Post by: ford832 on November 23, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
Ck out the following video.It's interesting to hear the Yamaha rep talk about them.There may be no DI,but it would appear that,unlike Honda,Yamaha isn't willing to let them go yet.
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=2013%20yamaha%20yz250&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CEcQtwIwBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEeskyI-zKJM&ei=te2wUJeaMci3ywH53YHgCQ&usg=AFQjCNGVUNG5dh3dvF1vLidfzDDHWtSFjA
Post by: _X_ on November 23, 2012, 05:50:48 PM
Post by: nom de guerre on November 24, 2012, 02:42:57 AM
Post by: TMKIWI on November 24, 2012, 04:47:44 AM
Holy #^@#,the new Yamaha!...no,sorry,just my shadow.That's it for another year........
That will wind ford up.
Post by: factoryX on November 24, 2012, 08:06:23 AM
Post by: shanes on November 24, 2012, 09:34:24 AM
SO, at this point the main selling factor of the yz 2 stroke line is that they are fun to ride..lmfao so is my $1000 03 yz250...
and they are more or less the same bike :-}}}
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on November 24, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Post by: factoryX on November 24, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
That they are, $500 on suspension and I have the same bike..SO, at this point the main selling factor of the yz 2 stroke line is that they are fun to ride..lmfao so is my $1000 03 yz250...
and they are more or less the same bike :-}}}
Post by: ford832 on November 24, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
Post by: ford832 on November 24, 2012, 02:50:54 PM
Shanes,despite many small changes,they are in many ways still the same bike.On the other hand,in almost every way except plastic,my 02 125SX KTM is still the same bike as the '12.Except for plastic little difference between the two though some on here crow about the "new models" when they change the plastic.
BTW,I have over 500 in my suspension and it's still not the same.
As for the orange ones,I've had two(three if you count the Berg) so I know what they're about also.They still don't have the suspension down(I haven't ridden the '13 yet).It would appear the issues aren't all with the no link.
nom de guerre,you obviously weren't paying attention.I was looking at the 2013 YZ in person.You may not like it because it isn't DI or whatever,but the fact remains,it's here,in person,I sat on it(also sat in the Rhino alongside it slurping my coffee while I admired it
) and if I had that kind of cash in my pocket yesterday,I could have taken it home and ridden when I got there.The main selling feature WTFFactory X,isn't that they are fun to ride(though that's a big one)but the fact you can still buy one-granted,small improvements year to year but they have added up to an excellent,reliable bike.
Yes,the KTM has a few horsies on it but then,they usually have for the last 10+ years.KTM knows how to build an engine,no doubt about that.Having said that,I doubt anyone on this site could ride the YZ250 anywhere near it's potential-or a 10-15 yr old model of any brand for that matter.
The other big selling feature,for me anyway,is that the YZ250 is still recognized as having the best suspension in the business-hands down,without exception.Not bad for "old technology,10 yr old bike"
BTW,if someone offered you a new one for free,or another used 03 with a $500 cheque,which would you take?
It's great to see the youth on this site,it reminds me of myself years ago.I used to buy in to what the mags said as well-I had 3 new bikes in 2.5 years at one point-this one supposedly way better than that,faster etc but in time,you learn.
All this fun stuff aside,what I find most interesting is that Yamaha is promoting them this way.Yes,KTM has lots of 2t's blah,blah,blah but this is one of the big Jap companies-and the only one doing it.Honda says they're 4t,Kawasaki's and Suzuki's have gone away in this market(except the 80 they use to fill a void in their line) and have stated no interest.
The fact that Yamaha is promoting them leads me to believe something new may be coming down the pipe.
Yamaha is known for playing their cards pretty close to their chest so something may well be coming in a year or two.Time will tell.
Post by: nom de guerre on November 24, 2012, 03:07:54 PM
Post by: cnrcpla on November 24, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
PS What exactly should they change? They already have great suspension, a powerful motor, and an alu. frame. The only big thing I can see to change would be switching to DI/EFI which they may not be ready for. There isn't much more to change that would make the new YZ's revolutionary or "new" IMHO.
Post by: ford832 on November 24, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
I don't like the new 4t's either and wouldn't put one of those kits on mine.I do like the bodywork or the previous generation of Yamaha 4t-and wished mine looked like that.
BTW,when I had my SX I always wished I had that engine in a YZ250 chassis,that would have been,and still would be a perfect bike for me.It's a shame I don't believe in putting one brands engine in anothers chassis like that.I grosses me out,on a mechanical correctness level.
Post by: SachsGS on November 24, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
Post by: cnrcpla on November 24, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
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how much would it cost to update the plastic?Why would they do that? We all know that one metal mulisha sticker increases the HP by 200%
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on November 24, 2012, 05:36:21 PM
I think the KTM looks better and I think its a better bike to ride (for me) and I would definitely reccomend one to a friend, however if I had £6K in my hand right now I'd walk straight past the SX and hop on a new YZ 250.
Then put a blue rear mudguard and a hydraulic clutch it.
Post by: factoryX on November 25, 2012, 01:49:16 AM
03 had a frame geometry change, 04 48mm KYB open chamber vs the 46mm on the 03, 05 Aluminum frame same geometry as the 03 but two lbs lighter, SST forks, 06 everything the same except the SSS forks/shock, 07-10 same bike no changes except maybe front fork axle, 11-12 detuned motor, yzf front axle. The rest is minor and will bolt up no problem. No really, same exact bike. The pipe will interchange 02-2013, some even say that the earlier 99 pipes swap as well. You could build an low 02-03-04 yz250 using new parts, and still be under the actual cost of a new bike that you'll have to fix due to yamaha plugging it up.
KTM 250sx with SSS forks would blow it out of the water.
Post by: TCI Performance on November 25, 2012, 04:24:25 AM
Post by: TMKIWI on November 25, 2012, 07:57:17 AM
We all know that one metal mulisha sticker increases the HP by 200%
Thats crap.
Some of us enlightened one's know, monster stickers are faster.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on November 25, 2012, 08:23:44 AM
We all know that one metal mulisha sticker increases the HP by 200%
Thats crap.
Some of us enlightened one's know, monster stickers are faster.
And if you wanna go even faster you can wrap cut up cans of monster around your forks and rear shock reservoir.
Post by: Uniflow on November 25, 2012, 08:32:01 AM
Is it true?
Post by: factoryX on November 25, 2012, 11:21:30 AM
Post by: cnrcpla on November 25, 2012, 12:28:17 PM
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Thats crap.
Some of us enlightened one's know, monster stickers are faster.
Quote
And if you wanna go even faster you can wrap cut up cans of monster around your forks and rear shock reservoir.What if we used all three??? Charles, try this on the KX125 bike! We must know
Post by: motoxr377 on November 25, 2012, 03:31:42 PM
QuoteThats crap.
Some of us enlightened one's know, monster stickers are faster.QuoteAnd if you wanna go even faster you can wrap cut up cans of monster around your forks and rear shock reservoir.What if we used all three??? Charles, try this on the KX125 bike! We must know
I hear if you put all of those pieces of Monster Flair on, you can just swap out all of the vital fluids in the bike with Green Monster, or its low-carb substitute, Blue Monster.
Post by: dean100yz on November 25, 2012, 03:51:17 PM
I got a '03 RM250 that had done no work (still had orig tyres, plastics etc from one of my first posts). Its a great training or fun practice bike but thats it
My K8 (bought new in 2011) RM250 is better in all aspects despite looking near as damn it the same
I have changed the seat and suspension on the '03 to 2011 RMZ250 and had revalved. Also changed brake routing etc but its the little things. Pegs are slightly lower and 'old school', engine isent as versatile etc
My '03 cost me £500!! (Not sure in dollars) and I spend another £750 on the suspension, revalving etc
My '11 cost me £3000 - new they were about £4495 here and mine had covered 5 hours so was good enough for me :-)
Post by: dogger315 on November 25, 2012, 04:02:53 PM
On the other hand, thanks Yamaha, for exploiting the loophole in
the rules that started the four stroke takeover
The YZs get a few bones thrown their way every year, but they
are pretty good bones. The stock suspension is the best production
stuff on the market. The standard Excel rims, Fat bars, Ti pegs and
shock spring and the constant refinement make the 2013 a sweet
deal for the asking price, IMO.
By the way, I don't have a problem with the plastic. I don't want my
YZ to look like a YZF.
dogger
Post by: Uniflow on November 25, 2012, 08:48:13 PM
Post by: citabjockey on November 25, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
YZ - cheap to build and low product refinement R&D leads to good margin.
YZF- expensive to build and update but parts/service more than makes up for leaner margin.
These guys are not dumb.
Post by: chump6784 on November 25, 2012, 10:15:47 PM
Yamaha business model:They do the same with stand up jetski's. Been the same for 10 years but they are the only company that makes em now. No r&d, all profit
YZ - cheap to build and low product refinement R&D leads to good margin.
YZF- expensive to build and update but parts/service more than makes up for leaner margin.
These guys are not dumb.
Post by: ford832 on November 25, 2012, 11:32:10 PM
03 had a frame geometry change,
04 48mm KYB open chamber vs the 46mm on the 03,
05 Aluminum frame same geometry as the 03 but two lbs lighter, SST forks,
06 everything the same except the SSS forks/shock,
07-10 same bike no changes except maybe front fork axle,
11-12 detuned motor, yzf front axle. The rest is minor and will bolt up no problem.
No really, same exact bike.
Post by: motoxr377 on November 26, 2012, 12:28:27 AM
...And it will keep the plastic style it came with!
Post by: flea on November 27, 2012, 04:20:55 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on November 29, 2012, 12:14:07 AM
i owned a 09 yz250 and to be honest i cant understand why someone would put butt ugly, sharp, straight looking yzf plastics on it. i heaps prefer the lines of the older models, the new plastic is just awful. Hope yamaha dont change there two stroke look, the new is to yuppie, and it would be the the first thing i would change if they did come out with them. the yzf looks like a glorified thumpster, like some imitation bike. each to his own i suppose, just my 2c.
FINALLY!!!! someone who agrees with me. Seriously I think those 'updated' two stroke plastics look like utter crap. I'd be worried I would snag my pants or slice them open on them. Same with the YZF they look crap. Looks like its inspired by a medievil throne. The current YZ plastics are my all time favourites of the two stroke range. The RMs are really nice too