Post by: ford832 on April 24, 2013, 01:06:33 AM
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/639262ef-b921-4def-99e3-d61868616226.aspx
Post by: msambuco on April 24, 2013, 02:36:05 AM
Post by: evo550 on April 24, 2013, 03:14:59 AM
If it ain't orange it's a lemon.
Post by: msambuco on April 24, 2013, 03:56:51 AM
Post by: TMKIWI on April 24, 2013, 06:35:43 AM
You do know that there is another blue bike that has all those extra's and some standard.
Post by: 2T Institute on April 24, 2013, 07:49:52 AM
There would be no need to buy a carbon fibre brake duct when you could make on for $5 out of aluminium or carbon fibre yourself.
Post by: SwapperMX on April 24, 2013, 09:58:34 AM
Post by: ford832 on April 24, 2013, 10:12:41 PM
Yeah, the way MXA currently promote Yamaha's YZ two stroke range, they would want to be getting some kickbacks !!
Yeah,I know eh?Bastards,promoting a two stroke and even being so brazen as to do a full article on what one of their editors did to his own personal two stroke machine
WTF? 
Where's the fourstrokes?It's not fair.You should start a petition swapper,I'll be the first to sign it. 
TMKIWI,what is this "other blue bike" of which you speak,I am not familiar with such a thing.Perhaps it only exists in your imagination.
Evo,you're right,it did take a few bucks to "bring it up to scratch" KTM wise.On the other hand,prices being what they are around here-I could do the same and end up with pretty equal machinery albeit with the best stock suspension in the biz,and be still be left with about 1500 clams to help pay race fees,more gear,spares and middle-aged drunken divorcees.
2t institute,I could tell you what I've done to mine as well but I would have to name the products,thereby making me guilty of in your face adverts as well.I'll admit the brake scoop is pretty gay but on the other hand,95% or the young dirt bike riding population can't turn a suspension clicker-let alone make anything.
Msambuco,the shootout is a great idea,regardless of the outcome.
Post by: SwapperMX on April 24, 2013, 11:43:25 PM
Yeah, the way MXA currently promote Yamaha's YZ two stroke range, they would want to be getting some kickbacks !!
Yeah,I know eh?Bastards,promoting a two stroke and even being so brazen as to do a full article on what one of their editors did to his own personal two stroke machine
TMKIWI,what is this "other blue bike" of which you speak,I am not familiar with such a thing.Perhaps it only exists in your imagination.
Evo,you're right,it did take a few bucks to "bring it up to scratch" KTM wise.On the other hand,prices being what they are around here-I could do the same and end up with pretty equal machinery albeit with the best stock suspension in the biz,and be still be left with about 1500 clams to help pay race fees,more gear,spares and middle-aged drunken divorcees.
2t institute,I could tell you what I've done to mine as well but I would have to name the products,thereby making me guilty of in your face adverts as well.I'll admit the brake scoop is pretty gay but on the other hand,95% or the young dirt bike riding population can't turn a suspension clicker-let alone make anything.
Msambuco,the shootout is a great idea,regardless of the outcome.
Are you drunk Ford?? I was responding to 2T Institute's post. MXA have done a lot of shameless promotion of Yamaha's two stroke range lately, nothing wrong with it, I was just pointing it out. It was a good article as far as what he did to it, and the fact that he wanted to keep all the mods under what it would have cost to buy one four stroke exhaust system. You carrying on about four strokes, and petitions, well that is just delusional.
Post by: ford832 on April 25, 2013, 12:06:38 AM
I do however appreciate you pointing that MXA has been doing "shameless promotion" of the YZ line.Seriously?
Everyone blatts about not getting enough 2t coverage but when it happens,the mags should be ashamed of themselves for doing it.Really?
I've been reading a lot of good stuff recently about a lot of 2t's in the mags.It never occurred to me that DB should be ashamed of themselves for calling the 300 Beta bike of the year.Maybe they should have been,for some reason.
DB has an article on a young YZ desert racer in this months issue,I guess they should be ashamed of that too..
The same issue has an article on the new Beta 250 2t electric start.The header says "INCREDIBLE New electric start two stroke Beta 250 RR" Shame,shame.
You either need to move over to "Four Strokes Only" or you don't know what the term means.Let me help.....
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shameless
Post by: SwapperMX on April 25, 2013, 12:33:51 AM
Shameless implies a lack of modesty, sense of decency, or regard for others' rights or feelings: a shameless liar; a shameless accusation.
My use of the word is correct, and I believe that was exactly what they are doing. They don't care if most people are mainly interested in four strokes, they want to promote two strokes and dont care what other people feel about it.
You are confusing it with the word shameful. Go use that dictionary of yours, and spend some time reading it.
Also keep attacking me if you want, like you are some sort of big dog. I am trying to add some decent input to this forum, get off your high horse !!!
Post by: ford832 on April 25, 2013, 12:55:00 AM
BTW,quoting my dictionary link verbatim doesn't really prove anything but...yeah..whatever..have a good day.
These adjectives apply to that which defies social or moral proprieties and is marked by a bold lack of shame. Shameless implies a lack of modesty, sense of decency, or regard for others' rights or feelings: a shameless liar; a shameless accusation.
Post by: SwapperMX on April 25, 2013, 01:06:24 AM
Having a bad day bud ??
Post by: ford832 on April 25, 2013, 01:35:03 AM
Once again, try and prove you are better than everyone else. Sarcasm shines through.
Having a bad day bud ??
Not in the least swapper,I'm having a good day.For the record,I'm not trying to prove anything to everyone else,I've been solely talking to you and quoted your post-no one elses.
I merely pointed out that you directly quoted my link word for word-which you did.Whatever that proves or doesn't prove to you is fine by me-take it as you like.
I'm glad you noticed the sarcasm though.
As I said previously when I thought I was done with this little conversation,have a good day.
Post by: SwapperMX on April 25, 2013, 01:41:03 AM
Once again, try and prove you are better than everyone else. Sarcasm shines through.
Having a bad day bud ??
Not in the least swapper,I'm having a good day.For the record,I'm not trying to prove anything to everyone else,I've been solely talking to you and quoted your post-no one elses.
I merely pointed out that you directly quoted my link word for word-which you did.Whatever that proves or doesn't prove to you is fine by me-take it as you like.
I'm glad you noticed the sarcasm though.
As I said previously when I thought I was done with this little conversation,have a good day.
Oh I will. Make sure you spend some time reading that dictionary and reigning in those irrational thoughts of yours !!
Post by: ford832 on April 25, 2013, 01:46:37 AM
Post by: SwapperMX on April 25, 2013, 01:51:23 AM
Post by: citabjockey on April 25, 2013, 05:28:16 AM
There would be no need to buy a carbon fibre brake duct when you could make on for $5 out of aluminium or carbon fibre yourself.
Post by: evo550 on April 25, 2013, 05:36:08 AM
Post by: vetman on April 25, 2013, 05:49:04 AM
Post by: SwapperMX on April 25, 2013, 05:53:03 AM
MXA isn't a magazine, it's an expensive color catalogue with a couple of small articles inserted.
Spot on Evo, has been that way for a number of years.
Post by: SwapperMX on April 25, 2013, 06:01:04 AM
I heard it was owned by yamaha
Not sure, Ford might know !!
Post by: TMKIWI on April 25, 2013, 07:03:33 AM
Post by: ford832 on April 25, 2013, 10:18:53 AM
You two should get a room.
Couldn't do it,these relentless little jabs of his are hurting me-I have feelings you know.
Post by: SachsGS on April 25, 2013, 03:11:32 PM
Post by: _X_ on April 25, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
Post by: evo550 on April 25, 2013, 11:37:08 PM
racer x is drunk, what of it? you all got a sissy belly?
....Yeah, but you have a vagina that talks to you....can we get a talking vagina emoticon on this forum?
Post by: ford832 on April 25, 2013, 11:53:25 PM
racer x is drunk, what of it? you all got a sissy belly?
....Yeah, but you have a vagina that talks to you....can we get a talking vagina emoticon on this forum?
Way to go Evo,now you've pissed swapper off again.
Post by: ford832 on April 25, 2013, 11:57:16 PM
Why doesn't MXA build an "Ultimate SX250"? While the Yamaha is a good,solid platform why not use the most current, highly developed 2T 250 motocrosser?
I would expect it's because the SX is the benchmark right now and that's why you're seeing the YZ's and other Euro's featured more right now.
As for The Ultimate SX 250,ck out the April issue of Dirt Bike for "Project Mosquito Killer" where they turn a new 250 SX into a 300 SX.Pretty cool article.
Some have mentioned here about the mags being mostly adverts.It's true but they are a business and need the ad bucks to keep publishing-and the print medium is dying.When it all goes electronic,that will be it for me for mags.I hate reading them on the computer.
Post by: motoxr377 on April 26, 2013, 04:13:43 AM
Why doesn't MXA build an "Ultimate SX250"? While the Yamaha is a good,solid platform why not use the most current, highly developed 2T 250 motocrosser?
check out May 2012, it's the same issue this article originally appeared in. The 250sx they built was a good read, just as the yz250 was. I enjoy this magazine, and feel that the staff has given good support for two-strokes, which is the same reason we choose this forum.
Post by: Stusmoke on April 26, 2013, 05:30:45 AM
Article is cool I reckon. And it is a badass bike.
Post by: 2T Institute on April 27, 2013, 04:40:49 AM
2t institute,I could tell you what I've done to mine as well but I would have to name the products,thereby making me guilty of in your face adverts as well.I'll admit the brake scoop is pretty gay but on the other hand,95% or the young dirt bike riding population can't turn a suspension clicker-let alone make anything.
You can but you wouldn't get published in a magazine. Simple fact is the article tells nothing new or in depth just a long list of product placements. I don't buy the magazine but when I have looked through it looks to be 75% adverts.
Post by: ford832 on April 27, 2013, 05:34:14 PM
I look at it more of what he did to personalize his own steed.I might have agreed with you had it not been for that gay brake scoop thingy.That's so useless it has to be personal thing...maybe....
Post by: citabjockey on April 27, 2013, 09:10:51 PM
I might have agreed with you had it not been for that gay brake scoop thingy.That's so useless it has to be personal thing...maybe....
Post by: rlaj1004 on April 28, 2013, 03:44:50 PM
you had it not been for that gay brake scoop thingy.That's so useless it has to be personal thing...maybe....
Oh I don't know I think that brake scoop thingy would really be good for catch every spare chunk of mud, rocks, sand, gravel and jamming the shit all up in your caliper. And it makes a good little holder for heat too. Ought to get your brake fluid boiling. Just my opinion.
Post by: evo550 on May 03, 2013, 10:11:54 AM
http://www.bauermedia.com.hk/australasian_dirt_bike.htm
Circulation 22,000? I think they need more advertising.
I don't read that one much either.
www.vmxmag.com.au is by far the best dirt bike magazine you will ever lay your eyes on, and it's circulation is probably even less, but that's because it has lots of words in a row that form a thing called a sentence, something you guys in the Americas, can't quite grasp the concept of.
www.transmoto.com.au is the best of the modern mags.
Post by: _X_ on May 03, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
Post by: evo550 on May 03, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
no evo it was meant to be funny,Hmmmm....so was I. Different humor culture I guess. No more remarks about your sensitive vagina I promise.
Post by: evo550 on May 03, 2013, 11:49:45 AM
, are you now going to direct me to your ominous photo much like you did to ford a few threads back.......and your point is ?
Post by: ford832 on May 03, 2013, 12:37:31 PM
As I look over my shoulder at my bookshelf I see a few interesting titles-Captain Scott,War and Peace,The Brothers Karamazov(I find Russian novels a bit dry-maybe it's the translation)Chesapeake(Michener-any of his are fantastic)When the Chestnut was in Flower(Chestnut Canoe history)The Invasion of Canada(Pierre Berton-Canadian History)and the Qur'an to name a few
Captain Scott did have few pics of his ill fated expedition though.If a Vintage off road bike mag from Oz is your benchmark for literary excellence Evo then well,good for you.Just so you know though,there are far better things out there read by others-even in the illiterate "Americas"
Can you post that pic racerx,i forget which it was,I guess my mind is slipping
Post by: Jeram on May 03, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
I like old stuff but a vintage mag catering to a bunch of old buggers from butt-fruck nowhere Australia is likely not the definitive authority on the off road motorcycle world.I followed the link but do find there are far too many pictorials for my liking.
As I look over my shoulder at my bookshelf I see a few interesting titles-Captain Scott,War and Peace,The Brothers Karamazov(I find Russian novels a bit dry-maybe it's the translation)Chesapeake(Michener-any of his are fantastic)When the Chestnut was in Flower(Chestnut Canoe history)The Invasion of Canada(Pierre Berton-Canadian History)and the Qur'an to name a few
Captain Scott did have few pics of his ill fated expedition though.If a Vintage off road bike mag from Oz is your benchmark for literary excellence Evo then well,good for you.Just so you know though,there are far better things out there read by others-even in the illiterate "Americas"
Can you post that pic racerx,i forget which it was,I guess my mind is slipping
I think evo's point still holds because all of those texts were published long before "idiocracy" took hold. Great movie
Post by: evo550 on May 03, 2013, 01:27:48 PM
I like old stuff but a vintage mag catering to a bunch of old buggers from butt-fruck nowhere Australia is likely not the definitive authority on the off road motorcycle world.I followed the link but do find there are far too many pictorials for my liking.
As I look over my shoulder at my bookshelf I see a few interesting titles-Captain Scott,War and Peace,The Brothers Karamazov(I find Russian novels a bit dry-maybe it's the translation)Chesapeake(Michener-any of his are fantastic)When the Chestnut was in Flower(Chestnut Canoe history)The Invasion of Canada(Pierre Berton-Canadian History)and the Qur'an to name a few
Captain Scott did have few pics of his ill fated expedition though.If a Vintage off road bike mag from Oz is your benchmark for literary excellence Evo then well,good for you.Just so you know though,there are far better things out there read by others-even in the illiterate "Americas"
Can you post that pic racerx,i forget which it was,I guess my mind is slipping
OK I'll consider it a draw, You look at Jody weisels pictures in MXA, and I'll read all Rick "Super Hunky" Seimens articles in VMX.
Post by: _X_ on May 03, 2013, 03:53:33 PM
no point, its funny to me, i figured you were joking and i as well am being sarcastic. its all good. i just refuse to use those smiley face caricatures or lol for that matter you just have to trust me., are you now going to direct me to your ominous photo much like you did to ford a few threads back.......and your point is ?
Post by: _X_ on May 03, 2013, 04:04:48 PM
I like old stuff but a vintage mag catering to a bunch of old buggers from butt-fruck nowhere Australia is likely not the definitive authority on the off road motorcycle world.I followed the link but do find there are far too many pictorials for my liking.here is the post, evo was pissed cause you don't like aussies and he was going to crush your skull.
As I look over my shoulder at my bookshelf I see a few interesting titles-Captain Scott,War and Peace,The Brothers Karamazov(I find Russian novels a bit dry-maybe it's the translation)Chesapeake(Michener-any of his are fantastic)When the Chestnut was in Flower(Chestnut Canoe history)The Invasion of Canada(Pierre Berton-Canadian History)and the Qur'an to name a few
Captain Scott did have few pics of his ill fated expedition though.If a Vintage off road bike mag from Oz is your benchmark for literary excellence Evo then well,good for you.Just so you know though,there are far better things out there read by others-even in the illiterate "Americas"
Can you post that pic racerx,i forget which it was,I guess my mind is slipping
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Post by: ford832 on May 03, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
I'm not sure I'd be all that enthused about reading something from some guy who calls himself "Super Hunky Semen" to each his own I suppose
.Fwiw,I've read some some good stuff of his,and a lot of idiocy.It never ceases to amaze me some see him as "the dirt bike authority" for reasons unbeknownst to me.I wouldn't argue that text has gotten less and less as years go by.I wouldn't put it as a geographical thing but more catering to the modern day short attention span generation.That's how everything has gone these days.Modern day,the young skim stuff and move on to the next item or bit of info.I can flip back 20 yrs through bike mags and see the difference.
Advertising is a separate thing.It's a necessary though hated evil but the ads will soon stop-somewhat at least as printed media dies.
Fwiw,printed books are going away also.It's just as well I'll likely be worm bait in a few years as I likely won't enjoy what we've become anyway.
Post by: TMKIWI on May 03, 2013, 11:56:42 PM
I think evo's point still holds because all of those texts were published long before "idiocracy" took hold. Great movie
Thanks for that Jeram. I saw that movie a couple of years ago and have been trying to remember the name of it lately.
Fair bit of truth in the movie as the 'stupid' have more children then the ''average', who are too busy having a career.
At least I will be dust by then.
Post by: Stusmoke on May 04, 2013, 12:13:31 AM
I think evo's point still holds because all of those texts were published long before "idiocracy" took hold. Great movie
Thanks for that Jeram. I saw that movie a couple of years ago and have been trying to remember the name of it lately.
Fair bit of truth in the movie as the 'stupid' have more children then the ''average', who are too busy having a career.
At least I will be dust by then.
I gotta live with it though
Post by: citabjockey on May 04, 2013, 01:51:47 AM
http://www.motoretroillustrated.com/
But I am biased -- all of it is pointed right at me. Vintage City (me and the content). But, nice writing and digging by the authors, amazing photos and some great little known stories here and there.
Suffers from a common malady.
Not enough advertisers. Having trouble putting out issues.
Print is on life support these days.
Ok, back to your regularly scheduled arguments folks!
Post by: Stusmoke on May 04, 2013, 02:19:58 AM
Ok, back to your regularly scheduled arguments folks!
YAY!!!! So who thinks KTM two strokes are vastly superior to Yamaha two strokes?
Post by: chump6784 on May 04, 2013, 04:50:08 AM
On the actual bike though, other than the suspension it seemed he was trying to make it as good as a stock KTM
Post by: citabjockey on May 04, 2013, 06:23:23 AM
Just Say'in
Post by: 2T Institute on May 04, 2013, 07:34:07 AM
I dont see what the problem is with this article. Jody was modifying the yz to be the best for him and listed the products he used. Yeah it might be product placement but it wasnt reviewing a stock bike, it was modifying a bike and that takes aftermarket parts.The article was worse than any late night infomercial, it is a complete stinker.It was blatantly obvious product placements. Weisel has has forgot the basics of journalism and soul his soul, lost what little credabilty he had and has become just another PR spruiker for whoever gives him free products in return for favourable publicity.
Mitch Bohem is doing a great job with Moto Retro Illustrated
Post by: Stusmoke on May 04, 2013, 08:03:58 AM
I dont see what the problem is with this article. Jody was modifying the yz to be the best for him and listed the products he used. Yeah it might be product placement but it wasnt reviewing a stock bike, it was modifying a bike and that takes aftermarket parts.The article was worse than any late night infomercial, it is a complete stinker.It was blatantly obvious product placements. Weisel has has forgot the basics of journalism and soul his soul, lost what little credabilty he had and has become just another PR spruiker for whoever gives him free products in return for favourable publicity.
Mitch Bohem is doing a great job with Moto Retro Illustrated
Who WOULDN'T sell their journalism soul for free parts? As for obvious product placement, I read no such thing. All I read was his opinions of the products he used. Then again it could have been the result of a couple hundred from each manufacturer. No realistic way of knowing.
Post by: TMKIWI on May 04, 2013, 08:16:57 AM
Come on boy's this is not vital.
And btw, I wouldn't buy either.
Post by: SachsGS on May 04, 2013, 03:13:10 PM
Post by: evo550 on May 04, 2013, 11:05:09 PM
To do an objective "ultimate" build, they should have compared products from a number of different sources and tried different combinations....to come up with the best bike.
Post by: SwapperMX on May 04, 2013, 11:36:44 PM
The problem with product placement (if that's what this is) in articles like this and the KTM one, is that it removes the objectiveness of the writer. If pro circuit pays MXA to do something like this, then you as the reader are just getting told what Pro circuit wants you to hear, not what the writer actually thinks of the product.
To do an objective "ultimate" build, they should have compared products from a number of different sources and tried different combinations....to come up with the best bike.
Spot on Evo, that is the difference !! Would definitely be an interesting read if done that way.
Post by: Stusmoke on May 05, 2013, 01:10:04 AM
Funny how this thread has turned into a bashing about product placement, but the same thread on the ultimate KTM hasn't.
Come on boy's this is not vital.
And btw, I wouldn't buy either.
Forward slash thumpertalk. I agree.
Post by: ford832 on May 05, 2013, 01:58:45 AM
It's one man's take on what he likes in a bike using products of his choosing-regardless of what some may think the real or imagined motivations,these are all products/services commonly used by 2t owners all over.A Pro Circuit agenda?Seriously?Their products and abilities are well known,as are those of bones bacon's suspension work.
Steahly fww,Vforce reeds,everything but the brake scoop thing is a good-and common choice.I run an FMF combo but the fact he didn't choose what I use doesn't mean he's being paid to use it.For what he's using it for,it's likely the best choice.
I've read hundreds of "build" articles like this over the years in all mags and this is the first time I've run across these bizarre responses.
Why would he be testing a bunch of different things?That's just dumb.It's not a pipe,reed,or fww shootout after all.
Take it for what it is,a 2t build in a bike mag using commonly used products-nothing more.
Post by: ford832 on May 05, 2013, 02:07:38 AM
Ok, back to your regularly scheduled arguments folks!
YAY!!!! So who thinks KTM two strokes are vastly superior to Yamaha two strokes?
I do,based solely on the fact KTM has been developing the 2t engine all these years.
Post by: msambuco on May 05, 2013, 02:13:09 AM
Post by: ford832 on May 05, 2013, 02:16:45 AM
Post by: msambuco on May 05, 2013, 02:48:31 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 05, 2013, 04:54:22 AM
Possibly,but anything that fires every time it comes up may be considered premature-and uncool-depending on circumstances at the time.
Quite a problem with you oldie yanks apparently...
At least it still works!
Yes yes you cling to that beacon of you hope keep telling yourself
Post by: 2T Institute on May 05, 2013, 11:39:30 AM
Who WOULDN'T sell their journalism soul for free parts? As for obvious product placement, I read no such thing. All I read was his opinions of the products he used. Then again it could have been the result of a couple hundred from each manufacturer. No realistic way of knowing.
Someone who still has their dignity, self respect , integrity and above all else the commonsense not to become a hollow sell out. You could do with some reading on what the "Cash for Comment" scandal uncovered and start religiously viewing ABC's Media Watch at 9.20 every Monday night. After a few weeks you will have the skills to spot blatantly obvious product placements. Most films are full of product placement adverts (for locations as well).
The problem with product placement (if that's what this is) in articles like this and the KTM one, is that it removes the objectiveness of the writer. If pro circuit pays MXA to do something like this, then you as the reader are just getting told what Pro circuit wants you to hear, not what the writer actually thinks of the product.
To do an objective "ultimate" build, they should have compared products from a number of different sources and tried different combinations....to come up with the best bike.
That's about the size of it Evo, moreover they treat the reader with contempt.
Post by: Stusmoke on May 06, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
Who WOULDN'T sell their journalism soul for free parts? As for obvious product placement, I read no such thing. All I read was his opinions of the products he used. Then again it could have been the result of a couple hundred from each manufacturer. No realistic way of knowing.
Someone who still has their dignity, self respect , integrity and above all else the commonsense not to become a hollow sell out. You could do with some reading on what the "Cash for Comment" scandal uncovered and start religiously viewing ABC's Media Watch at 9.20 every Monday night. After a few weeks you will have the skills to spot blatantly obvious product placements. Most films are full of product placement adverts (for locations as well).The problem with product placement (if that's what this is) in articles like this and the KTM one, is that it removes the objectiveness of the writer. If pro circuit pays MXA to do something like this, then you as the reader are just getting told what Pro circuit wants you to hear, not what the writer actually thinks of the product.
To do an objective "ultimate" build, they should have compared products from a number of different sources and tried different combinations....to come up with the best bike.
That's about the size of it Evo, moreover they treat the reader with contempt.
Mmmmmhmm, yeah course you wouldn't talk up showa A-kit suspension if they offered you a free set of forks... Nah what sort of self loathing undignified jackass would do that. Get real.