzoochi 50mm forks.
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/TripleClamps.jpg)
Rear shock is by Sachs....
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/SachsShock.jpg)
Front brake is massive...
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/FrontBrake.jpg)
The hubs are made from billet by the TM factory....
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/FrontHub.jpg)
More to come..
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09 KTM 250 sx.
What a jetting nightmare !!!!
How so? I think we would all like to hear from your experiences, and the details...such as...premix used and a what ratio, jetting, including needle number and installed position. Last but not least slide cut out, air screw opening and how many turns in on the idle screw.
Thanks
Sorry for the double post.
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Marzoochi and sachs are some sweet suspension. I rode huskys a few years ago (04-07). excellent suspension imo
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Marzoochi and sachs are some sweet suspension. I rode huskys a few years ago (04-07). excellent suspension imo
Thay are very good. The shocks was tolerated but the fork was very much disliked by the media.
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John, that TM looks to be loaded with state of the art components. I especially like that sweet
Brembo front brake with the wave rotor. Has to be cool getting a bike in a box.
If I can whip myself back into racing shape, I want to race a 2010 Service Honda CR250. I've been
off the bike for two years due to the evils of four stroke racing so it will require a lot of training and
perseverance to be ready by the Spring.
dogger
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This thing should not be in the garage.. Should be in the living room! This bike is nuts!
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This thing should not be in the garage.. Should be in the living room! This bike is nuts!
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If I can whip myself back into racing shape, I want to race a 2010 Service Honda CR250. I've been
off the bike for two years due to the evils of four stroke racing so it will require a lot of training and
perseverance to be ready by the Spring.
dogger
Doing the same thing but I've been off for around 18 years.....
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This thing should not be in the garage.. Should be in the living room! This bike is nuts!
][/quote\
If I can whip myself back into racing shape, I want to race a 2010 Service Honda CR250. I've been
off the bike for two years due to the evils of four stroke racing so it will require a lot of training and
perseverance to be ready by the Spring.
dogger
Doing the same thing but I've been off for around 18 years.....
The problem is motocross is worst than a addiction...I still remember my first race like yesterday..Nothing like being lined-up with 39 guys...I have butterflies thinking about it!!!!!!!!!! Each time I go watch a race I hat* myself not being on the track...
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Just wondering is it the 125, or 144? I haven't got to ride any of the TM big bikes(125 and up). I did however get to ride this kid's 85 in 04 that I was giving lessons too. That thing was unbelievably fast. I weighed 180 at the time and it felt like I was riding a 125 that ran reeeeaally well. You are a lucky man John.
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Yes motocross is an addiction!!
The TM is a 125. When sitting on it, it feels more like a Honda than a European bike.
Can't wait to ride it!
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Way too cool.Congrats.
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Just wondering is it the 125, or 144? I haven't got to ride any of the TM big bikes(125 and up). I did however get to ride this kid's 85 in 04 that I was giving lessons too. That thing was unbelievably fast. I weighed 180 at the time and it felt like I was riding a 125 that ran reeeeaally well. You are a lucky man John.
I built a blown up 04 tm85 for my mrs, got the thing for a grand(aus) and spent another grand on it fixing it up- barrel rechromed, new piston and main bearings etc... This thing is bloody fast! I dont know if its the stage one porting that it has done, but I tell ya what it makes my mrs 07 ktm 85 feel slow. I reckon it would run with a stock 125 for sure!
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This thing should not be in the garage.. Should be in the living room! This bike is nuts!
][/quote\
If I can whip myself back into racing shape, I want to race a 2010 Service Honda CR250. I've been
off the bike for two years due to the evils of four stroke racing so it will require a lot of training and
perseverance to be ready by the Spring.
dogger
Doing the same thing but I've been off for around 18 years.....
The problem is motocross is worst than a addiction...I still remember my first race like yesterday..Nothing like being lined-up with 39 guys...I have butterflies thinking about it!!!!!!!!!! Each time I go watch a race I hat* myself not being on the track...
Yea me too :D Even watching some old races on the computer makes my heart beat relly fast :) i looove the sport
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i am rebuilding my 03 tm85 making it 100cc for 2010
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Going to race the newest model Honda two stroke, CR125 2007. Actually racing two of them, which one at time depends on my mood ;)
Pictures of them in my blog: http://125mxfi.blogspot.com/ (http://125mxfi.blogspot.com/)
Theres some text also, guessing not many understand it though ::). But you can always ask ;D
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.....harrastamisessa ....
Now THAT'S a word!!!!!
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Nice bike!!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YxRIZY1dKyQ/SZW3AjLiKyI/AAAAAAAAAC0/HVshjjTmw4Y/S269/Kuvat+16.1.2009+085.jpg)
We want more photos!!!
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John, how much does the TM cost? I also want to ride it!! :) How's the craftsmanship on the bike, I've been hearing the karting guys complain about the engine cases not matching up. Along with other minor issues. But not sure if it's the Moto or ICC engine they are talking about.
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The craftsmanship of the bike is amazing! But it's one of those things that you have to see for yourself and decide.
The MSRP of a TM 125MX is $7,499.00 which is high compared to the others, but you need to look at the whole picture. These machines are build like works bikes and have the best components as standard equipment, then it doesn't seem so bad.
Where are you located? You are welcome to take a spin on my bike if you'd like.
All that said, they are not for everyone. They're really built for serious racers.... if your looking for a trail bike, you probably wouldn't be happy.
As for the engine trouble that you speak about, where could I check up and read the issues these kart racers have had?
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As for the engine trouble I read them on one of the karting forums, I'm thinking ekartingnews or one of the UK forums.
$7500 doesn't seem to bad, It's a really nice bike though. I would be to afraid to really push it because it's nice. I live in Dayville, Connecticut.
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A group of us are supposed to be heading up to Moto Town on January 7th.... is that kind of close??
We are planning to do some comparisons with a bunch of other bikes... should be fun.
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TM's are definately addictive. Here's my 300 MX
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/totalNZ/sep08029.jpg)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/totalNZ/051.jpg)
internets not playing the game so i'll upload some more pics later.
I opted for the ohlins shock.
I have to say there were a number of details that needed fixed from new and the jetting was a mile out but she's all sorted now.
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What's late model you ask.....how bout we consider anything after 2000 [or close to it] for the sake of this thread. Perhaps someone else could start a "vintage" race thread?
What form of racing is it?
And why a 2T?
I'm planning on racing MX for the first time in 18 years [NESC] on a CR500 conversion.
I've never even ridden a modern 4T and never considered buying one. I'm a gas and go guy so I wasn't into the more expensive/complex 4T motors so that ruled out used ones also.
Started my "come back" on an 03 YZ250 that was probably fast enough for my 52 year old body/skills but I got caught up in the CR500 thing and as I was planning a conversion, I found a killer deal on a conversion so I bought it.
It's in an 05 CRF so my motor isn't "current" just the rest of the bike.
Come back pic:
(http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2187/2763304/21631209/366991718.jpg)
im racing motocross on a 2000 cr125. i had an 04kx250f that was far from stock. i mean dont get me rong the 4 strokes have their advantages but its just not the same as a good ol 2smoke. the smell, the sound,the powerband, and not to mention the weight difference . im 24 grew up riding nothing but 2smokes and i often wonder what happened to the sport of motocross. i really dont care that im one of the only 2smokes on the track it gets me alot of attention plus it pi$$es off these guys on brand new 4strokes with thousands of dollars invested in them when they get spanked by a bike 10 yrs old. the bottom line is its not wht u ride its how u ride it. besides i honestly think the older bikes are built a lot stronger than present day bikes. well maybe thats because i never had a brand new bike.lol . the best advantage is the price of maintnence is a hell of alot cheaper and easier on a 2smoke. i guess its all opinion but my heart beat is ping ping ping.
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Hopefully the hare scrambles again this year unless the old body craps out over the winter-always a possibility :)
I like mx but my time is limited so I hate standing around for four hours waiting to go so typically I go to a friends practice track.I find it good conditioning for off road as well.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb162/ford832/100_1035.jpg)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb162/ford832/i261133870_21056_2.jpg)
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That TM is one sweet looking ride! How much did that wicked Italian beast cost? Maicoman009.
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That TM is one sweet looking ride! How much did that wicked Italian beast cost? Maicoman009.
Hey Maicoman009 - not sure if you were asking this of me or totalNZ... but the 2010 TM 125 MX is $7,499.00 plus shipping. Just realize that this is a serious race bike and not for everyone. It is virtually a factory level race machine straight from the factory. No real mods needed, just a skill set that allows you to go very fast!! LOL