Post by: metal_miracle on May 14, 2012, 02:02:43 PM
http://www.motoblog.it/post/38101/anticipazione-gamma-cross-ktm-2013
Post by: Suzuki TS250/185 on May 14, 2012, 02:33:01 PM
But, you know what KTM really needs to do? Or maybe some other company like UFO? THEY need to ditch those STUPID 4 STROKE GAS TANKS...
There is NO REASON for these beautiful bikes to be carrying the fuel WAY UP IN THE AIR.
FOR GOD's SAKE KTM, build a gas tank with deeper lobes so the fuel can ride down lower.
4 Strokes NEED to carry their fuel up that high because of how rediculously tall their engines and those STUPID fuel injection crutches are... But a 2 stroke with an engine and it's carb crouching way down low in the chassis DOES NOT NEED a retarded 4 Stroke gas tank with a flat floor 48 inches off the ground... and a whole freaking picture window's height above the head....
Post by: Recovered on May 14, 2012, 02:42:30 PM
Of course, the whole KTM lineup looks great, excluding the porkers of course. They look as heavy and stupid as they always have...
But, you know what KTM really needs to do? Or maybe some other company like UFO? THEY need to ditch those STUPID 4 STROKE GAS TANKS...
There is NO REASON for these beautiful bikes to be carrying the fuel WAY UP IN THE AIR.
FOR GOD's SAKE KTM, build a gas tank with deeper lobes so the fuel can ride down lower.
4 Strokes NEED to carry their fuel up that high because of how rediculously tall their engines and those STUPID fuel injection crutches are... But a 2 stroke with an engine and it's carb crouching way down low in the chassis DOES NOT NEED a retarded 4 Stroke gas tank with a flat floor 48 inches off the ground... and a whole freaking picture window's height above the head....
They were low until 07.
Post by: cnrcpla on May 14, 2012, 02:45:34 PM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on May 14, 2012, 03:21:36 PM
BTW, where is the carby on that pic of the 85?
Post by: cnrcpla on May 14, 2012, 03:34:39 PM
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BTW, where is the carby on that pic of the 85?I was wondering that myself.
Post by: citabjockey on May 14, 2012, 05:40:31 PM
Post by: Recovered on May 14, 2012, 05:54:31 PM
Case Reed induction? (i.e. no intake port in the jug)?
yea, that's how my 125sx is too.
Post by: metal_miracle on May 14, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 15, 2012, 07:59:59 AM
Of course, the whole KTM lineup looks great, excluding the porkers of course. They look as heavy and stupid as they always have...
But, you know what KTM really needs to do? Or maybe some other company like UFO? THEY need to ditch those STUPID 4 STROKE GAS TANKS...
There is NO REASON for these beautiful bikes to be carrying the fuel WAY UP IN THE AIR.
FOR GOD's SAKE KTM, build a gas tank with deeper lobes so the fuel can ride down lower.
4 Strokes NEED to carry their fuel up that high because of how rediculously tall their engines and those STUPID fuel injection crutches are... But a 2 stroke with an engine and it's carb crouching way down low in the chassis DOES NOT NEED a retarded 4 Stroke gas tank with a flat floor 48 inches off the ground... and a whole freaking picture window's height above the head....
I dunno I like the look. I hate the low riding gas tanks cos I have to take it off if I want to get at the spark plug. That drives me crazy if I'm messing with my fuel/air mixture
Post by: metal_miracle on May 15, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
i like the gas thank but, one thing is that draining gas tank on newer ktm`s are not working
Post by: Brap on May 15, 2012, 11:03:59 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 15, 2012, 11:25:20 AM
Post by: scotty dog on May 15, 2012, 11:46:23 AM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on May 15, 2012, 12:10:01 PM
Same goes for 2T's. Gasoline weighs about 6 lbs per gallon so we all have 12 or more lbs sitting above the spine of the motorcycle. That is a pretty significant amount of weight.
With EFI, a couple of additional advantages are available in addition to the obvious. First, you have to have a fuel pump. That means you can put fuel BELOW the intake (ever notice you tank never protrudes below the carb?) and thus move that 12+ lbs much lower. Second is, you should never foul another plug since your computer is continually adapting the fuel/air ratio, so no need to struggle with those low slung tanks to continually change the plug. Sure, you might have to remove the tank to do it, but then you'll probably only change the plug when you change a ring!
Post by: yota on May 16, 2012, 09:55:24 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 17, 2012, 01:04:42 PM
We bitch and whine about how heavy the 4$ are, but it really is not how heavy they are in pounds; it is how heavy they feel. That weight felt is due to so much of it being carried to high on the chassis. By lowering the center of gravity, the bike "feels" light and nimble.
Same goes for 2T's. Gasoline weighs about 6 lbs per gallon so we all have 12 or more lbs sitting above the spine of the motorcycle. That is a pretty significant amount of weight.
With EFI, a couple of additional advantages are available in addition to the obvious. First, you have to have a fuel pump. That means you can put fuel BELOW the intake (ever notice you tank never protrudes below the carb?) and thus move that 12+ lbs much lower. Second is, you should never foul another plug since your computer is continually adapting the fuel/air ratio, so no need to struggle with those low slung tanks to continually change the plug. Sure, you might have to remove the tank to do it, but then you'll probably only change the plug when you change a ring!
I've been saying that for a while. I mean really, the 250 dumpers are almost on par in terms of dry weight with the 250 SX its the fact that all that weight is centered up high which is what makes it feel like the bike is sexually attracted to the ground through corners
Post by: Chrisshire on May 17, 2012, 01:12:45 PM
Post by: scotty dog on May 17, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
It has more to do with all the heavy spinning parts creating gyroscopic forcesYea thats why the pieces of shit wanna go straight instead of around a corner
Post by: Super Trucker on May 17, 2012, 07:21:26 PM
Post by: Recovered on May 17, 2012, 07:43:20 PM
Ktm needs to drop that ugly color, nobody likes it but color blind folks. The best part of the bike is the side plates, a copy of honda,s .
if you got up close to a KTM and saw how 3 dimensional they are, they are absolutely nothing like a hondas.
KTM has absolutely left japan in the dust. and they did it by outsourcing. acerbis plastics, WP (which is now ktm) suspension, excel wheels, all sorts of shit.
Japan, being the stingy shrewd mercantile economy that they are refuse to outsource anything and make everything in house. problem is, if someone else is making something better in THEIR house, you should contract them to make that certain part. japan wont do it, so fuck 'em.
orange isnt for everyone though. i wouldnt cry if they went back to mid-90s white, that's for sure.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on May 17, 2012, 10:55:03 PM
Ktm needs to drop that ugly color, nobody likes it but color blind folks. The best part of the bike is the side plates, a copy of honda,s .
I love the orange colour myself and let's face it even if you don't like the stock its only £80 to change them, also the KTM number boards are nothing like the honda ones, have you seen a 2011 onwards KTM?
Post by: Stusmoke on May 18, 2012, 12:44:23 AM
Post by: Super Trucker on May 18, 2012, 05:39:33 AM
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on May 18, 2012, 10:39:33 AM
I,m talking about the rear of the side plates, the only area of the plate to add style, that,s 02 and up hondas. The jap bikes had excell wheels since about 98. The orange color works for county plow trucks and wood chippers, another industrial color is on CAT heavy equipment, that wouldn,t look good on a bike either. In 1990 they where white with a mint green seat cover with a regular front fender, looked ok, the pros called it the Kmart bike,because of the big K on the shrouds. That front fender has to go also, too many weird pointy shapes. Think of the hood of your car, would you want a smooth lined hood or weird pointed hood. A pal of mine ownes a ktm dealership, I saw the new 2012,s there. I still don,t fit on a ktm, but honestly does anyone fit perfectly on one, I think there built for short riders, because the fit is way off for a tall rider. They have strong motors tho, in 99 the SX 125 started showing up at the races. Everyone knew he would be up front on the start and not to follow because the bike will start cartwheeling.
I think you just have to take a minute to get used to the feel of them, I've been riding KTMs for about a year now (2003 SX 125 and now a 2008 EXC 200) and I have to say I really couldn't see myself going back to a jap bike again and after one ride on my 03 SX my mate then went and bought a 2011 SX 150 after being a honda rider all his life. But yyeah I do understand your point there by no means copying the jap bikes.
Post by: scotty dog on May 20, 2012, 03:10:22 AM
Post by: Recovered on May 21, 2012, 04:29:09 PM
and the bars still have 4 mounting positions and have for 12-13 years, just like the new earth shattering "race ready" KXF450 that just got them for 2013.
Late to the game with everything, Kawasaki is.
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on May 22, 2012, 11:53:39 AM
Color. <sigh>. I...they...Well...OK. Let me start off by saying I think branding and color are STUPID. You should buy a bike just like a car - "I want a ____ one". We should not be limited to 5 colors (plus black and white). That said...Red belongs to Husqvarna and Orange...SachsGS? CAN-AM!!!! I've a garage full of orange and red now. I want different colors.
I will probably change my 144 when the graphis FINALLY wear out in a Penton Jackpiner motif - Blue with yellow piping, silver frame, black seat, white fenders.
Post by: metal_miracle on May 22, 2012, 01:10:25 PM
and why they did choose to make sidepanels mount that way i dont know.
but i like the look and shape of the 2011+ bikes
Post by: nom de guerre on May 22, 2012, 01:25:38 PM
Post by: Lolerbabop on May 22, 2012, 08:33:46 PM
Post by: snook620 on May 23, 2012, 06:45:49 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on May 24, 2012, 07:56:29 AM
To each his own
Post by: Lolerbabop on May 24, 2012, 09:04:06 AM
I agree with snook. I like the darker orange color and the darker graphics make it look meanerIt's the shape i dont like.
To each his own
Post by: Brap on May 24, 2012, 01:39:11 PM
I agree with snook. I like the darker orange color and the darker graphics make it look meanerIt's the shape i dont like.
To each his own
I think it looks alright
Post by: Lolerbabop on May 24, 2012, 09:27:12 PM
Well i don't.I agree with snook. I like the darker orange color and the darker graphics make it look meanerIt's the shape i dont like.
To each his own
I think it looks alright