Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: RM250 Evan on May 17, 2010, 05:13:58 PM
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Better pics:
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/ITS-OFFICIAL-FIRST-LOOK-AT-THE-2011-KTM-MOTOCROSS-6961.aspx (http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/ITS-OFFICIAL-FIRST-LOOK-AT-THE-2011-KTM-MOTOCROSS-6961.aspx)
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/new-bikes/2010/05/17/ktm-unviels-2011-sx-lineup (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/new-bikes/2010/05/17/ktm-unviels-2011-sx-lineup)
scroll down!!!!!
No linkage =(, but still UPER NICE!!!
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"Completely new frames, made of modern lightweight chromoly steel material"
AWESOME!!!
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I'm glad I bought a bike from KTM and supported this progressive company. They follow no one (other manufacturers) with their ideas.
The press release is brilliant. No words like "revolutionary" "new technology" al a Yamaha, Honda etc to old ideas reborn.
Loved this comment;
To the aluminum frame trend of our competitors, we have delivered a high-tech steel frame that weighs less than the lightest competitor. In addition it is easier to maintain, easier to work on and supplies more space for the tank and other components.
Having a dig at the media no doubt!!
I like the idea of going back to silver wheels, black look nice on the showroom floor not too good after a few rides.
Too bad I'm not in the market for a new bike that 150 and me would get along just fine.
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Very nice bikes.
Good to see them upgrading each year instead of just putting on new decals.
I wonder whats happened to the injected 2/S bike ? ???
Jetz wont like them though, cause they make 4 strokes ;) :P
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God damn, you're good at misunderstanding everything I say. I have to say I'm liking these things quite a bit. I mean, that 150SX looks like it weighs 45lbs, with all that empty space in there. I think part of their marketing scheme was to make the bikes LOOK incredibly light, which is something that aluminum-framed bikes have trouble with. Even if the aluminum frames really were lighter, the fact that they have to use so much material makes the bike look bulky. Like others have said, I'm glad that one of the Big Five is making some real progress. Yamaha deserves some credit for not going all the way in killing the two-stroke, but KTM deserves far more for keeping them in almost the same bikes as their four-strokes.
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Just to refresh your memory.
Re: Maico-the final answer
« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2010, 09:57:32 PM » Quote
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I don't hate TM, I never said I did. I think they make wonderful bikes and are doing as much for the two-stroke cause as any other manufacturer. However, the fact that they make four-strokes is a fact I hold against them. Husqvarna doesn't get special treatment, I don't like that they make them, either. Same goes for Yamaha and KTM, and just about all the others.
P.S I was taking the piss. :P :D
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Damn, I don't know if I can justify buying a 2011 after barely riding my 2009.
I think that 2011 is the year that KTM moves to 1 or 2 in bike sales of all the manufacturers. I think their linkage equipped 4 strokes will fnially be appealing to everybody. And I think I'll be seeing alot of the new 2 strokes at the track over the next year.
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Damn, I don't know if I can justify buying a 2011 after barely riding my 2009.
I think that 2011 is the year that KTM moves to 1 or 2 in bike sales of all the manufacturers. I think their linkage equipped 4 strokes will fnially be appealing to everybody. And I think I'll be seeing alot of the new 2 strokes at the track over the next year.
I know this site is geared toward motocross, but go to a GNCC style event, and you'll see a sea of orange, and most of them are smokers.
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The 250SX got a redesigned cylinder along with the new chassis. KTM is still developing the 2 strokes, that's for sure.
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this news is bittersweet. i'm pretty much giving up hope that KTM will ever introduce an injected 2 stroke, gas, oil or otherwise. I mean yippee that they get a few updates, whilst the 4 strokes are continually getting revolutionary changes like fuel injection, linkage, e-start etc. I suppose i should be happy that they are even producing 2 strokes at all, i just wanted more.
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LOVE IT!!.........................better start savin
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The 150sx looks pretty good.
(http://motocrossactionmag.com/Uploads/Public/Images/Bikes/150SX.jpg)
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Jetz-Yamaha should get "some" credit for "not completely killing the 2t"?Huh,what did they do-build a 4t?I'm happy they still make them-and I was looking at a new one on the dealers floor last weekend.Sweet.
Anyhoo,the new Katooms are pretty cool looking for sure.The space around the engine reminds me of the Huskies.One thing though;just when you think KTM couldn't possibly make a smaller side plate :o C'mon guys.....
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Yeah, where in the hell are they going to put the numbers? Looks to me like riders are going to be using 3x5 index cards to mark their numbers here pretty soon. I'd hate to be the guy charged with keeping track of who's in what place on a track without a transponder system.
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Relax Ford & JETZcorp the number plates are big enough.You guys gotta look at it this way!Mike Allessi is #800,he's also "the holeshot master",therefore #800 on the orange/jagermeister KTM along with Mike Sleeter on the KTM-250sx 2-stroke will be in the front!
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you have to remember on ktms the number plates are the air box to. not just that lil black piece of plastic
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The number plates are small indeed. In pictures you can see that the air box and the number plate is no longer a continuous piece of plastic, so there is really little room for numbers. Besides, the radiator protectors are really small. I could easily see someone hitting the radiator from behind with something and bending it. Of course, this is just minor stuff, as long as it drives well it's ok. Here's a picture where you can see (barely :D ) the number plate and just how exposed the radiator is at the rear. Imagine if someone roosted you from the right angle and the stones hit the radiator :\
(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8152/stock2011ktm.jpg)
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Who needs number plates when you have transponders : :P ;D
Would be good if they are a little slimer through the mid section though.
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As a spectator I would love to be able to see the numbers on the sides. As a rider however I can see the thinking behind this... Less plastic= less weight. Still I would like to see the radiator covered up more. And i noticed they still have the quarter turn gas cap. Hope it's not leaking any more :D.
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Now words on a new injection system for the 2011? :( I like the new frame and bodywork. The cylinder shape add to the coolnest! What about Yamaha?
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Too bad they did'nt put the link style shock on the 2strokes. Maybe next year after they get some time on it.
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Unbeatable is the power-to-weight ratio, lower cost of acquisition and maintenance, and simple to service and rebuild,which allows a piston change without having studied engineering.
:D
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Too bad they did'nt put the link style shock on the 2strokes. Maybe next year after they get some time on it.
They said that the two stroke perform better w/ the PDS than the linkage because of the manner the power is giving. Being that the 2011 two strokes did get a redesigned swing arm I believe they r telling the truth and not just lazy to put the linkage on them.
"Why PDS for the two-strokes?
The directly linked PDS shock has turned out to be the best solution for the two-strokes. Two-Strokes have a totally different engine characteristic than four-strokes and also a different centre of gravity. Many tests have proven that the PDS rear suspension fits better to the lighter and more nervous characteristics of the two-strokes. With the lighter PDS system, the two-strokes will keep a major weight benefit, also in the future."
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I knew they must have reason, thanks for sharing BAAARAAAP!!
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The 2011 side plates are a hell of a lot bigger than the 2010s. Ignore the black and look at the whole thing.
Thank goodness they seem to have realized how dreadful the previous side panels looked.
I like PDS, no link systems,it's what I want on a bike.
But not giving the 2t SXs the linkage rear end will keep more people off them than it keeps on them - there's just so much prejudice against no link systems amongst MXers, especially in the US. ::) Lack of linkage might just give more riders a reason to jump ship to KTM 4ts, unfortunately.
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Many tests have proven that the PDS rear suspension fits better to the lighter and more nervous characteristics of the two-strokes. With the lighter PDS system, the two-strokes will keep a major weight benefit, also in the future."
Pbbbbffffffttttt.Pure,unadulterated,shameless marketing B.S.It's cheaper to keep it that way than redesign a new bike around a linkage system.Personally,I love the PDS idea,but all three I've had were noticeably inferior to a decent linkage system.
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The 2011 side plates are a hell of a lot bigger than the 2010s. Ignore the black and look at the whole thing.
I don't know man,looking at the pic at the top of this page the plate,fender,airbox look like three separate pieces.Maybe you're supposed to put one number on each ;)
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Many tests have proven that the PDS rear suspension fits better to the lighter and more nervous characteristics of the two-strokes. With the lighter PDS system, the two-strokes will keep a major weight benefit, also in the future."
Pbbbbffffffttttt.Pure,unadulterated,shameless marketing B.S.It's cheaper to keep it that way than redesign a new bike around a linkage system.Personally,I love the PDS idea,but all three I've had were noticeably inferior to a decent linkage system.
exactly what i was thinking as i read the press release Ford. i have ridden on the PDS since '99 and it has gotten much better since it's inception but it has a certain feel to it that's kinda dead, if you will. i am so lazy anymore when it comes to working on bikes i love not having a grease a linkage so i embrace it. if i had a linkage bike i would have to drill and tap it for zerk fittings like they used to in the old days.
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The older KTMs weren't bad, if you used the airbox there was plenty of room. I used the normal sized numbers on mine:
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u173/mx_racer934/P9090402.jpg)
I got to agree that it was marketing BS for there explanation of not having put linkage on there 2ts. I got to say though I like not having to grease the linkage on my bike. It even says in the manual not to grease the shock pivot on the swingarm because it uses a teflon bearing, and grease would break it down.
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i was watching the 6 minute promo video with Stephen Everts and the new KTM 350 4 stroke at work today. as they showed Everts riding the bike you can hear a two stroke on the video. then you see it, a 250SX doing laps (i think Sleeter riding) with Everts. i thought it was kinda funny.
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Lol,I noticed the same thing.
Hey Ktm guy,on a sort of related note,I never greased mine either but the second time I replaced them I went with pivot works(early stuff crap imo but later improved) which has no coating.I greased the crap out of them with maxima waterproof and they far outlasted stock-and were still tight when I sold it.
As for the linkage thing,I curse it whenever I have to work on it given how absurdly simple my KTM's and Berg were.
The PDS I found was just peachy 90% of the time-especially trail riding-but when pushed harder it just could match up to a good link system imo.Granted,my last was an 05 but people I ride with these days still complain of the same issues-just not so much as in years past.
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When the new pumpkins gonna hit the stealership floors??Anybody knows?? I love them!!!!
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Oh my god. I just read the part about the four strokes. Sadly, KTM is also somewhat like the Japanese. I find this article slightly funny even because of how they exaggerate everything and somehow fail to mention a single fault in their design. For example, this one cracks me up ;D:
"The well proven ¼-turn fuel cap allows easy and quick refilling and includes a security against unwanted turning"
I, and many people with KTM's hate this gas cap because it leaks heavily and the "security against unwanted turning" thing sometimes tends to jam and "secure" the cap against any turning, unwanted or otherwise...
Other thing that is really scary to me- for exaple the 350 engine has DLC coated valve train parts, titanium valves, two oil pumps and apparently a dry sump, balancing shafts, hydraulic camshaft chain tensioners, fuel injection with temp, pressure and other sensors, AC generator, goes up to 13 000 RPM and probably has one of those piston with barely enough room for the rings. I mean that is COMPLICATED. Imagine how many things can go wrong. they constantly boast about the amazing power etc, and with such high RPM, it probably won't be too reliable. How much will the parts cost ??? DLC coated cam shafts? Titanium valves etc... :O ??? Oh my they even have a capacitor somewhere in the handle bars for the electric start if I understand it right.
I'm so glad I know better and hopefully will never buy anything like this :D.
I pitty people who will fall for this "Everts made this bike" deal :(. Why buy a ridiculously complicated 350 cc four stroke? There is a bike that should have just about the same characteristics but without all the headaches, and is in production for many decades... It's called a 250 two stroke. :D That's what I think.
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Oh my god. I just read the part about the four strokes. Sadly, KTM is also somewhat like the Japanese. I find this article slightly funny even because of how they exaggerate everything and somehow fail to mention a single fault in their design. For example, this one cracks me up ;D:
"The well proven ¼-turn fuel cap allows easy and quick refilling and includes a security against unwanted turning"
I, and many people with KTM's hate this gas cap because it leaks heavily and the "security against unwanted turning" thing sometimes tends to jam and "secure" the cap against any turning, unwanted or otherwise...
Other thing that is really scary to me- for exaple the 350 engine has DLC coated valve train parts, titanium valves, two oil pumps and apparently a dry sump, balancing shafts, hydraulic camshaft chain tensioners, fuel injection with temp, pressure and other sensors, AC generator, goes up to 13 000 RPM and probably has one of those piston with barely enough room for the rings. I mean that is COMPLICATED. Imagine how many things can go wrong. they constantly boast about the amazing power etc, and with such high RPM, it probably won't be too reliable. How much will the parts cost ??? DLC coated cam shafts? Titanium valves etc... :O ??? Oh my they even have a capacitor somewhere in the handle bars for the electric start if I understand it right.
I'm so glad I know better and hopefully will never buy anything like this :D.
I pitty people who will fall for this "Everts made this bike" deal :(. Why buy a ridiculously complicated 350 cc four stroke? There is a bike that should have just about the same characteristics but without all the headaches, and is in production for many decades... It's called a 250 two stroke. :D That's what I think.
What he said.