Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: maicoman009 on July 07, 2010, 10:15:17 PM
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I just noticed on TSM's site that the Husaberg brand is coming out with their own version of a 300 2-stroke with e-start!That's GREAT news for all of us smoker fans!I did however notice when reading the comments about the new Berg that a few of the readers stated that the new Husaberg is just a blue version of the KTM-300xc-w but others said no it's not because it has a 6 speed transmission.The truth is,at least according to my local KTM dealership is that the 2011 KTM-300's are also going to have 6 speed transmissions!Both the XC as well as the XC-W which makes me very happy to know that when I go to buy a new KTM-300xc it too will have a 6 speed gearbox!Nonetheless it's still awesome to know that we'll have another brand of 2-stroke out there to choose from..!!! :D :P :)
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So the Husaberg uses a KTM motor, is that what's happening here?
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It sure looks & sounds that way Jetz! :o
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So the Husaberg uses a KTM motor, is that what's happening here?
Great news as its proven !
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I'm pretty sure Husaberg and KTM have the same owners these days
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That is 100% true TotalNZ.KTM has owned Husaberg for at least the past 3 or 4 years now if not a little longer. :)
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I just noticed on TSM's site that the Husaberg brand is coming out with their own version of a 300 2-stroke with e-start!That's GREAT news for all of us smoker fans!I did however notice when reading the comments about the new Berg that a few of the readers stated that the new Husaberg is just a blue version of the KTM-300xc-w but others said no it's not because it has a 6 speed transmission.The truth is,at least according to my local KTM dealership is that the 2011 KTM-300's are also going to have 6 speed transmissions!Both the XC as well as the XC-W which makes me very happy to know that when I go to buy a new KTM-300xc it too will have a 6 speed gearbox!Nonetheless it's still awesome to know that we'll have another brand of 2-stroke out there to choose from..!!! :D :P :)
If KTM finally woke up and heard the voices of us wanting the 6 speed gear box in the 300 this indeed is great news. Itâ??s great to see KTM continually to develop the smoker. Now with the Husaberg that just means more options.... Since all the 2 stroke development is coming from Europe, do you think the Jap manufacturers will see the light and begin redeveloping the smoker?
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They should, but that doesn't mean they would :(. I sure hope HONDA wakes up soon. I really wouldn't hate the new Honda two strokes as it's not the people who make them that decided to stop making them, but some businessmen who probably can't even ride a motorcycle. I bet that Honda engineers were shocked even more then most of us when they heard "no more two strokes" :(. And having in mind all the rumors about the research they did in the two stroke field I sure hope that people in charge change their minds and restart the Honda two stroke line, I bet we would see some crazy stuff from them (in a very good way).
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That is correct.The husaberg 2 strokes are ktm's in different colored plastic and the xc and xcw's are now 6 speeds.
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That is correct.The husaberg 2 strokes are ktm's in different colored plastic and the xc and xcw's are now 6 speeds.
Thanks for the update offroader. I don't see a new ride in my near future, so I haven't been paying too much attention to the newer bikes. At least I know when the time comes to get a new bike, to get an 2011... Hell as slow as I am, I'd probably never see 6th gear anyway... :D
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The more the marrier,the euros are taking the Chevy -Pontiac, Ford -Mecury approach.....same basic platform different trim. I would like to see the pricing, one of them is probably a little cheaper than the other but basically the same bike.
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Everyone always forgets Plymouth - Dodge. Maybe it's because Daimler in their extremely finite wisdom decided to hand Plymouth the axe...
Woah, sorry, off-topic.
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My heart will bleed as the Euro manufactors take more and more market share. ;) ;)
I am sure there is more to this bike then just a blue KTM.
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Yeah there is more to it.It also says husaberg on it. :) They have dealers in europe that only sell husaberg and not ktm.KTM doesn't want customers walking out that want a 2t so they rebadged the ktm xcw's.The xcw's get the 6 speed but not the new chassis and plastics that the xc's and sx's get.
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That is 100% true TotalNZ.KTM has owned Husaberg for at least the past 3 or 4 years now if not a little longer. :)
KTM purchased Husaberg in 1995, btw.
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You could tell from the video that that was pretty much a KTM with a different tank and shroud.
Nothing to celebrate about.
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It may be a KTM in blue plastic but if this is the case,it would be the first time.Berg has their own team of designers in Sweden though they are manufactured in Austria.A look at the new Berg 4t's as compared to the new KTM's show a completely different engine/chassis-as it has always been.Since the purchase,Berg has been somewhat of a test bed for new ideas that may/may not find their way on to KTM's.A much smaller market if it doesn't work out I suppose.While many parts are shared,many are different and many look the same but aren't.For example,the PDS rear of a Berg is different,mounts different,is angled different and is valved different.I always thought it was pretty smart of KTM to set up Berg this way rather than just absorbing them.Different teams with different ideas and so on.I've owned both and ridden others and much prefer the Berg chassis and was comfortable buying one knowing they had KTM quality and components.
As for the 2t,it may well just be a carbon copy but would still be a good bike.Typically KTM's and Bergs aren't sold from the same dealer so rumor has it the intent was to give Berg dealers a 2t option given the increasing popularity of 2t's these days.Smart move imo.On the other hand,after KTM took "Ready to Race" from Husaberg and replaced it with "Fourstroke Force" you have to wonder what it will be now.Maybe "Two Stroke Domination" :D
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Ford your the 2nd person that I heard from that said KTM took "Ready To Race"from Husaberg & replaced that with "Four Stroke Force".?! ??? Your probably right but the reason why I'm a little confused about that is because when Husabergs 1st came out I remember getting a small poster out of one of the dirtbike magazines that had the new Husaberg 550 4-stroke advertised on it & it said "Four Stroke Force"on the front of that poster that I hung on my bedroom wall back in or around 1990 or 91.Back then I was stupidly thinking about converting to a 4-choker :-[ Shhhhh! Don't tell anybody for I was young & a little stupid at that time....
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I've got my submission for their new slogan.
"Two strokes and they're done."
"Two strokes is all it takes."
"If you got more than two strokes, you're just playing with yourself." (Okay, so I stole this one from someone's signature.)
I think you can pick up on the theme, here.
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Now I remember what else I had to say on the subject this is no the first time KTM has had another lable on it.
We all remember John Penton....Katooms labled as Pentons.
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Yeah,did'nt Penton have a dirtbike called the "Jack Piner" or something like that and then KTM brought one of their versions of it out but with the KTM name? ::)
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Other way around Maicoman
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Husaberg was Fourstroke force but then went to "ready to race" then back again when KTM acquired them.As for the Penton,it was a KTM that Penton imported and put his name on.KTM put out a special edition bike(around 97-98 I think) called the Jackpiner which was,oddly enough,blue in color.
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Didn't Penton do some things to make it different from KTMs, though? I always had the impression that Penton had a more "high-end" reputation, like when you got one you were getting a KTM that was modified until John Penton was satisfied with it. Or was that just marketing?
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Pentons were only sold on the East Coast and KTM's on the West Coast. From what I understand John and his sons helped with the development and improvements to the KTM's.
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That's right riffraff,I do recall that John Penton with his son made improvements to the KTM.Nonetheless thankyou riffraff and ford for helping my old weak & feeble mind in recollecting that info! ;D
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If you're relying on MY weak and feeble mind to remember anything accurately maicoman-you're in a bad way :D
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I'm hearin' ya Ford. I just turned the big 4-0 last month & everyone's tellen me that "It's all down hill from here out..!" :( Do ya think Jetz would know anything bout that?
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Sooner or later he will :P
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I've still got a hair over 21 years until I reach that point, boys. :D
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Life begins at 40 fella's. :D
Thats what i keep telling myself anyway. ;)