Post by: ab144 on September 13, 2012, 05:00:17 AM
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
Post by: TMKIWI on September 13, 2012, 09:08:26 AM
Things can go wrong with any machine.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on September 13, 2012, 10:54:26 PM
so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
Is this a serious thing or a joke? If its serious then it sort of looks like you were asking for it by racing it before it was properly broken in and I dont think that it would of happened under normal circumstances and if run in correctly, on the other hand if its a joke then your sense of humour is rubbish.
Post by: _X_ on September 14, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Post by: ab144 on September 14, 2012, 04:55:14 AM
so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
Is this a serious thing or a joke? If its serious then it sort of looks like you were asking for it by racing it before it was properly broken in and I dont think that it would of happened under normal circumstances and if run in correctly, on the other hand if its a joke then your sense of humour is rubbish.
This was during a second break in ride not riding hard.
Post by: TMKIWI on September 14, 2012, 06:57:47 AM
Way to welcome a new guy to the forum.
Post by: ab144 on September 14, 2012, 07:37:04 AM
I think this guy was asking a serious question and some have just given him the finger.
Way to welcome a new guy to the forum.
yup kind of what happened. did i do something wrong? i know i rushed the wording but damn...
Post by: dbf498 on September 14, 2012, 09:21:49 AM
so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
It's been a few days but when you brought your bike back to the dealership did they make mention of similar problems from any of other dealers across the country? To be honest, yours is the first major problem, of any kind, I've heard concerning any of the KTM bikes.
Post by: TMKIWI on September 14, 2012, 09:24:13 AM
yup kind of what happened. did i do something wrong? i know i rushed the wording but damn...
No you did nothing wrong at all.
I have no idea what the supossed joke was. Maybe some thought you said SXF. Who knows.
I hope you get your bike sorted.
Post by: Coop on September 14, 2012, 01:47:52 PM
I think this guy was asking a serious question and some have just given him the finger.
Way to welcome a new guy to the forum.
yup kind of what happened. did i do something wrong? i know i rushed the wording but damn...
You didn't do anything wrong and I cleaned the thread up a little. Good luck getting your bike fixed, that's a bummer.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on September 14, 2012, 01:48:52 PM
As I say TSM isn't usually like this so please stick around long enough to realize that.
Post by: scotty dog on September 14, 2012, 03:49:39 PM
Asking for it? I've had quite a few new bikes and probly spent 30 minutes running them in before racing them without a drama EVER! Like TMKIWI said, it happens with machines!!so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
Is this a serious thing or a joke? If its serious then it sort of looks like you were asking for it by racing it before it was properly broken in and I dont think that it would of happened under normal circumstances and if run in correctly, on the other hand if its a joke then your sense of humour is rubbish.
Hope ya get it sorted ab144 and have no further dramas
Post by: ab144 on September 14, 2012, 04:11:21 PM
so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
It's been a few days but when you brought your bike back to the dealership did they make mention of similar problems from any of other dealers across the country? To be honest, yours is the first major problem, of any kind, I've heard concerning any of the KTM bikes.
There was a post on another forum that had like 3 or 4 people saying that it had problems shifting but no cases I saw of it actually locking up like this. I just figured maybe I could find more people on a two stroke only forum.
Post by: ab144 on September 14, 2012, 04:13:05 PM
I do apologise on behalf of TSM, this stuff doesn't usually happen on here (if it did I wouldn't come on here myself). In regards to the KTM if they've stood by it and covered it under warranty then I suppose you can't really complain, everone makes the odd mistake so one bad gearbox out of all the bikes sold is pretty good going.
As I say TSM isn't usually like this so please stick around long enough to realize that.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on September 14, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
Asking for it? I've had quite a few new bikes and probly spent 30 minutes running them in before racing them without a drama EVER! Like TMKIWI said, it happens with machines!!so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
Is this a serious thing or a joke? If its serious then it sort of looks like you were asking for it by racing it before it was properly broken in and I dont think that it would of happened under normal circumstances and if run in correctly, on the other hand if its a joke then your sense of humour is rubbish.
Hope ya get it sorted ab144 and have no further dramas
Seriously? I always spend 2 or 3 hours using less than half throttle running a bike in before I even think about racing it and even then for the following 3 or 4 rides go really easy on it. How often do you rebuild the engine on your bike? I can ususally get a season out of mine before I replace it but even then the pistons are usually still in pretty good condition.
Post by: chump6784 on September 14, 2012, 08:35:03 PM
I ended up being able to ride it for about 15 minutes before raceday just to run it through the gears and then took it easy in practice. Ran smooth for the rest of the day.
If ktm fixed it I am guessing it was a manufacturing fault and not your own.
My bike is a 12 250sx by the way. Good luck and welcome to the site
Post by: Watson777 on September 17, 2012, 03:36:07 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on September 17, 2012, 07:43:06 AM
When you get it back from the dealer, let us know what they said. I'd like to know if the transmission just broke or there was another problem I've never heard of anything like this happening before.
ALWAYS break in a new engine component. Any part of the engine be it piston, entire top end, crank, conrod, or all of the above be absolutely certain to break it in properly before riding it hard.
I just broke in a piston like this:
start up for the first time, let the engine warm to the touch with just little blips of the throttle. do NOT overrev it.
Ride around gently for 10 minutes using 50-60% of the rev range. Let it cool off COMPLETELY.
Warm up the engine to the touch, again just little blips don't over rev it. Ride it around gently using 60-80% of the rev range. Let it cool off completely and repeat this one again.
Thats my warmup and the one time I've used it it worked well. I checked with both my honda manual and googled around a little. Like chump said the newer bikes it shouldn't be as bigger disaster. You should definitely still do it but it won't be the end of the world if you don't do it properly.
Again though, post up what the blokes at KTM said happened cos I'm interested.
Post by: Jeram on September 17, 2012, 12:25:56 PM
The gear box should be good to race from the moment it comes off the production line.
Sounds very odd that you got stuck in second, no idea what could have caused that but hopefully you get your bike repaired and back to you soon buddy!
Post by: Sheriff on September 17, 2012, 02:31:29 PM
Asking for it? I've had quite a few new bikes and probly spent 30 minutes running them in before racing them without a drama EVER! Like TMKIWI said, it happens with machines!!so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
Is this a serious thing or a joke? If its serious then it sort of looks like you were asking for it by racing it before it was properly broken in and I dont think that it would of happened under normal circumstances and if run in correctly, on the other hand if its a joke then your sense of humour is rubbish.
Hope ya get it sorted ab144 and have no further dramas
Seriously? I always spend 2 or 3 hours using less than half throttle running a bike in before I even think about racing it and even then for the following 3 or 4 rides go really easy on it. How often do you rebuild the engine on your bike? I can ususally get a season out of mine before I replace it but even then the pistons are usually still in pretty good condition.
Just because you waste half the useful life of your engine breaking it in doesn't mean doing anything else is wrong.
I've done no more than 10-20 minutes break in on most of my bikes for the last 15 years (about a dozen bikes in total, from 3 different brands, both 2 strokes and 4 strokes) and never ran into a reliability issue and know of many people of different skill levels who do the same. Today's tolerances are so tight, all you really have to do is let it heat up and ride it smooth for a few laps to make sure everything is in order, then let er rip.
At most one-off SX races in the world (Montreal, Bercy, etc.), local dealers lend brand new bikes to American riders for them to race. They don't spend 4 hours breaking them in during the race. A friend of mine bought the bike Jason Thomas used to win the 2006 Montreal SX. He ran in for 2 years without a single issue.
So back to the OP's question, you did nothing wrong. Just an isolated incident. I hope the dealer finds the problem and fixes it for good. Have fun with your new bike.
Post by: yota on September 17, 2012, 03:26:31 PM
I don't think break in is an issue, these things break in very quickly, they aren't four strokes.
Post by: ab144 on September 23, 2012, 03:49:29 AM
Post by: TotalNZ on September 23, 2012, 08:39:09 AM
2 or 3 hours at half throttle, you've gotta be kidding. good way to glaze a bore.Asking for it? I've had quite a few new bikes and probly spent 30 minutes running them in before racing them without a drama EVER! Like TMKIWI said, it happens with machines!!so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
Is this a serious thing or a joke? If its serious then it sort of looks like you were asking for it by racing it before it was properly broken in and I dont think that it would of happened under normal circumstances and if run in correctly, on the other hand if its a joke then your sense of humour is rubbish.
Hope ya get it sorted ab144 and have no further dramas
Seriously? I always spend 2 or 3 hours using less than half throttle running a bike in before I even think about racing it and even then for the following 3 or 4 rides go really easy on it. How often do you rebuild the engine on your bike? I can ususally get a season out of mine before I replace it but even then the pistons are usually still in pretty good condition.
The first 5 hours are the best and hardest that motor will ever go, you crazy not to take advantage of it.
Jump on run her up to temp then let her have it.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on September 23, 2012, 10:37:55 AM
Post by: shanes on September 23, 2012, 11:42:06 AM
The first 5 hours are the best and hardest that motor will ever go, you crazy not to take advantage of it.
Jump on run her up to temp then let her have it.
+1 engine will be worn out , warm it up , a few laps up and down the gears , let it cool completely change the oil while its cooling and ride it like you stole it .
Post by: scotty dog on September 23, 2012, 01:34:18 PM
Asking for it? I've had quite a few new bikes and probly spent 30 minutes running them in before racing them without a drama EVER! Like TMKIWI said, it happens with machines!!so we picked up a brand new 250sx within an hour of it being received get one ride on it. goes great break in is in full swing. second ride we go out and on third moto i come down out of a corner and try to shift to third only to find it is stuck in second. less than an hour on the bike. so now it is back at the dealership after being fixed(under warranty).
just wondering if any other 11-13 owners have had any problems like this?
Is this a serious thing or a joke? If its serious then it sort of looks like you were asking for it by racing it before it was properly broken in and I dont think that it would of happened under normal circumstances and if run in correctly, on the other hand if its a joke then your sense of humour is rubbish.
Hope ya get it sorted ab144 and have no further dramas
Seriously? I always spend 2 or 3 hours using less than half throttle running a bike in before I even think about racing it and even then for the following 3 or 4 rides go really easy on it. How often do you rebuild the engine on your bike? I can ususally get a season out of mine before I replace it but even then the pistons are usually still in pretty good condition.