Post by: eprovenzano on September 07, 2012, 04:14:21 PM
While riding I noticed more smokers around. I asked a few and they started laughing that the potential cost of a major rebuild keeps them on smnokers. In fact, all but one in their group was on smokers. The lone stroker on a 250F just purchased his bike. He just turned 20 and this was his 2nd bike, the 1st was a Honda 50... He tried his buddies, but couldn't get used to the powerband.
The tide is definitely changing.
Post by: chump6784 on September 07, 2012, 11:03:55 PM
Post by: Logan Dewey on September 07, 2012, 11:28:58 PM
Post by: SachsGS on September 08, 2012, 02:47:04 AM
Post by: citabjockey on September 08, 2012, 03:59:24 PM
I just hope a (successful) DI system finds its way onto bikes in the next few years or the 2T may truly die off eventually as all these "old" motocrossers continue to fall apart. And I can't picture a company keeping both 2T and 4T lineups up to date in parallel (read KTM/Husky/etc) over the long haul with such low profits on bike sales these days. I really believe DI, which would get the environmental regs off the 2T's back, is the only viable long term path.
I prefer a big bore 2T so it's not cost keeping me on them.
Post by: Stusmoke on September 10, 2012, 09:12:18 AM
Are you saying that open class 2T is expensive? I would think keeping a CR/RM/YZ/KX 125 in top form would be much more expensive than a CR500. My yamaha WR500 never needed a rebuild in many years of enduro riding -- because it was always loafing. My somewhat-new-to-me KTM380 I bet is going to me similar....
I just hope a (successful) DI system finds its way onto bikes in the next few years or the 2T may truly die off eventually as all these "old" motocrossers continue to fall apart. And I can't picture a company keeping both 2T and 4T lineups up to date in parallel (read KTM/Husky/etc) over the long haul with such low profits on bike sales these days. I really believe DI, which would get the environmental regs off the 2T's back, is the only viable long term path.I prefer a big bore 2T so it's not cost keeping me on them.
It definitely is changing. And I'd bet my bottom dollar that those guys aren't just impressed with how cheap their new smoker is... They mustn't want to take their helmets off for a few days to try and hide that giddy grin of theirs
Post by: SachsGS on September 10, 2012, 04:00:23 PM
I was talking to my brother recently and he mentioned an article that he read where it was stated that over half of the new generation 4T$ produced since 2000 have blown up and are laying in the back of a shop or barn etc.. You can imagine the effect this will have on used dirt bike prices in the future as the supply dries up.
Post by: eprovenzano on September 11, 2012, 01:22:47 PM
I was talking to my brother recently and he mentioned an article that he read where it was stated that over half of the new generation 4T$ produced since 2000 have blown up and are laying in the back of a shop or barn etc.. You can imagine the effect this will have on used dirt bike prices in the future as the supply dries up.
The price of a used smoker is on the rise. The supply is low, not enough MFG'ers, and we are hanging onto our used scoots, because they're inexpensive to maintain. I'm alway's on the look out for a quality bike I can flip, smokers are gettiing harder to find.
Post by: TMKIWI on September 12, 2012, 08:49:27 AM
Back in the early 80's it was common to put XR/XT 250 motors into late 70's RM/YZ frames when their motors were blown.
Now we are doing the opposite for the same reason.
Post by: Stusmoke on September 13, 2012, 06:36:31 AM
It's funny how things swing in roundabouts.
Back in the early 80's it was common to put XR/XT 250 motors into late 70's RM/YZ frames when their motors were blown.
Now we are doing the opposite for the same reason.
Hah. Yeah I guess thats true. Another 30 years and maybe people will be back on the four stroke thing and it'll all tick over again
Post by: chump6784 on September 19, 2012, 08:35:19 PM
for $4200, advertised $4500 but the guy cant pick it up for 2 weeks so i am holding it for him. On wednesday had a guy ring and offer to put $4500 in my bank then and there, i told him the situation and he offered $4700 "if" the deal fell through, i told him i am not like that, i made a deal and i am sticking to it. About half an hour later he sends me a text offering $5000. Still not taking it though.The best thing about it is that i paid $4500 for the bike 2 years ago
Post by: factoryX on September 19, 2012, 08:46:39 PM
Post by: chump6784 on September 20, 2012, 03:25:45 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on September 20, 2012, 10:32:54 AM
When i put my RM for sale on bikesales.com.au (our version of craigslist) there were 9 RM 250's. I sold mine on saturday morning
The best thing about it is that i paid $4500 for the bike 2 years ago
Thats what an Aussie is all about mate, good choice. Thats an awesome deal though, the value hasn't dropped a cent. It would've been down atleast 50% if it was an RMZ 250
Post by: chump6784 on September 20, 2012, 11:22:45 AM
Post by: Jeram on September 20, 2012, 02:37:33 PM
no deposit payed = non confirmed sale = fair game
Post by: eprovenzano on September 20, 2012, 02:45:35 PM
chump6784 I give you credit to standing behind the original sale. I know it would have been nice to pick a few more dollars in your pocket, but I'm with you and would have also held the bike for the buyer. The one thing to realize, if something happened to the sale and the buyer backed out, the bike will still sell fast.
Post by: chump6784 on September 20, 2012, 09:19:54 PM
If it we me,
no deposit payed = non confirmed sale = fair game
Got a deposit. Thing is before this I only had 2 calls from people 10 hours away, one saying he only wanted to spend 3k and an email from another guy offering 3.5k so when this guy offered 4.2k I took it. I was prepared to let it go for 4k anyway.
When the guy came to look at it he told me I should keep it cos it will be worth more in a couple years when supply starts running out. Really I just wanted it gone
Post by: Stusmoke on September 22, 2012, 12:42:28 AM
Early in the this riding season, i saw a new Katoom 300 roll into the riding area.. I asked the owner and he stated his 450 was for sale. He had a 18 y/o coming over to look at it... he couldn't wait to unload it, as he was all grins about being on a smoker again.
chump6784 I give you credit to standing behind the original sale. I know it would have been nice to pick a few more dollars in your pocket, but I'm with you and would have also held the bike for the buyer. The one thing to realize, if something happened to the sale and the buyer backed out, the bike will still sell fast.
Grins is what its all about isn't it? And the thing is, you're not scared about screaming out the 300 either, well you'd be scared of the power but not of the cost anyway.
Post by: scotty dog on September 23, 2012, 01:55:08 PM
sure is. i was talking to my mechanic the other day and he asked how the bike went and then he commented on how everyone is getting back on two strokes and the tide is turning. i am just surprised it has taken so longAnd after the success of the 2 stroke national at Coolum they're thinking of maybe 3 or 4 next year. Hope so..... Hopefully they have one here in WA!