Post by: cnrcpla on August 11, 2012, 10:50:42 PM
On a side note... Racing in the woods today against a 450f and 250f and a few 125's, I kept right in back of the 450 in front of all the new bikes until I washed out in a muddy turn and ate dirt
Snapped my front break lever and jammed what was left of it into the throttle configuration (I hit the ground pinned in 4th) so I had to call it quites. But its good to know I can still run with the 450s...
Post by: nom de guerre on August 11, 2012, 11:05:49 PM
Post by: cnrcpla on August 11, 2012, 11:12:56 PM
My friend on his 250f is a pretty damn good woods rider though. Just goes to show its mostly rider.
Post by: citabjockey on August 11, 2012, 11:17:14 PM
I would never talk down to a guy for running old iron.
Post by: TotalNZ on August 11, 2012, 11:20:48 PM
The parts are usually flogged out the pegs hang a little the kickstarters are loose as well as the shifter levers, the pipes are usually tweaked and the mufflers prob worn out. Then there's things like shift drums and forks kickstart return springs and clutch baskets.
Also suspension bushes wear out and when was last time you regassed your rear shock?
Old bikes are fun and i'd never bag someone for riding one but if you get a brand new bike you'll know what i mean.
What have you had done to your motor and suspension?
Post by: nom de guerre on August 11, 2012, 11:23:34 PM
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Post by: TotalNZ on August 12, 2012, 12:56:09 AM
I mean, do you think I would be any faster on a 2012 yz250 vs my '92? The motor hasn't changed that much so the power is all there, the suspension I'm sure would be a little better, but standing up I can take just about any bump hahaha. The frame improves handling but would the frame make THAT much of a difference? I'm considering taking a new 250 out for a test ride, but I don't feeling comfortable wringing its neck on the track or in the woods unless its mine, just the way I am I guess.Yeah you'd definitely be faster, not just that but do it easier and more comfortably.
I raced my old CR lots against new machines and still did ok but there's nothing like the way a new bike feels, it's tight.
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Post by: citabjockey on August 12, 2012, 03:19:22 AM
Post by: cnrcpla on August 12, 2012, 03:23:24 AM
Post by: beaner on August 12, 2012, 03:26:51 AM
We have it so easy today. Back in the mid to late '70s, if you were not on this years bike you had a serious disadvantage. From 4" travel in the rear in 1974, to 6" in 1976 to 8" 1978 to 11 in 1979. in 1980 and 81 the radiators and power valves started showing up. Just try to stay with an '82 YZ with a 77. Sheer slaughter. These days you could keep the same bike for 5 years and hardly notice the difference. The pace of development has essentially stopped compared to the 70s.
That's true. My race bike is an 04 RM 125 and I think of it as current. I sure passed a lot of late model equipment on my KDX (essentially a mid 90's trail bike) today.
Post by: Lolerbabop on August 12, 2012, 05:11:53 AM
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Post by: cnrcpla on August 13, 2012, 03:11:21 AM
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Cus zey r old n moldy n stuff.. AND 4 STROKES ARE AWESOME!!!! WhenAh, I see you raise a valid point
Post by: Stusmoke on August 13, 2012, 05:53:30 AM
I for one would love to have your YZ
Post by: cnrcpla on August 13, 2012, 04:04:07 PM
I wouldn't mind having a set of 2012 side plates and read fender, I think that would look good. Does anyone have the diameter of the 06+ SSS forks? If they are in the ball park range of 43 mil, than they might bolt up to the clamps. I would have to see if the axle would fit just as well, if not then I would need a new rim and axle to boot with the new forks, that's if they would bolt on, I don't really want to make heavy modifications.
Post by: dogger315 on August 13, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
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Why do people think 90's bike are so bad?Only the uniformed feel that way. Anybody that's been riding/racing since the 90s loves
seeing (and hearing) those bikes out on the track. I was watching the coverage of the
"wick" on TV Sunday and while one of the racers was being interviewed, a guy went
idleing buy on a vintage 500 in the background. The fans were cheering and most of the
racers turned to watch him.
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I would kind of like to try the SSS on my bike. I would also really like to ride a new 250, KTM or YZ, just to compare it.The front fork swap for the CR steelies has gotten quite a bit of attention. I don't think swapping
in a pair of Yamaha SSS's would be easy. It's doubtful much of anything would match up. Front
axle size, steering stem bearings, steering stem length, caliper mount, brake hose routing, etc.
Most CR guys opt for late model CRF forks. This still requires a complete CRF front end and custom
triple clamps to work, but it is doable and a real nice upgrade over the 43mm Showas on your bike
now. The front end from a 2008/9 CRF250R or 2008 CRF450R would be a good choice. You'll need
the forks, front wheel, axle and spacers. Emig Racing can provide you with a custom triple clamp that
will fit your frame and accept the larger CRF fork tubes. Use the steering stem, front brake caliper and
fender from your current bike (they all bolt right up).
As far as an older bike just feeling old, that's only true about the ergonomics. Any 90s (and early
2000s) bike will feel a little dated compared to a newer bike. Most of that dated feel comes from
the width. When I sit on my 93 then jump on my 08, the first thing I notice is how much wider the
93 is. Everything else can be changed, but you're kind of stuck with the width.
I applaud your effort to keep your CR going, they are great bikes. I love my 93 and had a blast,
and a lot of success, racing it for the last couple of years. Unfortunately, the parts supply is
rapidly drying up and I'm parking it. I'm restoring it back to showroom condition and will retire
it to accompany the other iconic Honda models in my collection. So, to keep getting my CR
riding/racing fix, I have had to resort to building hybrids. This route isn't the easiest or the
cheapest, but I like the challenge and I have never been able to get comfortable on another
brand anyway - plus, like the 93, I'm not likely to see another bike like mine at the track on
any given day.
dogger
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on August 13, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
However, as people have pointed out, maintenance is the key. Most '90's bike get an honest bad rap because, well...they are shit. They have been flogged and beaten and put away dirty longer than some of your Mothers!
If your old bike is new (like new), then it will come down to rider skill and unless you are on a Pro grid, where your skills are evenly matched with the other 39 riders beside you, then age of the bike will have very little influence.
Post by: cnrcpla on August 13, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
As far as bike condition, I have seen and ridden some really flogged out bikes, and I do believe that's where the rep comes from. But hey, the look on the faces of people who expect me to be in the dust but are seeing me right up next to them is pretty priceless
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on August 13, 2012, 05:59:05 PM
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Most of that dated feel comes from the width. When I sit on my 93 then jump on my 08, the first thing I notice is how much wider the 93 is.
That may be true in your case - I am not doubting or arguing with you at all...however, a '97 YZ 125 is the same width as an '07 if not a little slimmer. A '93 CR250 is slimmer than than the '99 counterpart. I have yet to ride a full size bike that feels as narrow as my '80 Can-Am's. It think it is comparing apples to oranges.
But there is something to the ergonomics issue. Most '90's MXers had taller tanks and the seat butted up to it This gave the bike a bulky feel especially when sliding up the tank for corners. Newer bikes have a flat seat all the way to the gas cap and vary narrow radiator shrouds. That might be some of the feeling you are referring.
Another thing I notice is - and you can change them on the older bikes too, is the foot pegs. All the bikes come with these wide pegs that are much more comfortable.
Now you got me wanting a '90s bike to play with so I can have back to back comparisons with '70's, '80's '90's, and '00 tech. I've got all but the '90's.
Post by: MPFD on August 13, 2012, 10:08:03 PM
Post by: citabjockey on August 15, 2012, 05:10:46 PM
And i quite agree, I think we lost something when the pumps and radiators showed up.
I was kinda partial to the CR480r myself but have yet to own (or even ride) one. Lots'a Fins!
Here are some fins - if you like Red.
dogger
Post by: Logan Dewey on August 15, 2012, 06:34:09 PM
bringing the 2 strokes back!
Post by: MPFD on August 15, 2012, 08:13:39 PM
Post by: TotalNZ on August 16, 2012, 06:58:44 AM
Dogger what in gods name do you do for a living? That 93 looks like you bought it 5 minutes ago, only better. All your bikes do its amazingMy first thought was to ask if his first name was Ron, but he's on the wrong coloured bikes lol
Post by: Stusmoke on August 16, 2012, 12:50:56 PM
Dogger what in gods name do you do for a living? That 93 looks like you bought it 5 minutes ago, only better. All your bikes do its amazingMy first thought was to ask if his first name was Ron, but he's on the wrong coloured bikes lol
I thought he might've been Jeremy Mcgrath in disguise. Wow wouldn't that give TSM a boost? "The site that The King himself goes on"
Post by: dogger315 on August 16, 2012, 06:25:16 PM
on that one. Do you have some pictures of the whole bike?
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My first thought was to ask if his first name was Ron...he might've been Jeremy Mcgrath inNo "ringer" here, just another enthusiast like everyone else. By the way, I wouldn't be surprised
disguise
that MC and some others lurk on this site from time to time.
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Is that 78/79 yours too? If so more pics and a story please!Yeh, that's my 79. I think I have done a pretty good job of hijacking cnrcpla's thread and I
apologize. I'll start a new thread about the 79 resto with lots of pictures.
dogger
Post by: cnrcpla on August 16, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on August 17, 2012, 12:11:10 AM
No worries man, hijack away. I have been enjoying the pictures
Who doesn't right? A dogger build thread is the highlight of the week for me