Post by: rmpilot on January 29, 2013, 05:11:09 PM
looks like ktm wrapping up buying the company. there are three possible reason. sell the bikes, eliminate the brand or purely to expand production. what do you guys think?
Post by: eprovenzano on January 29, 2013, 05:39:33 PM
I thought KTM was going to use Husky as a development tool to test items before bringing then into the KTM line, example 2 stroke EFI/DI etc. But now... if the price was right, and BMW needed the cash it could be just to protect their interest/investment.. I foresee them selling it off, while retaining part ownership, at some point in the future. Its all about the money...
Post by: beaner on January 29, 2013, 06:07:52 PM
KTM's CEO and part owner is buying it with his other company.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on January 29, 2013, 06:29:33 PM
Its all about the money...
Its a business. Its the same reason for most things that happen in the world of dirtbikes.
Post by: Stusmoke on January 29, 2013, 09:48:14 PM
Oh and their bikes kick arse too.
Post by: Chrisshire on January 29, 2013, 10:00:06 PM
Post by: beaner on January 29, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
Post by: evo550 on January 30, 2013, 01:51:43 AM
Husqvarna has been bought and sold many times since they where first bought out by Cagiva in 1987, but the bikes keep rolling out.
KTM also have stakes in Husaberg and Beta, but those brands keep manufacturing bikes...with a bit of KTM infulence. This sort of thing is going on all the time, we just don't hear about it alot.
Post by: motoman356 on January 30, 2013, 06:58:30 AM
Post by: shanes on January 30, 2013, 07:31:57 AM
Holy crap. Thats quite disappointing but we all knew it was coming. KTM is a lucky company when it comes to money. Unlike the big four, they don't have other departments that are tied into their budget for the year. Yamaha makes boats, jet skis, musical instruments. Honda has their fingers in lawn mowers, cars, boats, power equipment and so on. Being a pure dirt bike company they can pour all the money into the one thing that they do: Bikes.
Oh and their bikes kick arse too.
Not entirely true KTM just about went belly up 2-3 years ago because of the X-Bow they done there number on selling 4000 units they sold 400 , my friend was running the company that made all their carbon products in thailand , he priced the X-bow but they decided to go out and buy a company that produce carbon products in Europe and make it themselves it was a total disaster , it just about rolled them .
Post by: Stusmoke on January 30, 2013, 08:25:01 AM
Holy crap. Thats quite disappointing but we all knew it was coming. KTM is a lucky company when it comes to money. Unlike the big four, they don't have other departments that are tied into their budget for the year. Yamaha makes boats, jet skis, musical instruments. Honda has their fingers in lawn mowers, cars, boats, power equipment and so on. Being a pure dirt bike company they can pour all the money into the one thing that they do: Bikes.
Oh and their bikes kick arse too.
Not entirely true KTM just about went belly up 2-3 years ago because of the X-Bow they done there number on selling 4000 units they sold 400 , my friend was running the company that made all their carbon products in thailand , he priced the X-bow but they decided to go out and buy a company that produce carbon products in Europe and make it themselves it was a total disaster , it just about rolled them .
Well I'm glad it didn't
Quick question what is an X-bow? Is it KTMs attempt to branch into gaming consoles?
Post by: TMKIWI on January 30, 2013, 08:34:25 AM
The CEO Stefan Pierer backed by Indian company Baja which has a major shareholding in KTM, are buying it.
Hell for Leather is reporting that KTM CEO Stefan Pierer is finalizing a deal to acquire BMW?s subsidiary offroad motorcycle marque, Husqvarna, via Pierer Industries AG. Pierer is part owner in KTM through shares in Cross AG, which is also backed by Indian moto giant Bajaj. It was originally thought that KTM was vying to acquire the small motor maker outright, but as more information has come in, the situation has gotten more nuanced.
HFL goes on to quote Nieuwsmotor?s Iwan van der Valk on how the deal is apparently going down:
?It?s not KTM that is buying Husqvarna, but KTM?s CEO and part-owner Stefan Pierer. He bought it with his ?other? company Pierer Industries AG. This is not connected to Cross AG, the owner company in which both Pierer and Bajaj hold shares. The next six months will be spent looking how Husqvarna can cooperate with KTM but a new model is already promised to revealed at the 2013 EICMA in november.?
Others are weighing in on the deal, concluding that this is less about one offroad focused company buying another, but instead about a bigger play from Bajaj. From moto journalist Mark Gardiner:
?KTM?s a great, but small, company. It?s easy to see the impending purchase of Husqvarna for what it is, another move by the big Indian motorcycle company, Bajaj ? which already owns a big piece of KTM ? to diversify its portfolio of brands, manufacturing capability, and design talent.?
The move comes as a surprise from a BMW observer point of view. BMW?s investment in the brand was not insubstantial and it seems like their efforts to truly grow the marque were just really getting started. Perhaps BMW thought it better to stay focused on its own lineup of motorcycles and leave the niche motorcycles to others. Stay tuned as we keep tabs on this developing story.
Post by: shanes on January 30, 2013, 08:37:51 AM
Holy crap. Thats quite disappointing but we all knew it was coming. KTM is a lucky company when it comes to money. Unlike the big four, they don't have other departments that are tied into their budget for the year. Yamaha makes boats, jet skis, musical instruments. Honda has their fingers in lawn mowers, cars, boats, power equipment and so on. Being a pure dirt bike company they can pour all the money into the one thing that they do: Bikes.
Oh and their bikes kick arse too.
Not entirely true KTM just about went belly up 2-3 years ago because of the X-Bow they done there number on selling 4000 units they sold 400 , my friend was running the company that made all their carbon products in thailand , he priced the X-bow but they decided to go out and buy a company that produce carbon products in Europe and make it themselves it was a total disaster , it just about rolled them .
Well I'm glad it didn't
Post by: Stusmoke on January 30, 2013, 08:44:06 AM
Holy crap. Thats quite disappointing but we all knew it was coming. KTM is a lucky company when it comes to money. Unlike the big four, they don't have other departments that are tied into their budget for the year. Yamaha makes boats, jet skis, musical instruments. Honda has their fingers in lawn mowers, cars, boats, power equipment and so on. Being a pure dirt bike company they can pour all the money into the one thing that they do: Bikes.
Oh and their bikes kick arse too.
Not entirely true KTM just about went belly up 2-3 years ago because of the X-Bow they done there number on selling 4000 units they sold 400 , my friend was running the company that made all their carbon products in thailand , he priced the X-bow but they decided to go out and buy a company that produce carbon products in Europe and make it themselves it was a total disaster , it just about rolled them .
Well I'm glad it didn't
A simply: "Badass piece of kit" Would have sufficed. Now I'm gonna be having dirty dreams about that thing for a week
Post by: shanes on January 30, 2013, 08:46:15 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on January 30, 2013, 08:50:45 AM
Post by: shanes on January 30, 2013, 09:43:44 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on January 30, 2013, 10:05:22 AM
is powered by a turbocharged 2.0-liter Audi inline-four that produces 240 horsepower and 229 lb-ft of torque from 2,000 to 5,500 rpm. That's enough to rocket the flyweight X-Bow from zero-to-60 mpg in under four seconds. The only available transmission is a traditional six-speed manual. A standard limited-slip differential helps to optimize traction in the rear-wheel-drive X-Bow.
Holy crap? That is insane torque for such low revs and an engine of that size. How the hell did they do it?
Post by: beaner on January 30, 2013, 10:18:32 AM
Holy crap? That is insane torque for such low revs and an engine of that size. How the hell did they do it?
Turbo.
Post by: Stusmoke on January 30, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
Holy crap? That is insane torque for such low revs and an engine of that size. How the hell did they do it?
Turbo.
Madness more like it
But I don't understand, aren't turbos essentially a sudden burst of compression by slamming more air into your engine?
Post by: riffraff on January 30, 2013, 03:21:06 PM
Holy crap? That is insane torque for such low revs and an engine of that size. How the hell did they do it?
Turbo.
Madness more like it
Not a sudden burst but a continuous boost of compression.
Post by: beaner on January 30, 2013, 09:08:56 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on January 30, 2013, 09:48:19 PM
Supercharger output is linear. Turbocharger output is exponential. The 2.0 has either 16 or 20 valves, so it flows a lot of air, and can spool even a decent sized turbo early and hard. That's where you get the high torque and horsepower numbers at such low RPM's, by getting the turbo to spool early. The TQ and HP isn't really that high for a modern 2.0, but it is early.
Thats what I was confused about. Thats alot of power at such low RPMs.