Post by: chump6784 on May 22, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
It wasn't a race day, just a practice day. The quickest guys were the first two on the track then the ktm guy, an RMZ 450 guy and me. I settled in behind the guy on the KTM, he was running about the speed i could run and the track being tight and on lined i couldnt get around him if a wanted to.
The biggest thing i noticed was how well that ktm got out of corners. Some of the corners still had grass on them and were pretty slick, other corners were first gear or clutch 2nd and he just turned the throttle and it drove straight out. I, on the other hand was having to get my clutch and throttle spot on to keep with him with the bike slipping and sliding around a bit. i could catch him through the tighter S bends and going into the corners but he definitely had the advantage on the exits
Another thing i noticed was that the first two fast guys were hardly pulling away from us. By the end of 15 minutes they maybe had a 10-20 second gap. I was really surprised with that.
In the 3rd session the KTM guy and one of the fast guys swapped bikes. The fast guy has a 2011 yz450f. We started in about the same order except that i was in front of the ktm guy(now on the yzf). Within a couple of laps the fast guy was gone on the ktm, he left us for dead. The ktm guy overtook me at one stage and then crashed a couple turns later.
after that session i met up with them in the pits. The ktm guy couldnt believe how bad the yzf handled, he just couldnt get any grip in the rear of the bike. The fast guy, a die hard yamaha fan and a hater of ktm only had 2 bad things to say about the ktm. The oversize tank that the owner had put on and the vibration in the footpegs. He said he loved every other part of it. i even joked and said that he might have to upgrade to a 2 stroke. He smiled and kind of agreed.
We are starting to see some 250 2 strokes popping up in the lites class but nothing in the opens. after seeing that ktm perform the open class on a 300 looks very appealing when it is time to upgrade bikes
Post by: LukeDuke25 on May 22, 2012, 01:13:14 PM
Post by: Recovered on May 22, 2012, 01:33:59 PM
I think within 3 years, the "lites" class in the Ams will have more two-strokes than four strokes, provided there are OEM options.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on May 22, 2012, 03:44:15 PM
Plus it gets awesome grip even in the wet like it was that day, I only crashed once all day and thatonly because one of the KXF 450s I were trying to pass spun out on a straight and I hit the side of him.
Post by: chump6784 on May 22, 2012, 07:56:42 PM
You won't see anything pop up in the open class, no one runs it.
I think within 3 years, the "lites" class in the Ams will have more two-strokes than four strokes, provided there are OEM options.
you got that right. the lites class here is usually double the number of bikes of any other class
Post by: scotty dog on May 23, 2012, 01:24:36 AM
At the last event i went to the clubman lites had two groups coz there were too many for one race, 250 smokers dominated and there were a few 150's. Open was all 4'sYou won't see anything pop up in the open class, no one runs it.
I think within 3 years, the "lites" class in the Ams will have more two-strokes than four strokes, provided there are OEM options.
you got that right. the lites class here is usually double the number of bikes of any other class
Some dude rode this beast in the support class at RD 4 of the Aussie Nats
Post by: Recovered on May 23, 2012, 01:38:54 AM
250C is what is willy-nilly. all kinds of crazy shit going on. pile ups, stacks of bodies, competitors getting pregnant, bikes grenading, people going backwards, low-visors.
Post by: scotty dog on May 23, 2012, 01:45:05 AM
250C is what is willy-nilly. all kinds of crazy shit going on. pile ups, stacks of bodies, competitors getting pregnant, bikes grenading, people going backwards, low-visors.Whoa!! steer clear of that mayhem
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 23, 2012, 02:16:27 AM
250C is what is willy-nilly. all kinds of crazy shit going on. pile ups, stacks of bodies, competitors getting pregnant, bikes grenading, people going backwards, low-visors.
hey man that's where all the fun is
Post by: scotty dog on May 23, 2012, 02:21:21 AM
Dunno bout the gettin pregnant bit
250C is what is willy-nilly. all kinds of crazy shit going on. pile ups, stacks of bodies, competitors getting pregnant, bikes grenading, people going backwards, low-visors.
hey man that's where all the fun is
Post by: Recovered on May 23, 2012, 02:57:48 AM
250C is what is willy-nilly. all kinds of crazy shit going on. pile ups, stacks of bodies, competitors getting pregnant, bikes grenading, people going backwards, low-visors.
hey man that's where all the fun is
i used to think that way back when. then it just gets old when you prep your bike all week, drive 4 hours to a race, and it ends in 15 seconds when some asshole's throttle sticks going into the first turn and he rips your radiator off.
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 23, 2012, 03:09:51 AM
250C is what is willy-nilly. all kinds of crazy shit going on. pile ups, stacks of bodies, competitors getting pregnant, bikes grenading, people going backwards, low-visors.
hey man that's where all the fun is
i used to think that way back when. then it just gets old when you prep your bike all week, drive 4 hours to a race, and it ends in 15 seconds when some asshole's throttle sticks going into the first turn and he rips your radiator off.
wow you just described a race i had a few years ago, a buddy of mine on a 250f did that, his throttle stuck, and he plowed right into me, damn near broke my foot, he crushed my exhaust pipe, and made my radiator look like a lopsided slinky
luckily he was about 130 pounds so he just bounced off of me and i kept riding, i didn't know my bike was messed up until after the moto, luckily nothing was leaking and the exhaust was good enough to run the second moto
Post by: chump6784 on May 23, 2012, 06:09:49 AM
My dad has been watching me race lately and said how soft I have gotten as far as block passing and letting faster guys through. thing is I thought I was still pretty aggressive, I must have been a real prick when I was younger
Post by: TMKIWI on May 24, 2012, 10:28:01 AM
I went from a RM250 to the TM300 and the low down torque is night and day between the 2.
You can crack the throttle open from very low revs and the 300 will just pull it self out of corners were the 250 will bog down or you have to use lots of clutch.
Just like what you saw.
When the track is slick a 300 gets better traction.
I am qiucker and get less tired on the 300 then I was on the 250.
Post by: chump6784 on May 24, 2012, 10:37:31 AM
You should try and get a ride on a 300 chump.i would love to. The way he was getting on the gas it looked just like a four stroke off the bottom with the two stroke hit in the middle and less weight.
I went from a RM250 to the TM300 and the low down torque is night and day between the 2.
You can crack the throttle open from very low revs and the 300 will just pull it self out of corners were the 250 will bog down or you have to use lots of clutch.
Just like what you saw.
When the track is slick a 300 gets better traction.
I am qiucker and get less tired on the 300 then I was on the 250.
I have actually been looking at TM's lately as they are the same price as KTM's and a bit different. How do you find the build quality on yours. I have read a few forums where people have had to do things like go over the bike and put tape where the plastics rub the frame, put foam under the carb cos the airbox is flimsy, poor quality plastics etc. Either that or do like MXA did and get a Husky 300 and spec it for moto, those things are fairly cheap and they have a dealer not far from me
Post by: cnrcpla on May 24, 2012, 12:31:35 PM
Post by: nealy578 on May 24, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
You should try and get a ride on a 300 chump.
I went from a RM250 to the TM300 and the low down torque is night and day between the 2.
You can crack the throttle open from very low revs and the 300 will just pull it self out of corners were the 250 will bog down or you have to use lots of clutch.
Just like what you saw.
When the track is slick a 300 gets better traction.
I am qiucker and get less tired on the 300 then I was on the 250.
I have to agree, im much faster on my 300SX than my old YZ250. It's much better in the wet, i think im quicker as im not having to clutch it out of corners as there's always power there! alot less going broad sideways and loss of traction but if i feel like it another few mm of throttle and she will spin on a dime!
Post by: TMKIWI on May 25, 2012, 08:07:33 AM
All I have done is 1 piston and the usual bearings, sprokets etc. Bike has done nearly 200hrs ?. I have an hour meter but havn't looked at it for a year.
Probably due for another ring.Mechanically as reliable as anything, I have never had an issue. The rings wont last as long as a KTM or GG as they have a very large exhaust port and only a single ring. I can live with that just to have something a little different.
I would hold off on the Husky as the 300 is getting a bit long in the tooth now but I hear Husky has a new range of smokers for 2013. Although I wouldn't mind a 144 to play on.
Your comment about your mates 300 pulling out of corners like a 4 stroke is true.
There is a reason 300's are called 3 strokes.
Post by: chump6784 on May 25, 2012, 09:51:23 AM
Post by: beaner on May 25, 2012, 03:07:47 PM
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My club has no cc classes. Everybody is classed by skill level, so I'm racing against 450's with my 125. A little more (smooth) power might not hurt.
Post by: dsrtrider48 on May 25, 2012, 05:25:03 PM
If you are talking about the 300 xc or xc-w that is different. my 300 xc-w motor is great at the track but not the suspension. the suspension is good for offroad but you need to revalve for mx only.
i dont like my 250 sx suspension offroad but love it at the track and i love my 300 suspension on tight rocky desert trails but hate it at the track.
MXA just tesed the 300xc for moto and said same thing. need to revise suspension for moto.
Post by: beaner on May 25, 2012, 05:53:21 PM
This bike
Might be ok for me, I'm only 150 lbs. Almost everything is too stiff and over damped for me.
Post by: chump6784 on May 25, 2012, 11:19:59 PM
Post by: Premixed on May 26, 2012, 02:36:56 AM
It is the exact opposite in my neck of the woods. Open class is sketchy because everybody just pins it and who or what ever gets in the way is either getting run over or an accident will happen.
How far is Diamond MX in Delaware from you? I'll be there tomorrow. Lets see what the YZ is made of.
Post by: cnrcpla on May 26, 2012, 04:39:57 AM
Come up my way and we can see what that SX of doom is made of 
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How far is Diamond MX in Delaware from you? I'll be there tomorrow. Lets see what the YZ is made of.Oh and by the way, my YZ is made of steel, aluminum, and awesomeness
hahaha
Post by: TotalNZ on May 26, 2012, 08:35:51 AM
I got my 09 new and yeah there are a number of things that need attention straight away, nothing major though and mechanically the bike is faultless.You should try and get a ride on a 300 chump.i would love to. The way he was getting on the gas it looked just like a four stroke off the bottom with the two stroke hit in the middle and less weight.
I went from a RM250 to the TM300 and the low down torque is night and day between the 2.
You can crack the throttle open from very low revs and the 300 will just pull it self out of corners were the 250 will bog down or you have to use lots of clutch.
Just like what you saw.
When the track is slick a 300 gets better traction.
I am qiucker and get less tired on the 300 then I was on the 250.
I have actually been looking at TM's lately as they are the same price as KTM's and a bit different. How do you find the build quality on yours. I have read a few forums where people have had to do things like go over the bike and put tape where the plastics rub the frame, put foam under the carb cos the airbox is flimsy, poor quality plastics etc. Either that or do like MXA did and get a Husky 300 and spec it for moto, those things are fairly cheap and they have a dealer not far from me
I'm stoked with my 300, would never go back.