Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: 2smoker on February 12, 2010, 05:03:36 PM
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Honda Motor Europe has announced a prize fund for the inaugural UEM European 150 championship for 11 to 15-year-olds, which will run alongside the MX3 and EMX2 series for the 2010 season.
The European 150 championship was announced by motocross world championship organisers Youthstream last year and Honda subsequently confirmed its involvement at a press conference held at the Italian MXGP at Faenza.
The new junior championship ties in with Honda??s own philosophy of bringing forward young racing talent and Honda Motor Europe has since announced a linked series of national junior championships ?? the Honda Xtreme Academy ?? also featuring the company??s CRF150.
The prize fund for overall championship positions is:
First: ?1000 voucher for exchange at a Honda dealer plus a place on a John van den Berk training school
Second: ?500 voucher for exchange at a Honda dealer
Third: ?250 voucher for exchange at a Honda dealer
Honda Motor Europe??s off-road racing manager, Roger Harvey, commented: ??This is a really exciting championship for Honda to be involved with and, with the support of Youthstream and the UEM, it will surely bring on the four-stroke MX champions of tomorrow.
"We??re delighted to be able to add value to the series by providing an additional incentive for competitors in the European 150 championship. It demonstrates how seriously we take the development of youth and, in conjunction with our own Honda Xtreme Academy championships on a national level, I??m sure it will provide a rich vein of riding talent in the years to come.?
Riders aged between 11 and 15 years interested in competing in the 2010 UEM European 150 championship should contact Marc Pauwels, Sport General Manager of Youthstream, via email at sportoffice@youthstream.org.
UEM European 150 Championship calendar:
11 April Castelnau de Levis France
04 July La Baneza Spain
05 September Geneva Switzerland
19 September Hereford Great Britain
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wow talk about squashing the 85 class right there. what a shame. kids that ride 85 and then spend time on a 125 develop 10 fold the skills of the kids that go right to the 150f. i have friends with kids on 85's and they refuse to put them on 150f's mainly do to cost of maintaining those things. they are worse than the 250f.
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HAH! wait until junior's dad has to start rebuilding that thing after every race!
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wow... watch as this fails... everyone knows that a 150 has no chance against an 85
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Honda suck!! They think they are the guardians of the racing world
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i call the 150fs brat bikes
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Well, Honda had to do something. The sanctioning bodies refused to make a class for the 150F that they spent so much money developing, so they decided to create their own class for it.
Personally I wouldn't buy one of those little effing grenades for my kid.
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i kinda have had my own personal grudge against Honda when they dropped the CR500 in '02 and it developed into bitterness when they dropped 2T bikes all together after '07.
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i kinda have had my own personal grudge against Honda when they dropped the CR500 in '02 and it developed into bitterness when they dropped 2T bikes all together after '07.
Honda is a Virus for Racing..Remember that:
End of the road for two-stroke 250s, begining of a new era for four-stroke 600s in GP racing? A sad day for those who remember Max Biaggi from his Chesterfield Aprilia days...
Back in September last year, we??d said that 250cc GP racing two-strokes would be replaced by 600cc four-strokes by 2010. Honda were pushing for four-strokes ?? HRC had announced they would stop making two-stroke racers at the end of the 2009 racing season. The Europeans ?? KTM, Gilera and Aprilia ?? weren??t happy about it, but would have to play along.
Now, according to a report on MCN, the rules for the new four-stroke class ?? which will replace two-stroke 250s in 2010 or 2011 ?? are ready, and will be announced at the upcoming French grand prix at Le Mans, on Saturday. It??s widely believed that the new class will indeed comprise of 600cc four-strokes, and that in its first year, no new teams will be allowed to race. (This would be to negate any advantage that experienced four-stroke tuners/racers from WSBK may have.)
There has been significant criticism of this impending rule change in many quarters, with detractors saying it will push up costs by a huge amount and that the racing wouldn??t be as interesting. Also, various sanctioning bodies like Dorna, FIM, IRTA and MSMA have to jointly agree on a lot of things before the rule change is actually implemented.
Still, the way things are, it looks like the two-stroke 250s era is coming to an end, with 2009 or 2010 being the last year when these bikes would be raced. Racing in the 250cc class is usually fast and furious ?? proper edge-of-the-seat stuff ?? but since street-going two-strokes are now defunct anyway, 600cc four-strokes are probably a step in the right direction. The only worry is, what would happen to the smaller European companies, who've been in two-stroke 250 GPs for ages, but who, unlike the Japanese, don't have street-going, multi-cylinder sports 600s from which to source technology for their four-stroke 600cc GP bikes??
and the results are Moto2 class HRC/HONDA class lol
Moto2 is the new 600cc 4-stroke class to replace 250cc 2-stroke class. Engines will be produced by Honda tyres by Dunlop and electronics will be limited and supplied only by FIM sanctioned producers with max cost set at 650 EUR. Carbon-fibre brakes will be banned and only steel brakes will be allowed. However, there will be no chassis limitations.
Funny how the FIM/AMA endorse all the friggin ideas from HONDA and kill the purpose of racing at any levels. :'(
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wow... watch as this fails... everyone knows that a 150 has no chance against an 85
From my understanding this is a 150cc four-stroke ONLY class... Honda's new way of competing.... create classes for bikes they are the sole manufacturer of.
This will ultimately fail... you can see it when you talk to the folks that actually pay to race. Four-strokes are just too expensive without a huge amount of financial support... After a while even the sponsors won't be able to support these machines. What will they do then??
Honda should stick to making cars.... leave motocross alone. Please?
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The sanctioning bodies have allowed the 150r in the Schoolboy class, which has ruined it. We now have apples and oranges on the gate. The Schoolboy class used to be so cool because it was all 125 2t and boys that have just stepped off the 85. Now the problem isin't really the 150r, because unless it's factory built it's a turttle-not even close to being competative. The problem is that the ama let the two stroke superminis in with it, with max dicplacement of 125cc. The superminis weigh 50 lbs less and on average the kids riding them are 50 lbs less. Do the math on the power to weight! Now thanks to the ama "having to let that thing race somewhere" completely jacked up yet another class of racing. I've called and complained two years in a row on this problem and I've just been told that they have to let it race "somewhere". Now we really have three different machines in that class. Full size 125 2t's, supermini 2t's of max 125cc, and 150cc 4t's. It's such a shame. The schoolboy class was the last thing available for 125's to be on even ground, amateur wise and now it's over. They are killing the 125. At least they are letting us race the 250 2t in the 250 class, but they are not allowing it in am supercross, so I think I see the writing on the wall. Starting to wonder why I pay AMA dues!
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The schoolboy class was the last thing available for 125's to be on even ground, amateur wise and now it's over. They are killing the 125. At least they are letting us race the 250 2t in the 250 class, but they are not allowing it in am supercross, so I think I see the writing on the wall. Starting to wonder why I pay AMA dues!
After being a card carrying member of the AMA for years i finally wrote them the following letter. Wonder if they'll respond
February 9th, 2010
President
American Motorcyclist Association
13515 Yarmouth Drive
Pickerington, OH 43147
Dear Sir,
Due to your continued enforcement of unfair rules allowing an extraordinary handicap for 4 stroke motocross machines, which have resulted in 2 stroke machines being nearly eliminated from competition, I can no longer subscribe as a member of your organization.
The 4 stroke machine is a FAILURE when pitted against 2 strokes of equal displacement, yet when given up to a 100% displacement advantage the 4 stroke is marveled over and allowed to dominate its class without a rules amendment. You don??t actually believe these rules are fair do you? I mean where is the parity?
The 4 stroke has been proven to have both a high initial cost, a maintenance-intensive, costly service schedule, and a short life span. Riders are forced to buy the expensive, throw-away 4 strokes in order to have any chance of winning, resulting in many riders including myself unable to afford to continue racing.
So my question is this ?? do you not care that the rules are unfair and affect the average rider, or, as I largely suspect, is the AMA simply owned by the Japanese manufacturers? I??d be very interested in hearing your explanation.
Sincerely,
Christopher L. Brantley AMA #400758
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Savethe2T! - this is kind of odd... it seems that since this four-stroke handicap has been introduced that promotors all over the country (and the world) have had different ideas about how to "rework" the classes. So depending on your location the classes could be significantly different from one area to the next. It's a royal nightmare.
Sorry to hear in your area that the 125 schoolboy, has mini's and 150R's in it... obviously the people that make these stupid rules can not have ever watched a real motocross race otherwise they would see the follies of their ways! Plain and simple, it's stupid!
Chris2T - Don't hold your breath waiting to hear back from the AMA. I sent one a few years ago, I didn't even get a automated reply!!
From what I can tell, they just don't care what the average guy has to say about racing. What they fail to notice is that these are the folks that support racing at the highest levels. Without you and your racing buddies going out and buying bikes, the manufacturers don't sell enough and they will cut back further on their racing programs.
It's a clear case of having their heads buried so deeply up their.... ummmm... deeply in the sand... that they have lost touch with reality.
From first hand accounts, they don't care what the racers or fans want... they are only interested in pushing their lopsided agenda.
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i quit the AMA back during the Roger Edmondson scandal. i've never understood their motivations for anything.