Post by: Watson777 on June 05, 2012, 01:12:23 AM
Post by: motoxr377 on June 05, 2012, 01:17:34 AM
2.) I know a place you can stay in Tacoma if needed
Post by: snook620 on June 05, 2012, 01:19:06 AM
Post by: Swimr2DaResQ on June 05, 2012, 02:51:49 AM
Post by: Watson777 on June 05, 2012, 04:53:13 AM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on June 05, 2012, 10:38:23 AM
Post by: racer142 on June 05, 2012, 05:44:05 PM
Post by: tweetakt on June 05, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
What happened to the 250? Were you not on a YZ250 last year?
Post by: Watson777 on June 05, 2012, 10:55:06 PM
Post by: Watson777 on June 05, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
First, have u ever tried to qualify for a national? Ever made it? How did u get ur pro license? Why r u wanting to do it on a 2stroke? Is it yours or a borrowed buddies bike? And who are u exactly?
First off, yes I have raced the nationals before and yes I have made mains and why does it matter how I got my pro license? Yes it is mine and I want to do ride a 2-stroke because its fun and I like riding my 2-stroke, and again why does it matter? Geesh what happened to all the original people that talked on here?!
Post by: scotty dog on June 05, 2012, 11:12:18 PM
I think they got scared awayFirst, have u ever tried to qualify for a national? Ever made it? How did u get ur pro license? Why r u wanting to do it on a 2stroke? Is it yours or a borrowed buddies bike? And who are u exactly?
First off, yes I have raced the nationals before and yes I have made mains and why does it matter how I got my pro license? Yes it is mine and I want to do ride a 2-stroke because its fun and I like riding my 2-stroke, and again why does it matter? Geesh what happened to all the original people that talked on here?!
some are still here, I would love to see ya do it, I would love to help but have been off work due to surgery also and the budget is pretty tight these days too.Hope ya get there
Post by: Watson777 on June 05, 2012, 11:18:26 PM
Post by: chump6784 on June 06, 2012, 12:00:19 AM
Post by: cnrcpla on June 06, 2012, 12:32:58 AM
But damn it would be good to see you go for it. Even doing it on a 250 would be pretty sweet. Either way, good luck to you and have fun. 
Post by: factoryX on June 06, 2012, 12:38:57 AM
I would think a built 250 would have a better chance against the 450's than a 125 against the 250f'sIts doable, but I also think it would be closer to try for the 450 class with a pissed off yz250.
Post by: ford832 on June 06, 2012, 12:41:56 AM
First, have u ever tried to qualify for a national? Ever made it? How did u get ur pro license? Why r u wanting to do it on a 2stroke? Is it yours or a borrowed buddies bike? And who are u exactly?
First off, yes I have raced the nationals before and yes I have made mains and why does it matter how I got my pro license? Yes it is mine and I want to do ride a 2-stroke because its fun and I like riding my 2-stroke, and again why does it matter? Geesh what happened to all the original people that talked on here?!
I think they got stung the last time.Once bitten........
Post by: factoryX on June 06, 2012, 01:00:05 AM
Post by: Watson777 on June 06, 2012, 02:46:48 AM
Post by: racer142 on June 06, 2012, 04:29:45 AM
Then I assume ur familiar with the sponsorship process. U don't hand money over sight unseen u see who ur giving it to first. Racing a national is important bc it let's me know if u can possibly make it and u know what it against. How u got ur license is also important bc I've had a few friends do a pro am arena cross thing on the east cost and got their license basically just to say they had it they couldn't come close to competing at a national they just showed up to enough races and got enough points. And lastly yes we keep getting burned by people saying "help me race my 2 stroke" and people do and as soon as it's over they are done with it. So I still don't know who u are or what ur capable of. Others on here might but I am pretty new and have no idea so I askedFirst, have u ever tried to qualify for a national? Ever made it? How did u get ur pro license? Why r u wanting to do it on a 2stroke? Is it yours or a borrowed buddies bike? And who are u exactly?
First off, yes I have raced the nationals before and yes I have made mains and why does it matter how I got my pro license? Yes it is mine and I want to do ride a 2-stroke because its fun and I like riding my 2-stroke, and again why does it matter? Geesh what happened to all the original people that talked on here?!
Post by: factoryX on June 06, 2012, 05:06:47 AM
I would never run anything by Eric again, I had him do one of my 250's and it never ran right again. Literally broke every time I rode it and it had never had one problem before I sent it to him.
What exactly did you have done?
Post by: TMKIWI on June 06, 2012, 05:10:01 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on June 06, 2012, 07:45:51 AM
I would love to see you do it mate. Its gonna be hard but still awesome to watch
Post by: scotty dog on June 06, 2012, 11:32:26 AM
Watson rides pretty good fella's.
Post by: MCGRIDDLE_321 on June 06, 2012, 09:32:39 PM
Post by: eprovenzano on June 06, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Post by: msambuco on June 06, 2012, 10:22:10 PM
Post by: Recovered on June 06, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
Post by: msambuco on June 06, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
Post by: Recovered on June 06, 2012, 11:04:40 PM
Post by: Watson777 on June 07, 2012, 12:42:13 AM
As far as the topic of me.... I'll post a video of me on the 125 as soon as I get a chance, it is getting rebuilt right now. I know I have a better chance on the 250 vs the 450's but the 125 is a lot of fun to ride. Washougal probably isn't the #1 choice of places to try to ride a 125 vs built 250F's but oh well.
Oh and I had Gorr do a 300 kit on my woods bike. It ran great until about 9 hours of run time then the power valve broke and I'll just leave it at that.
Post by: motoman356 on June 07, 2012, 02:41:26 AM
Post by: 2T Institute on June 07, 2012, 03:41:53 AM
The price raise stuff among other things is going on at a lot of the other tracks too. MX Sports is trying to get rid of any place that doesn't want to act like or look like Nascar. If things go as the rumors say they will you will see the series at mostly new (different) tracks by 2014.Where do you loose out to the 250f's? What I see is that it's easy to jam it up the inside on the narrow line but get hosed on the exits with the 250f's running the high line on the berm.
As far as the topic of me.... I'll post a video of me on the 125 as soon as I get a chance, it is getting rebuilt right now. I know I have a better chance on the 250 vs the 450's but the 125 is a lot of fun to ride. Washougal probably isn't the #1 choice of places to try to ride a 125 vs built 250F's but oh well.
Oh and I had Gorr do a 300 kit on my woods bike. It ran great until about 9 hours of run time then the power valve broke and I'll just leave it at that.
Post by: Watson777 on June 07, 2012, 05:31:29 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on June 07, 2012, 07:52:11 AM
Moral of the story: a 250 at full noise has roost that could be weaponized.
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on June 07, 2012, 10:26:41 AM
sadly to say but AMA wanted the Richie family to raise the ticket prices to $49.00 and they said no the Richie's have owned the property/track for many,many years and all they wanted to do was keep the prices fair in return for all fans that have been coming there over the years.
Let's put the blame where it belongs. The AMA doesn't manage who gets a race or what the ticket prices are. MX Sprorts Pro Racing and the National Promotors Group determine who gets a race, costs, and many other requirements.
Not that the AMA shouldn't share the blame for many other things (like the inequality rules that have allowed 4$ to dominate motocross).
Post by: Stusmoke on June 07, 2012, 10:41:30 AM
sadly to say but AMA wanted the Richie family to raise the ticket prices to $49.00 and they said no the Richie's have owned the property/track for many,many years and all they wanted to do was keep the prices fair in return for all fans that have been coming there over the years.
Let's put the blame where it belongs. The AMA doesn't manage who gets a race or what the ticket prices are. MX Sprorts Pro Racing and the National Promotors Group determine who gets a race, costs, and many other requirements.
Not that the AMA shouldn't share the blame for many other things (like the inequality rules that have allowed 4$ to dominate motocross).
Agreed. I will say that the motocross industry, from what I can understand, is wrecked. Does anyone have numbers regarding the number of licenses handed out by the AMA? A comparison of the 1990s vs. the last five years would be interesting to see.
Back on topic. The thing with most four joke tools is that they see things like this: a four stroke engine makes exactly half the power of an equal displacement two stroke. Thats what I've been greeted with when I broach the topic at the track or with someone who rides one.
The most brutally basic understanding of the internal combustion engine, nay just having a bloody brain will tell you that this is not so. Theres god knows how many other factors. Anyway my point here is, if you show up running a 144 kit it might just do the exact opposite of what you want it to do which I assume to be show the public that two strokes are awesome. My reasoning for this is: That guy has over half the displacement that the 250s do, thats unfair. And people will just pin the fact that you qualified on that: you had an unfair advantage.
Just something to consider bro. If you do end up qualifying that would probably be the reasoning that the press uses to protect their four shit conspiracy.
Post by: Watson777 on June 07, 2012, 06:38:08 PM
Post by: Super Trucker on June 07, 2012, 06:45:38 PM
I think it would be a good idea, to rent-lease someones 167 or a 144 stroker crank-2mm ovr borre. My JM racing 04 cr125 stroker crank 2mm and 2mm ove borre is alot faster than a current YZ that,s ported or the Jeff Wilow Nollen YZ125 that holeshot nationals in 97. When is the race anyway ?
Post by: Super Trucker on June 07, 2012, 07:05:01 PM
I'm not planning on running a 144. I am gonna do it the legal way, just pin it and see what happens!Sounds awesome, I know you can
do it. There,s 3 YZ 125,s on www.wisconsinmx.com one is a YOT Yamaha of Troy motor only used as a race bike, then he has a ported practice bike. The other is a pc motor. There,s a bunch of YZ 125 on there site, some have been posted for months. You might be able to make a deal, rent an engine, or trade. A over borred carb would be a good to. Run alot of sag, stiffen up the forks, keep it pinned and hang off the back of the bike, so the front tire floats on top of the loose stuff. I,m sure ya know all that tho.
Post by: bearorso on June 07, 2012, 08:50:11 PM
Rules are rules, no matter how bloody bad they are. I'd say that anyone, who is caught now for OS engines, be they 125 based , or 250f based, or 250 2t based, will get royally reamed, as an example, by MX Sports / AMA. It would be a perfect opportunity, for them to be seen as actually doing something......................
Who rode the TSMX 250? John's one? I thought it was Watson77, but obviously, not.
Post by: msambuco on June 07, 2012, 10:18:53 PM
After Renner (?) went on about riding an oversize 125 at Daytona, Anyone else turning up on a 2t, Will have their engine inspected, just as He did when he next went to race.
Rules are rules, no matter how bloody bad they are. I'd say that anyone, who is caught now for OS engines, be they 125 based , or 250f based, or 250 2t based, will get royally reamed, as an example, by MX Sports / AMA. It would be a perfect opportunity, for them to be seen as actually doing something......................
Who rode the TSMX 250? John's one? I thought it was Watson77, but obviously, not.
It is very important to honda to make sure any 2 stroke is at a disadvantage in order to carry on their agenda. I expect Yamaha to be the first Japanese firm to break away from this. Any day now. One day there will be enough others combined that when honda threatens to take their toys and go home it will not matter.
Post by: Recovered on June 08, 2012, 01:30:04 AM
Post by: bearorso on June 08, 2012, 08:49:28 AM
After Renner (?) went on about riding an oversize 125 at Daytona, Anyone else turning up on a 2t, Will have their engine inspected, just as He did when he next went to race.
Rules are rules, no matter how bloody bad they are. I'd say that anyone, who is caught now for OS engines, be they 125 based , or 250f based, or 250 2t based, will get royally reamed, as an example, by MX Sports / AMA. It would be a perfect opportunity, for them to be seen as actually doing something......................
Who rode the TSMX 250? John's one? I thought it was Watson77, but obviously, not.
It is very important to honda to make sure any 2 stroke is at a disadvantage in order to carry on their agenda. I expect Yamaha to be the first Japanese firm to break away from this. Any day now. One day there will be enough others combined that when honda threatens to take their toys and go home it will not matter.
I agree with your sentiments completely - look back to my posting record. Honda are dictating things, but, with the complicity of the other manufacturers.
As to if there will ever be enough manufacturers against Hondas / Other manufacturers power? I'm really hopeful, if a bit pessimistic. It depends on BMW/ Husky really coming on hard with the often rumoured / often (and now) promised 2ts, KTM finally pissing (to get off the pot), and getting their DFI / whatever it is out. And KTM / Husky / others, using 2ts for far more than just recreational bikes. And, the next manufacturer, getting back, properly, into 2ts:
Yes, Yamaha Is the one Japanese company that I feel may be the one to re-enter 2t with New / Modern 2ts. Their record for innovation and change, is very strong. They do produce EFI ? / DFI ? 2t Outboards.
But, I'm starting to worry.
We've been waiting a while.
I REALLY hope we won't be waiting in vain.
Post by: Stusmoke on June 08, 2012, 12:25:18 PM
After Renner (?) went on about riding an oversize 125 at Daytona, Anyone else turning up on a 2t, Will have their engine inspected, just as He did when he next went to race.
Rules are rules, no matter how bloody bad they are. I'd say that anyone, who is caught now for OS engines, be they 125 based , or 250f based, or 250 2t based, will get royally reamed, as an example, by MX Sports / AMA. It would be a perfect opportunity, for them to be seen as actually doing something......................
Who rode the TSMX 250? John's one? I thought it was Watson77, but obviously, not.
It is very important to honda to make sure any 2 stroke is at a disadvantage in order to carry on their agenda. I expect Yamaha to be the first Japanese firm to break away from this. Any day now. One day there will be enough others combined that when honda threatens to take their toys and go home it will not matter.
I agree with your sentiments completely - look back to my posting record. Honda are dictating things, but, with the complicity of the other manufacturers.
As to if there will ever be enough manufacturers against Hondas / Other manufacturers power? I'm really hopeful, if a bit pessimistic. It depends on BMW/ Husky really coming on hard with the often rumoured / often (and now) promised 2ts, KTM finally pissing (to get off the pot), and getting their DFI / whatever it is out. And KTM / Husky / others, using 2ts for far more than just recreational bikes. And, the next manufacturer, getting back, properly, into 2ts:
Yes, Yamaha Is the one Japanese company that I feel may be the one to re-enter 2t with New / Modern 2ts. Their record for innovation and change, is very strong. They do produce EFI ? / DFI ? 2t Outboards.
But, I'm starting to worry.
We've been waiting a while.
I REALLY hope we won't be waiting in vain.
Lets not forget that Yamaha is the reason we're all on this site talking about the bogus Motocross that is todays norm. They sparked a fire that raged and still rages. Maybe they will actually have the brains to look at the evidence and say: Wait on.... If we don't douse our own fire the MX industry is in trouble.
Yamaha is the second last company that I expect to turn all two stroke all of a sudden. Yeah, so they still produce them. Who wouldn't? Its extra coin that they can put into their 4 stonk racing efforts. Nothing ground breaking has changed on them in the last what.... 7 years? 6 if you count the KYB SSS as groundbreaking, and its apparently pretty sexy.
My word? I really don't think Yamaha gives a crap about the two stroke motocross bike. Why? They haven't done anything to them in years. Some people might say they can't afford to do major work on the 2 engine types I say pig's arse. KTM does it every year.
Just my 2 cents worth
Post by: msambuco on June 08, 2012, 01:35:53 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on June 09, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
What Yamaha did with the four stroke is the reason I pick them as the first to break away. The made a lot of $ with the early jump on four strokes. Imagine this. When the timing is right they bring out an all new YZ250 that is on par with KTM and the others. And they make a deal with the other 2T brands to make them all legal for Nationals. Put just 5 top riders on legal 2 strokes. They would need to make at least 10 for each dealer.
You sir, are a clever man. I'd wager that all the big four know the day is coming when the four stroke market crashes. I'm sure they've all got designs for a completely new 2 stroke locked up in their vaults somewhere and are just waiting till they've milked the four stroke dry before releasing it and making even more bucket loads.
Post by: scotty dog on June 09, 2012, 11:12:42 PM
Yeah, except for Honda!!!What Yamaha did with the four stroke is the reason I pick them as the first to break away. The made a lot of $ with the early jump on four strokes. Imagine this. When the timing is right they bring out an all new YZ250 that is on par with KTM and the others. And they make a deal with the other 2T brands to make them all legal for Nationals. Put just 5 top riders on legal 2 strokes. They would need to make at least 10 for each dealer.
You sir, are a clever man. I'd wager that all the big four know the day is coming when the four stroke market crashes. I'm sure they've all got designs for a completely new 2 stroke locked up in their vaults somewhere and are just waiting till they've milked the four stroke dry before releasing it and making even more bucket loads.
Post by: Stusmoke on June 10, 2012, 02:06:16 AM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on June 10, 2012, 09:38:15 AM
Post by: Super Trucker on June 10, 2012, 05:10:41 PM
Either way vintage the Richie family that owns Red Bud was asked to raise there ticket prices for this years national and they said no so this year will be the last national at Red BudI hope that,s a rumor. There,s nothing on there website, about 12 being the last race, didn,t hear nothing about it either. Just a saturday ticket is 40.00 now, nobody wants to spend a ton of money, but it,s RedBud if the pitpass is 40 bucks people will pay it. RedBud has the liveliest crown, they have the July 4th weekend locked in for years, the best weekend to have a race. Sorry for hijacking the thread Watson, I say show up and race. The window for being fast enough to race a national is a short one.
Post by: eprovenzano on June 13, 2012, 06:29:05 PM
How go the plans?
Post by: Watson777 on June 13, 2012, 11:50:53 PM
Post by: SwapperMX on June 17, 2012, 08:08:42 AM
After Renner (?) went on about riding an oversize 125 at Daytona, Anyone else turning up on a 2t, Will have their engine inspected, just as He did when he next went to race.
Rules are rules, no matter how bloody bad they are. I'd say that anyone, who is caught now for OS engines, be they 125 based , or 250f based, or 250 2t based, will get royally reamed, as an example, by MX Sports / AMA. It would be a perfect opportunity, for them to be seen as actually doing something......................
Who rode the TSMX 250? John's one? I thought it was Watson77, but obviously, not.
To answer your question, cos no one else did, it was Mike Leavitt that rode the Project Two 50 bike.
Post by: scotty dog on June 17, 2012, 10:16:47 AM
Thats the fella, i kept thinkin Sleeter......After Renner (?) went on about riding an oversize 125 at Daytona, Anyone else turning up on a 2t, Will have their engine inspected, just as He did when he next went to race.
Rules are rules, no matter how bloody bad they are. I'd say that anyone, who is caught now for OS engines, be they 125 based , or 250f based, or 250 2t based, will get royally reamed, as an example, by MX Sports / AMA. It would be a perfect opportunity, for them to be seen as actually doing something......................
Who rode the TSMX 250? John's one? I thought it was Watson77, but obviously, not.
To answer your question, cos no one else did, it was Mike Leavitt that rode the Project Two 50 bike.
Post by: motoman356 on June 18, 2012, 09:24:18 PM
i only mention it because i tested it once. i picked up a 144 with the flywheel already on it for trail riding and on fast sweepers and slippy turns it helped keep the rear end in line