Post by: GP500cc on August 29, 2012, 03:57:19 PM
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Post by: GP500cc on August 30, 2012, 01:58:53 AM
Oh lookie another Honda basher joined the site......I am not a Honda basher, if you don't believe me about Honda making it all 4 stroke racing then look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeSqrW-lYUQ&feature=plcp
Post by: twosmoke595 on August 30, 2012, 02:16:52 AM
Post by: GP500cc on August 30, 2012, 02:21:29 AM
Post by: GP500cc on August 30, 2012, 02:26:06 PM
I am not sure, red bull rookies cup will be changed to slower 250 4 stroke singles with slower lap times. What a great guy. His accent is a little hard to understand though but a great guy
He probably got fired for speaking against Honda.
Post by: xandyx on August 30, 2012, 02:30:28 PM
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Post by: scotty dog on August 30, 2012, 03:47:57 PM
I might be wrong but I heard in moto3 (250 4 stroke singles) that everyone has to used a Honda engine and you only get 250 4 strokes now. KTM redbull rookies cup will be switching to 250 4 strokes next year which is sad. I wonder how long it will take for them fart cannons to blow upI heard that too when I was watching on Telly, all Honda powered, but lots of different chassis' was good racing just sounded like poo
Post by: GP500cc on August 30, 2012, 03:51:56 PM
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Post by: twosmoke595 on August 30, 2012, 06:44:35 PM
I might be wrong but I heard in moto3 (250 4 stroke singles) that everyone has to used a Honda engine and you only get 250 4 strokes now. KTM redbull rookies cup will be switching to 250 4 strokes next year which is sad. I wonder how long it will take for them fart cannons to blow up
no its not all honda, but i haven't heard anything from kawi, suzuki or yamaha about building a moto3 bike, all it is is honda and ktm
and yes a 250 single, i read somewhere that they can't get much more than 45 horsepower without really sacrificing longevity. Was watching a race a little while ago and the announcers were talking about just how loud these "new better" bikes are
Post by: GP500cc on August 30, 2012, 07:09:15 PM
Post by: twosmoke595 on August 30, 2012, 09:03:04 PM
Yamaha and ktm and others who go into moto2 and the new (boring) moto3 class have to use a Honda engine, the only thing they can can is just build the chassis, that's all. It's sad that the newer moto2 and moto3 bikes get slower lap times and yet the praise these slower engines! How pathetic
they have to use them!??!? wtf
i guess the only real explanation to these premade bikes is that its all rider, whoever wins its the best ride who does. but it has always been that way.
Post by: _X_ on August 30, 2012, 09:44:20 PM
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Post by: Kurtis on August 31, 2012, 05:22:36 AM
Post by: Jeram on August 31, 2012, 03:05:57 PM
moto-3 is any brand motor in a prototype chassis.
if it was honda motors, KTM factory team would not be racing!
its interesting that they didnt blend the 2Ts and 4Ts together for the first year like they did in motor gp is 2002 (?).
they learnt their lesson about the old 2Ts spanking the 'new' 4 strokes when placed side by side.
They say that this season or next season the 4Ts will have eclipsed the 2Ts in lap times (125 vs moto 3) (thats a quoted for KTM team manager)
However he is not taking into acount that if the 125s had any development, let alone the funding thats been put into moto3 injected into the 125 motors that they'd be going significantly faster by now.
The 2011 factory RSA125 would have most likely long since become the privateer bike and there would be a new factory machine which surpases the old one.
Aprilia R&D had lots of ideas for making more hp, but they had their funding cut
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on August 31, 2012, 09:21:46 PM
I might be wrong but I heard in moto3 (250 4 stroke singles) that everyone has to used a Honda engine and you only get 250 4 strokes now. KTM redbull rookies cup will be switching to 250 4 strokes next year which is sad. I wonder how long it will take for them fart cannons to blow up
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on August 31, 2012, 09:31:53 PM
They are definitely not running all honda motors in moto3. Thats moto-2
moto-3 is any brand motor in a prototype chassis.
if it was honda motors, KTM factory team would not be racing!
its interesting that they didnt blend the 2Ts and 4Ts together for the first year like they did in motor gp is 2002 (?).
they learnt their lesson about the old 2Ts spanking the 'new' 4 strokes when placed side by side.
They say that this season or next season the 4Ts will have eclipsed the 2Ts in lap times (125 vs moto 3) (thats a quoted for KTM team manager)
However he is not taking into acount that if the 125s had any development, let alone the funding thats been put into moto3 injected into the 125 motors that they'd be going significantly faster by now.
The 2011 factory RSA125 would have most likely long since become the privateer bike and there would be a new factory machine which surpases the old one.
Aprilia R&D had lots of ideas for making more hp, but they had their funding cut
They did originally try 'blending' the motors in the old 125 class and in the redbull rookies aswell I think but the 250f's were a LOT slower than the 125's, you have to remember how much different the motogp 125's are compared to a motocrosser though, the things made like 60 hp but in a very small range but in that kind of racing the kids could keep them in that range and seriously haul ass on them but the 250f has a spread of power with no real peak so while its faster for motocross in motogp they're useless.
I used to love watching the 125's scream around the tracks on the TV, iit was the best racing ever.
Post by: twosmoke595 on August 31, 2012, 09:35:28 PM
Post by: Jeram on September 01, 2012, 10:48:32 AM
They are definitely not running all honda motors in moto3. Thats moto-2
moto-3 is any brand motor in a prototype chassis.
if it was honda motors, KTM factory team would not be racing!
its interesting that they didnt blend the 2Ts and 4Ts together for the first year like they did in motor gp is 2002 (?).
they learnt their lesson about the old 2Ts spanking the 'new' 4 strokes when placed side by side.
They say that this season or next season the 4Ts will have eclipsed the 2Ts in lap times (125 vs moto 3) (thats a quoted for KTM team manager)
However he is not taking into acount that if the 125s had any development, let alone the funding thats been put into moto3 injected into the 125 motors that they'd be going significantly faster by now.
The 2011 factory RSA125 would have most likely long since become the privateer bike and there would be a new factory machine which surpases the old one.
Aprilia R&D had lots of ideas for making more hp, but they had their funding cut
They did originally try 'blending' the motors in the old 125 class and in the redbull rookies aswell I think but the 250f's were a LOT slower than the 125's, you have to remember how much different the motogp 125's are compared to a motocrosser though, the things made like 60 hp but in a very small range but in that kind of racing the kids could keep them in that range and seriously haul ass on them but the 250f has a spread of power with no real peak so while its faster for motocross in motogp they're useless.
I used to love watching the 125's scream around the tracks on the TV, iit was the best racing ever.
still, it would have been fun to see the aprilia smokers kick the thumpers arses.
from what Iv seen the 125ers arnt as peaky as you'd expect.
sure you need to keep them on the boil to win a race, but they still move pretty quick in the mid range for a 125 two stroke
Post by: GP500cc on September 01, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on September 04, 2012, 11:40:57 PM
Post by: twosmoke595 on September 05, 2012, 12:05:35 AM
Yeah Im so shocked that Honda bought off the AMA to do all that. I honestly do not understand the greed of that. Were they in danger of going under or something? Seriously they are one of the richest companies in the world (I'm assuming) and they still wanted more. What in gods name did they stand to gain by earning a few more billion? That sounded better in my head but it just doesn't make any sense to me how people can be that obsessed with money and control.
ya well it is japan so....they're hard pressed to change, they like the way they do things and they DO NOT like changing from their ideals, and if they can do so by paying people off, then by god they're gonna do it
Post by: Stusmoke on September 05, 2012, 12:43:08 AM
Yeah Im so shocked that Honda bought off the AMA to do all that. I honestly do not understand the greed of that. Were they in danger of going under or something? Seriously they are one of the richest companies in the world (I'm assuming) and they still wanted more. What in gods name did they stand to gain by earning a few more billion? That sounded better in my head but it just doesn't make any sense to me how people can be that obsessed with money and control.
ya well it is japan so....they're hard pressed to change, they like the way they do things and they DO NOT like changing from their ideals, and if they can do so by paying people off, then by god they're gonna do it
And to think I just submitted an assignment saying how nice Japan culture is. That never give up and die trying attitude sounds like its derived from samurai culture though. But you raise a good point anyway. Jerks. But if it gets out and can be proven that they did that, they're up to their eyeballs. Atleast I think they would be I'm not sure if what they did is illegal or not in America. Whatever they did anyway.
Post by: Jeram on September 05, 2012, 01:30:46 AM
Its a little thing called lobbying
Thats the exact same reason why the United States of America now classifies a pizza as a vegetable.
but whos to blame?
the lobbyists
or the dumb arse Americans who were too stupid and docile to stand up for what they believed in.
when the AMA banished the 2Ts with there 450 rule why didn't you (referring to everyone not singling out anyone) and the thousands of two stroke fans go and camp out the front of the AMA for a week to protest. It would have made a huge difference.
But now we are condemned to eternal whinging and whining about how unfair it is.
point of my rant is, if you don't agree with something then act on it, don't just wait till its too late or sign a little bloody petition.
but on the bright side, If this forum becomes any bigger it could actually be used as a tool for lobbying: coordinated phone calls to governing bodies etc
And to the people who did something about it.. good on you for trying your best, and you are welcome to whinge and whine about the unfair rules
Post by: GP500cc on September 08, 2012, 12:40:46 AM
Post by: Jeram on September 08, 2012, 05:21:02 AM
I dont like the honda is the boogie man argument so it must have been them, I prefer the argument 'honda did this on this date and acheived it by doing x, y and z'
What did honda do to stop the rule?
Where and when did this occur?
Post by: DESERTFOX19 on September 08, 2012, 06:15:09 PM
Although I agree that honda are dirty little fuckers, I always like to have an educated and rational opinion.
I dont like the honda is the boogie man argument so it must have been them, I prefer the argument 'honda did this on this date and acheived it by doing x, y and z'
What did honda do to stop the rule?
Where and when did this occur?
They must have not read Jody's box . The one about rumors.
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/hi-torque/mxa_201111_dealer/index.php#/8
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on September 09, 2012, 06:17:34 PM