Post by: Premixed on October 02, 2011, 10:07:19 PM
I am calling complete bullshit, but if anyone cares to dig on that rumor, i'd love to hear what you find.
Post by: burn1986 on October 03, 2011, 11:39:23 AM
Post by: eprovenzano on October 03, 2011, 03:19:19 PM
Post by: ford832 on October 03, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Post by: citabjockey on October 03, 2011, 07:46:42 PM
Never happen.Honda is fourstroke all the way and has been for years.As soon as they could dump the 2t,they did.They'd never go back on corporate policy now-it would be like admitting they were wrong.
Post by: scotty dog on October 03, 2011, 07:49:59 PM
Post by: factoryX on October 03, 2011, 11:31:31 PM
Post by: ACMX on October 03, 2011, 11:39:10 PM
Post by: Tharrell on October 04, 2011, 02:58:12 AM
Honda was against 2 strokes once before, before they brought a dominating CR250 Elsinore out.
Honda is a corporation, corporations are in business to make money.
When it makes business sense to bring 2 strokes out, they will again.
Meanwhile, I'll keep riding all my 2 strokes while others are rebuilding valve trains.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the 4 strokes.
I love the technology.
What I hate is, there is no choice.
On a side note, I can tell you first hand that the Honda service personnel do not like to work on the new engines.
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on October 04, 2011, 05:12:18 AM
If the hype about DI is anywhere near true, Honda could join the revolution, just like they did in the '70's. Back then they hated 2T's but gurdgingly joined the frey because they couldn't compete otherwise. There used to be a great story of the beginnings of the 2T motocross bike at Honda on Ed Youngblood's http://www.motohistory.net (http://www.motohistory.net) but I can't find it now.
Post by: rookie on October 04, 2011, 05:56:24 AM
with the right frame, right suspension, right handling like the CR back in the 90's
i would get it!
Post by: SachsGS on October 04, 2011, 06:59:39 AM
Post by: EJ on October 04, 2011, 08:35:41 AM
As most of you know, Honda only competes under rules wich suit them to be able to win,
and then we will most likely see a return of the 2 strokes!
Post by: TMKIWI on October 04, 2011, 12:44:01 PM
Ever heard of "chinese whispers"
Post by: TMKIWI on October 04, 2011, 02:42:21 PM
(http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/tmkiwi/1435_p.jpg)
:-* :-*
Post by: factoryX on October 04, 2011, 03:44:14 PM
Post by: TMKIWI on October 04, 2011, 04:43:53 PM
Since when did honda ever make a 2 stroke trail bike ;D
1999.
CRM250. :)
Post by: ford832 on October 04, 2011, 04:58:16 PM
Post by: citabjockey on October 04, 2011, 07:09:59 PM
(http://www.bikeboneyard.com/75%20honda%20mr-175%20l.JPG)
1975 MT250:
(http://www.alp-sys.com/honda-elsinore/bikeofthemonth/oct2003_files/DanRoe75mt250.jpg)
Since when did honda ever make a 2 stroke trail bike ;D
Post by: Premixed on October 04, 2011, 08:01:11 PM
Since when did honda ever make a 2 stroke trail bike ;D
1999.
CRM250. :)
they only did that because in Japan its street legal. and believe me, the roads are still flooded with them. seat foam all cut out so the twinks can reach the ground at red lights.
Post by: TMKIWI on October 04, 2011, 08:09:22 PM
From all reports I have heard, they were crap as well. ;D
Post by: oldermxr on October 05, 2011, 04:01:38 PM
Post by: Super Trucker on October 05, 2011, 04:13:54 PM
Post by: Premixed on October 05, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
Post by: EJ on October 06, 2011, 02:53:36 AM
Post by: factoryX on October 06, 2011, 03:56:35 AM
i dont think its the four strokes doing that by themselves though.No, it isn't just the 4 stroke, even though the majority of the problem is. Bad marketing schemes, AMA changing rules every year to favor a certain motor design >:-D, other organizations mimicking the rule changes, bad media, bad bike sales, and the fact that people are broke are all contributing factors. The problem is that people want a bike that will last 10 years or more, and when that bike is outdated every year, whats the point? One example of bad media was from today as I was reading a MXA article about the 2012 CRF450R, and all they said was how much they hated the bike and how honda failed to fix certain aspects like a 4 spring clutch, shitty brakes, and how the bike made less horse power up top than the 08 model.. :-X But in the end they said that it was a great bike. Okay, am I missing something? So MXA is okay with blasting the bike, and yet they tell us to go out and buy it with confidence? Its slower than the rest of companies 450's, but hey it can still win with the right rider. ;D
Post by: SachsGS on October 06, 2011, 07:41:57 AM
Post by: oldermxr on October 06, 2011, 04:39:40 PM
Post by: oldermxr on October 06, 2011, 04:54:34 PM
Post by: streaks383 on October 06, 2011, 07:08:05 PM
Post by: overthebars on October 06, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
That's all ican find. More people hearing and spreading rumours.
Post by: travis.hudson.77 on February 28, 2013, 08:33:36 AM
Post by: scotty dog on February 28, 2013, 01:35:41 PM
Heard from a credible source that this may indeed be true. 2014 model. I have my fingers crossed!That would be sensational
Post by: Sheriff on February 28, 2013, 01:37:13 PM
Post by: travis.hudson.77 on February 28, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
Post by: kim wedding on February 28, 2013, 05:12:25 PM
Honda say's it's a 4$ company and to save face they can't return to 2s. If their smart they'll stop that non-sense and build kick butt 2stroke's. Too me that's how you save face. Correct a problem and move forward. I wish honda would just build carburated 2stroke's that work. I know that's possible not so sure of efi or di. It seem's efi on 4$ did'nt really make them better. If something not broke don't fix it!!!!! KIM
Post by: ford832 on February 28, 2013, 06:07:30 PM
It seem's honda has a policy of saving face. If they change something on a bike like a 5 speed transmission and it turn's out a 6 speed is better they woun't go to the 6 speed because it makes them look bad.
That's completely true with Honda and always has been.It's happened many times over on their bikes,street and dirt.
Honda will never make another 2t dirt bike,it's just that simple.End of discussion.
Post by: citabjockey on February 28, 2013, 06:28:53 PM
Honda entered motocross kicking and screaming (at least the founder was not happy about it) with a two stroke bike that the corporate policy was dead set against in 1972.
Also, they really pushed their own four stroke version of a GP 500cc bike to compete against all the RG's and OW's of the day. It failed and then they brought out a two stroke, agian while holding their noses so to speak.
So they try to adhere to the 4T line but when necessary they have broken from that -- so I guess you are right. To save face (they don't like getting beat at racing).
So with the 4T handicap in MX then honda will not bring back a two stroke. BUT if the rules AT THE TOP are changed they sure as heck will if their offerings are no longer competitive. Of course the corollary is that Honda will do what they can to keep the 4T handicap in place.
It seem's honda has a policy of saving face. If they change something on a bike like a 5 speed transmission and it turn's out a 6 speed is better they woun't go to the 6 speed because it makes them look bad.
That's completely true with Honda and always has been.It's happened many times over on their bikes,street and dirt.
Honda will never make another 2t dirt bike,it's just that simple.End of discussion.
Post by: Stusmoke on February 28, 2013, 11:07:41 PM
Honda is a company, they will sell what the market wants. As a big arse company, they will also manipulate the market into buying what they want to sell. All the Japanese manufacturers LOVE four strokes. Who the hell wouldn't? They don't suffer for the 2 year old models still sitting on the showroom floor at the dealers. The bikes you see in the dealers aren't being sold by Kawasaki, or Honda, they're being sold by the dealer who bought them off the factory. Then, after 40 hours of hard racing on a 250F, these expensive bikes are back in for an 1800 dollar top end rebuild. That would probably be around $100 profit for Kawasaki if they went genuine.
All the companies are making so much more money off of the four strokes, it would be stupid to tear down their carefully constructed market web by telling the world that their bikes suck. They will milk this four stroke market dry before they release their two strokes which they no doubt have locked up in their vaults. As we've all seen at the motocross track and enduro circuit, its swinging back in the two stroke direction because people decided to stop swallowing the four stroke BS. Now its just a matter of time.
Post by: vetman on February 28, 2013, 11:47:44 PM
Post by: Jeram on March 01, 2013, 12:06:29 AM
I know.
From all reports I have heard, they were crap as well.
pretty good for what they were built for.
20,000km major rebuilds beats everything else from the era!
4 stroke tractability up hills etc
and mine puts out 50hp
Post by: Jeram on March 01, 2013, 12:08:16 AM
its just rumours, just like the DI bergs and ktms I hear about every year!
even the OSSA's too!
Post by: motoxr377 on March 01, 2013, 12:14:13 AM
OSSA's too!
...which makes me sad. So promising, we'll see if they come through.
Post by: Jeram on March 01, 2013, 12:24:56 AM
PIMPLY FACE TEENAGE
VITAL MX
2011
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/2014-honda-rumor,1225439?page=1
Post by: kim wedding on March 01, 2013, 12:26:08 AM
If all honda made was a cr125 it suit's me just fine. I don't give a crap about car's,suv's, atv's just 2s dirt bike's and here's where i hope honda read's this post. Make all that you sell and make it the best. Don't make to many of one thing while ignoring another. Make as many 2s's as desired same for 4$. If honda would build a 125 cr with a better powerband and a six-speed tranmission and put it in a 2007 frame people would buy them, same with a 250 cr. Do nothing more than fix the flawed motor and i bet those bike's would sell. I know some of you hate honda and some are die hard honda lover's but everyone should admit that 2s cr's are cool same as rm's and kx's.
One more thing to save face to me is not so much saying you were wrong but in this case building some killer 2s cr's. How many rider's would'nt love to see new 2s honda's or kawasaki. IT'S LONG OVER DUE. Hope i made that simple.. KIM
Post by: Lolerbabop on March 01, 2013, 12:36:13 AM
Post by: Jeram on March 01, 2013, 12:37:32 AM
This post show's people want 2s cr's and other people want a rm or kx and the fact is 2s are suppost to be exempt from the epa because of their close course status. Then why is it ALWAY'S SAID we have to make 2s cleaner. 4S were given an advantage solely because they made less emission out the exhaust. Now if they use more oil through the transmission that's another story. Their much louder and i could go on knocking them but it's really beating a dead horse. Honda and the rest of them better get smart or get stuck with a bunch of bike's no one want's.
If all honda made was a cr125 it suit's me just fine. I don't give a crap about car's,suv's, atv's just 2s dirt bike's and here's where i hope honda read's this post. Make all that you sell and make it the best. Don't make to many of one thing while ignoring another. Make as many 2s's as desired same for 4$. If honda would build a 125 cr with a better powerband and a six-speed tranmission and put it in a 2007 frame people would buy them, same with a 250 cr. Do nothing more than fix the flawed motor and i bet those bike's would sell. I know some of you hate honda and some are die hard honda lover's but everyone should admit that 2s cr's are cool same as rm's and kx's.
One more thing to save face to me is not so much saying you were wrong but in this case building some killer 2s cr's. How many rider's would'nt love to see new 2s honda's or kawasaki. IT'S LONG OVER DUE. Hope i made that simple.. KIM
the closed course claim is null and void because what wins on sunday sells on monday.
If a customer cant buy a 'replica' of a particular MX race bike and ride it in the woods then the bike manufacturer cant make a profit to justify its expense of developing a race bike.
Post by: kim wedding on March 01, 2013, 12:53:57 AM
Post by: travis.hudson.77 on March 02, 2013, 06:22:07 AM
It seem's honda has a policy of saving face. If they change something on a bike like a 5 speed transmission and it turn's out a 6 speed is better they woun't go to the 6 speed because it makes them look bad.
That's completely true with Honda and always has been.It's happened many times over on their bikes,street and dirt.
Honda will never make another 2t dirt bike,it's just that simple.End of discussion.
Wrong.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on March 02, 2013, 09:22:07 AM
Support the ones that ARE making smokers, don't just whinge about those who don't.
Post by: evo550 on March 02, 2013, 09:49:05 AM
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on March 02, 2013, 10:10:18 AM
My money is on a 2014 Maico over a Honda.
Yey. If they're good then I may buy one myself.
Post by: _X_ on March 02, 2013, 02:24:46 PM
I wish some people on here would quit whining about not being able to buy a cr125 and instead just went and spent some actual money on supporting those companies that do still make 125 smokers (and 144s for that matter).man up and point them newhouse,HA!
Support the ones that ARE making smokers, don't just whinge about those who don't.
Post by: kim wedding on March 02, 2013, 05:37:09 PM
So my question is when does this sport do right by me. I've alway's been loyal to moto-x as well as the brand's i like as long as they make a quality product and i may someday have to buy a different brand of bike other than the honda cr 125 i prefer but that does'nt mean i won't fight for a cr. I'M A MOTOCROSSER i don't back down from a challenge i fight and maybe if honda see's all the people who want 2s cr's maybe just maybe they'll start to make them. How cool would that be to know that because people did'nt quit posting their desire for these bike's the manufacture's started building them again. To be one of the people to get honda to come back to 2s mx would be worth bragging about better than telling them to punk out and buy second best. KIM
Post by: Suzuki TS250/185 on March 02, 2013, 06:44:42 PM
I'm hoping to see them still stuck with like 8 CRF Onefarties at Hanover Power Sports this weekend. Seeing those 2008 models still sitting there makes me laugh harder every time.
Nothing's more fun than a 100% fooper company falling on it's face!
Post by: kim wedding on March 02, 2013, 07:25:51 PM
If enough bike shop's call corporate and tell them i got all kind's of buyer's for a 2s mx bike it just might turn the tide's in our favor. Now if a pro rider or two would ride one that they bought and are riding on their time and post it for the whole world to see. I use to look up to motocrosser's as Hero's now their all just 4$ loser's. I hate even saying that. I know some of them prefer 2s but don't have the gut's to race them and that SUCK'S. Even now with the unfair rule's against 2stroke's i'm still lining up with one against the 4$ at my level. Wish i was a pro so i could prove it at that level. My favorite riding now is a small farmer owned sand track that does'nt have any 4$ bike's rode on it. KIM
Post by: Lolerbabop on March 02, 2013, 08:43:23 PM
Post by: _X_ on March 02, 2013, 10:10:46 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on March 02, 2013, 10:23:31 PM
RacerX's vagina says: Who the fuck would want a 2 stroke? 4 strokes rule!
This gave me a good giggle.
Personally, ever since Fonda went all 4 stroke I don't care about them at all. I do enjoy watching them fail though, that's my favorite!
I'm hoping to see them still stuck with like 8 CRF Onefarties at Hanover Power Sports this weekend. Seeing those 2008 models still sitting there makes me laugh harder every time.
Nothing's more fun than a 100% fooper company falling on it's face!
I agree, but I do feel sorry for the people who've carried the honda brand for a decade or more, the people that sold the two strokes and then had to stick with Fondas all four stroke all the time choice or drop the brand. I think alot of people are seriously considering dropping the Honda brand.
Funnily enough, at my local shop the Hondas sell like hotcakes. They've only got one '13 CRF450R left and not a single older model brand new.
Post by: _X_ on March 02, 2013, 10:32:25 PM
Post by: riffraff on March 02, 2013, 11:50:52 PM
Post by: kim wedding on March 02, 2013, 11:59:09 PM
I think if honda or any bike manufacture won't produce 2s mx bike's it's time someone else does and some companies already do. Now it's time to sell those bike's in red. Isn't red the most dominate color? I've often wondered if honda would not of been red would they have dominated like they had. I think by going red it helped set the aggressive tone of honda's r&d and i think it's the coolest color. Any bike i've had was either red or red was put on it and if i built 2s mx bike's you can bet they would be in red and or any color that rider's wanted. For me riding a dirt bike is cool but riding a red dirt bike is mo better. KIM
Post by: Stusmoke on March 03, 2013, 12:06:45 AM
theres nothing funny about a vagina, stu.
Maybe not, but when its used to bag you out its amusing
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on March 03, 2013, 10:50:17 AM
gpnewhouse, I don't get it you're on a post about honda cr rumor's and you're mad at people who oblivisiously like cr's. I don't know what bike you ride ? I don't know if you're loyal to one brand or not. I do know alot of people wish honda as well as other manufacture's would make 2s's again. Why would i go out and buy a bike i don't want just to say i support the sport. I support this sport everyday by loving it and trying to add my 2 cent's into the mix as well as buying the supplies to maintain the bike i have. I use to buy a bike every 2 year's when i could so i feel i've supported this sport then and now.
So my question is when does this sport do right by me. I've alway's been loyal to moto-x as well as the brand's i like as long as they make a quality product and i may someday have to buy a different brand of bike other than the honda cr 125 i prefer but that does'nt mean i won't fight for a cr. I'M A MOTOCROSSER i don't back down from a challenge i fight and maybe if honda see's all the people who want 2s cr's maybe just maybe they'll start to make them. How cool would that be to know that because people did'nt quit posting their desire for these bike's the manufacture's started building them again. To be one of the people to get honda to come back to 2s mx would be worth bragging about better than telling them to punk out and buy second best. KIM
Don't you think that maybe Honda would react more to the fact that smaller companies that sell smokers are taking away some of their market share than they would to someone posting on a forum?
And btw I'm not brand loyal, I buy what I feel to be the best bike for me.
I've had Hondas, Yamahas, Suzukis and KTMs and if Maico release a 125 then you`ll be able to add them to that list.
Oh and about you said you wanted a red two stroke, hello Maico.
Post by: Jeram on March 03, 2013, 12:00:27 PM
"I bought a 2013 ___________ two stroke because honda wont produce a new CR, another sale honda has missed out on."
*insert photo
Doesnt really matter if they are just generic photos from the internet, doesnt really even matter if you didnt actually buy a new two stroke this year, its more about the publicity stunt.
Lobbying is the only way to do things these days, and there are only two ways to do it.
1. with a shit load of money (which we dont have because if we wanted to throw money out the window we would be racing 250Fs)
2. with a shit load of people
Post by: _X_ on March 03, 2013, 12:11:10 PM
my head is small,
but the vag is large
i got me two hondas in my garage!
now don't you go hate'n on my skill,
cause the vag will tell ya f^@kin' chill!
peace!
Post by: Stusmoke on March 03, 2013, 01:10:33 PM
sing it with me:
my head is small,
but the vag is large
i got me two hondas in my garage!
now don't you go hate'n on my skill,
cause the vag will tell ya f^@kin' chill!
peace!
Slam dunk
woudnt be hard to get a bit of a Lobby action going if we got a large group of people together within a period of a few days and spammed the honda motorcycles facebook page with:
"I bought a 2013 ___________ two stroke because honda wont produce a new CR, another sale honda has missed out on."
*insert photo
Doesnt really matter if they are just generic photos from the internet, doesnt really even matter if you didnt actually buy a new two stroke this year, its more about the publicity stunt.
Lobbying is the only way to do things these days, and there are only two ways to do it.
1. with a shit load of money (which we dont have because if we wanted to throw money out the window we would be racing 250Fs)
2. with a shit load of people
Count me in. Face book accounts aren't all that hard to get into either. It would be hilarious for someone to get into Hondas and post up some very pro two stroke stuff....
This conversation never happened
Post by: kim wedding on March 03, 2013, 03:42:19 PM
Beside's if this is war you don't just attack from the front but from all angle's. VIVA LA REVOLUTION. Racer-x you're vagina is wack, next door neighbor is a butt crack , Man up and grab you're ball sack. I'm startin to spew venom in meter, verse and rhyme. Crazed white rapper without any skill just enough to make you all look ill only one thing left to do wipe my a** and flush you. just kiddin...
KIM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on March 03, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
Post by: bearorso on March 03, 2013, 05:09:39 PM
Yes, they Have used their influence to control racing class rules, and, through that influence, change the market, almost exclusively towards the Four Stroke.
Honda's Engineers, are their Engineers - they didn't have '2t specialists' in terms of career streams - they move their engineers constantly - they believe in multiple engineering skills. Yes, they'd keep Engineers in say, the 2t program for some time, but, unceremoniously, move them to something else.
I, for one, believe they will do All they can do, to stick to their "All Four Stroke, All The Time", ethos.
But, I hope that market pressure, changes that. As it did in the Seventies, with the massive Off Road explosion.
There could be a second version of that, if the potential markets of India, China and the ever growing South American Economies do just that - Grow. That of course, applies to Road Bikes, even more.
So many ignorant Westerners, think that the above mentioned markets will not be interested in Dirt Bikes - or just 'recreational motorcycles' in general. Well, as I've written on KTM Talk, with so many Millions of Millionaires, and Millions upon millions of new "middle class" people - if even a poofteenth, of a poofteenth of one percent of those people think Dirt Biking looks cool, there will be a market that utterly Dwarfs the "western market". And they have a Lot of land available, despite the Billions of people they have, as the population crowds into the cities.
Price, as always, will be a big factor, as will environmental cleanliness of production, and use will be an even bigger issue. A 2t will always have less materials used in their 'making', so, a cheaper engine is a given.
Who knows - Honda may well be 'forced' by market forces, to re-embrace 2t production. But you can guarantee they'll fight it.
As for power outputs - there's plenty to come from 4ts - just look at the power the Moto 3 bikes have, specifically Honda's, at a relatively low state of tune (a whole bucket load less than KTMs 2013 'purchasable' bike, though it it about 1/2 the price), but a lot more than current production MX250Fs. But, it's not particularly 'cheap power'. As Four Stroke power is Never cheap.They'll need something like the 'Holy Grail', a cheaper , more efficient induction train - such as the often pursued Rotary Valve. No guarantee it will be cheaper, of course ......
Here's a bit of wishful conspiracy theory for you - Honda, to get the 150F class at (some of) the GPs, agreed to bring back a 125 2t for the EMX125 class............ Even though I wrote it, I think it's BS. I'd say Luongo just shooftied a goodly wedge of money into an account on the 150F deal.
On another tack - but dealing with 2ts: BMWs German Husky CEO, often referred to the 2T DFI Husky being developed.
Now, was / is that a BMW proprietry technology / development, or Husky?
I'd think BMW's.
I'd be surprised if Pierer's (sp?) / Bajaj's Husky, has that tech as 'theirs'. I could be wrong.
But, with BMW having openly referred to it, and their refocusing on their street bikes, and their stated aim of going for the mass transport / commuter bike market, albeit the 'higher' end of it, the DFI 2t looks to be the best of solutions. I'd prefer that, than for it to be part of the Husky sale, and have it 'disappear' from sight, in preference to a 'one solution fits all, KTM system'. Mind you, Pierer / whoever ends up being the real owner of Husky, may have thought / may find that the BM /Husky DFI is better than their version - if it's part of the sale package.
If Honda never gets back to 2ts - and, with their corporate ethos, that's the most obvious thing for them to keep to, well, they can rot in hell. And , hopefully, "suffer in their jocks". Right Royally.
Post by: _X_ on March 03, 2013, 05:12:12 PM
general i be with ya
so don't go an hate!
this damn s#!t ain't up for debate
as you can see
i love me some honda
so what you be sayin'
i'm kinda fond a'
so lets stop now
before we take it any furtha
cause i wont be liable for lyrical murder!
word!
Post by: kim wedding on March 03, 2013, 06:53:49 PM
Racer-x it's true there's no battle between us we on the same crew you stand up for me and i for you 2stroke rider's the coolest of the cool radist of the rad and don't forget to mention baddest of the bad. 4$troke rider's saddest of the sad look how easy they been had. glad we on the same line knockin 4 joke's ain't no crime.
Blood thirsty rider's both of us be. as long as you not seigfried and roy you cool with me. Going for the win victory ain't no sin. LYRICALLY I WIN 2stroke brother's til the end I'm not a fiend but a friend GENERAL KIM
Post by: eprovenzano on March 03, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
Post by: _X_ on March 03, 2013, 09:59:46 PM
word to the og! beeeatch!
Racer-x it's true there's no battle between us we on the same crew you stand up for me and i for you 2stroke rider's the coolest of the cool radist of the rad and don't forget to mention baddest of the bad. 4$troke rider's saddest of the sad look how easy they been had. glad we on the same line knockin 4 joke's ain't no crime.
Blood thirsty rider's both of us be. as long as you not seigfried and roy you cool with me. Going for the win victory ain't no sin. LYRICALLY I WIN 2stroke brother's til the end I'm not a fiend but a friend GENERAL KIM
peace.
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on March 04, 2013, 01:06:47 AM
Gpnew house, Aren't 125 maico's just a rumor? Don't maico's cost alot for older technology? Yes i like red but i also like the shape of a honda cr. To me their the best looking dirt bike with the best form, fit and finish. Whether honda lose's sale's to a smaller company or people post their desire for a cr, or even lobby for 2s cr's. It all has a accumalative effect and show's on many level's people want a cr 2s.
Beside's if this is war you don't just attack from the front but from all angle's. VIVA LA REVOLUTION. Racer-x you're vagina is wack, next door neighbor is a butt crack , Man up and grab you're ball sack. I'm startin to spew venom in meter, verse and rhyme. Crazed white rapper without any skill just enough to make you all look ill only one thing left to do wipe my a** and flush you. just kiddin...
Not in production yet but Neil Berry of Maico international did say in 2010 that they were working on a new 125 that would be released in 2012 so while that deadline wasn't met I am still hoping that the 125 didnt get scrapped altogether.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2012-maico-125-motocross-bike-announced-27431.html
Post by: cnrcpla on March 04, 2013, 03:12:50 AM
Quote
OK, two stroke rap.... I think someone's been sniffing to much premixNo such thing! Unless your unconscious, then it's time to open the garage door.
Racerx, just a few more lines and throw in some beats and repeat one word for the rest of the song and you have your self a hit! Guys, were going about this the wrong way, the real way to get publicity is to make rap music for the world to hear and change the tide back to two strokes!
It'll work, never mind hacking facebook pages and buying stuff, this is where it's at 
hahaha
Post by: msmola2002 on March 04, 2013, 04:01:15 AM
Post by: Jeram on March 04, 2013, 09:53:49 AM
but make sure that we all have a good read over what your going to post first so that we can make it seem like a proper public anouncement from the board of directors.
Post by: _X_ on March 04, 2013, 11:40:14 AM
Post by: EJ on March 04, 2013, 09:15:06 PM
Yes, Honda Are a Four Stroke Company.
Yes, they Have used their influence to control racing class rules, and, through that influence, change the market, almost exclusively towards the Four Stroke.
Honda's Engineers, are their Engineers - they didn't have '2t specialists' in terms of career streams - they move their engineers constantly - they believe in multiple engineering skills. Yes, they'd keep Engineers in say, the 2t program for some time, but, unceremoniously, move them to something else.
I, for one, believe they will do All they can do, to stick to their "All Four Stroke, All The Time", ethos.
But, I hope that market pressure, changes that. As it did in the Seventies, with the massive Off Road explosion.
There could be a second version of that, if the potential markets of India, China and the ever growing South American Economies do just that - Grow. That of course, applies to Road Bikes, even more.
So many ignorant Westerners, think that the above mentioned markets will not be interested in Dirt Bikes - or just 'recreational motorcycles' in general. Well, as I've written on KTM Talk, with so many Millions of Millionaires, and Millions upon millions of new "middle class" people - if even a poofteenth, of a poofteenth of one percent of those people think Dirt Biking looks cool, there will be a market that utterly Dwarfs the "western market". And they have a Lot of land available, despite the Billions of people they have, as the population crowds into the cities.
Price, as always, will be a big factor, as will environmental cleanliness of production, and use will be an even bigger issue. A 2t will always have less materials used in their 'making', so, a cheaper engine is a given.
Who knows - Honda may well be 'forced' by market forces, to re-embrace 2t production. But you can guarantee they'll fight it.
As for power outputs - there's plenty to come from 4ts - just look at the power the Moto 3 bikes have, specifically Honda's, at a relatively low state of tune (a whole bucket load less than KTMs 2013 'purchasable' bike, though it it about 1/2 the price), but a lot more than current production MX250Fs. But, it's not particularly 'cheap power'. As Four Stroke power is Never cheap.They'll need something like the 'Holy Grail', a cheaper , more efficient induction train - such as the often pursued Rotary Valve. No guarantee it will be cheaper, of course ......
Here's a bit of wishful conspiracy theory for you - Honda, to get the 150F class at (some of) the GPs, agreed to bring back a 125 2t for the EMX125 class............ Even though I wrote it, I think it's BS. I'd say Luongo just shooftied a goodly wedge of money into an account on the 150F deal.
On another tack - but dealing with 2ts: BMWs German Husky CEO, often referred to the 2T DFI Husky being developed.
Now, was / is that a BMW proprietry technology / development, or Husky?
I'd think BMW's.
I'd be surprised if Pierer's (sp?) / Bajaj's Husky, has that tech as 'theirs'. I could be wrong.
But, with BMW having openly referred to it, and their refocusing on their street bikes, and their stated aim of going for the mass transport / commuter bike market, albeit the 'higher' end of it, the DFI 2t looks to be the best of solutions. I'd prefer that, than for it to be part of the Husky sale, and have it 'disappear' from sight, in preference to a 'one solution fits all, KTM system'. Mind you, Pierer / whoever ends up being the real owner of Husky, may have thought / may find that the BM /Husky DFI is better than their version - if it's part of the sale package.
If Honda never gets back to 2ts - and, with their corporate ethos, that's the most obvious thing for them to keep to, well, they can rot in hell. And , hopefully, "suffer in their jocks". Right Royally.
AMEN!!! X2
Post by: Stusmoke on March 05, 2013, 01:03:43 AM
Post by: eprovenzano on March 07, 2013, 01:21:38 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on March 08, 2013, 12:30:48 AM
I stopped by the bike shop (KTM, Yamaha) last night to get some parts, and I was surprised to see a lot of smokers on the floor. While I waited for the parts to be pulled... the sales clerk and I were discussing how 2 strokes are in demand, and how he'd love to take out the new KTM 125 and give it a good trashing. He mentioned that the Honda is poised to big out a 2 stroke bike. I asked are you reading the same internet rumors I read, cause as we all know, if its one the internet is must me true. No he said his supervisor was talking about it, so I don't know how much is fact (1%) and how much is speculation (99%). He did say Honda bike sales were hurting, so who knows... I asked about the KTM and Yamha lines, and he said Thank God for 2 strokes, we can't keep them on the floor. The 2 stroke bikes keep people coming into the store, and because of that, we seem to be doing OK... not great but OK... and in this economy I'll take it.
The 2013 CRF450R sold like hotcakes everywhere I've been. And their 250Rs did alright too. But I see alot and I mean alot of CRFX's sitting all shiny on the floor. KTM OWNS the offroad market from what I've seen.