Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: miedosoracing on September 07, 2011, 02:04:42 PM
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Go listen to the argument with Matthes, and he states Suzuki is bringing them back. Bought F'ng time.
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I kinda said this back on April 23rd! Four months ago :P Glad its finally coming out in main stream media so people quit thinkin im makin up crazy stories! LOL ;D
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Is it a new bike or are they still getting rid of their 08's ?
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It was listed on the Suzuki U.S. web site a couple of months ago as an 08 but I just checked and it's not on there any more.
This part is from MXA.
No offense to Kawasaki, Suzuki and Honda, but they arenâ??t included in this 2011 shootout because they donâ??t make 250cc two-stroke motocross bikes (although Suzuki does sell its 2008 RM250 overseas...and has it listed on their American website for 2012 at $6099).
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That quote is kinda messed up if you think about it. A 2008 RM250 is as new as a 2012 YZ250. Just sayin.
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where can we listen to this argument.
also its crazy that suzuki is still trying to sell 08 bikes and yamaha has to keep producing bikes for 2012. seems not many people like the rm's. dont know why, i love mine
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I wonder what the production numbers were for that year (08) of both the RM & YZ.
Maybe Suzuki misjudged the market and made too many. :-\
I would not have thought the YZ out sold the RM by a huge margin. But then again I have been wrong before. ;)
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That is where you guys are getting confused. Suzuki didn't make 300 million too many bikes, its just that they didnt want to go to the trouble of designing new graphics every year and rebranding the bike as the next model, they just kept rolling them out exactly as they came off the production line in 2008. And because they look identical to the '08's, they are continuously called an 08. Yamaha are doing exactly the same thing, it is just that they go to the bother of designing new graphics and calling it the new model bike.
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That is where you guys are getting confused. Suzuki didn't make 300 million too many bikes, its just that they didnt want to go to the trouble of designing new graphics every year and rebranding the bike as the next model, they just kept rolling them out exactly as they came off the production line in 2008. And because they look identical to the '08's, they are continuously called an 08. Yamaha are doing exactly the same thing, it is just that they go to the bother of designing new graphics and calling it the new model bike.
Yes!!! Thanks for explaining this to the masses.
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I was under the impression that the 08' RM was just that.
Built in 08' and been in a warehouse since.
So your saying they still build them ?
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Lets hope they keep rolling em off the production line too!
Who knows maybe one day someone might accidently bolt a smoker engine into an RMZ chassis! Now that would be a sweet RM!
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I was under the impression that the 08' RM was just that.
Built in 08' and been in a warehouse since.
So your saying they still build them ?
Yes that is correct.
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So your saying they still build them ?
As far as I know, the 2 stroke RM models are beiing manufactured in Brazil these days. . .
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Well there ya go. i was talking to a dealer a while ago and he told me they were just clearing the warehouses. obviously hoping to get me interestedted in a four stroke you could hear Tue disappointment when I told him I would have to go see yamaha or Ktm
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I thought they were just selling off old stock, did not know they were still manufacturing them. Is this a proven fact, or just conjecture/story telling?
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Think about this logically. The RM250 never stopped being sold overseas, only in the U.S. Do you honestly think they made enough bikes in 2007/8 to be selling the same stock nearly 4 years later???
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where can we listen to this argument.
also its crazy that suzuki is still trying to sell 08 bikes and yamaha has to keep producing bikes for 2012. seems not many people like the rm's. dont know why, i love mine
They are'nt bikes manufactured for 08 that have been sitting around for 4 years.... That's a job best left for CRF's apparently.
They are newly manufactured bikes. They are simply identical in design to the 08 bikes.
Suzuki is just being honest about the origins of the bike. They can afford that honesty.... they know RM's will sell with or without hype!
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Like I posted elsewhere. Kinda interesting they can't just put new VIN's on them and actually say they are 2012s. I didn't think they had to put BNG's on Yamaha's if they didn't want too. It seems to me, a RM250 2008 model with 2012 VIN would be the way to go??? JMHO.
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Since Suzuki moved the 2 stroke assembly lines to Brasil, (wich i read in a magazine in early 2009 or so)
where they are beïng manufactured from around 2008,
the Dutch MX magazine ,,Noppen Nieuws'' complained about several occasional manufacturing flaws.
The main complaint was that several bolts (from seat, fenders, cylinder bolts and triple clamps)
came loose on stock RM's from the moment they used the low-key Brazillian production lines
and it's personnel.
According to the Dutch mag it was noticable that they weren't beïng assembled in japan anymore...
Over here the RM's never went away, and are still the cheapest choice in 2 strokes.
Prices of the RM's have been just about the same for the last 4 years or so.
I still see both the RM125 and RM250 still kicking ass in the amateur races.
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As far as I know, the 2 stroke RM models are beiing manufactured in Brazil these days. . .
I was missinformed then.
Why don't they call them L1's then, instead of K8's.?
They might be being honest but a new bike is a new bike regardless of BNG.
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If you click on 2011, no RM85. Click on 2012 http://suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Categories/Motocross.aspx?year=2012&view=gallery (http://suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Categories/Motocross.aspx?year=2012&view=gallery)
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On the dutch site, they don't display the RM125, altho it is available.
The last 3 or 4 years, they have been called Limited Edition versions etc etc.
Here's the RM250 (this same graphics design also for the 125), they call it 2010-version;
http://www.suzuki.nl/motoren/2010-rm250-limited-edition?waxtrapp=tbeziLsHcPvCrSkJvI (http://www.suzuki.nl/motoren/2010-rm250-limited-edition?waxtrapp=tbeziLsHcPvCrSkJvI)
Also don't forget the passionate Suzuki dealer from the UK, wich offers them as enduro-cross versions.
And of course the Italian Valenti-Suzuki dealer, they offers road-legal RM125 enduro and supermoto's.
(they also do the same with RM250's if you want to)
http://www.valentiracing.it/it/enduro/rm-125-e.html (http://www.valentiracing.it/it/enduro/rm-125-e.html)
http://www.valentiracing.it/it/motard/sm-125.html (http://www.valentiracing.it/it/motard/sm-125.html)
If some bikes are not beïng advertised anymore, it doesn't always mean they are not for sale anymore...
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Just spoke to my local Suzuki dealer and he said the shipment he has just recieved of RM's is the last.
Suzuki NZ said there will be no more coming. :(
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Just spoke to my local Suzuki dealer and he said the shipment he has just recieved of RM's is the last.
Suzuki NZ said there will be no more coming. :(
Usually mis-informed. If you want to know for sure, you need to speak to Suzuki NZ directly. And speak to the right people. I was in the industry here in Australia for a long time, and most of time the salesman on the floor of a dealership know very little. I sometimes wondered why they did the job, as a lot aren't all that interested in bikes, especially dirty motocross bikes.
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Imo if Suzuki are still building them they would be better off doing why yamaha are doing and give small graphics updates and call it a 2012, just not charge an extra 2k for it. To me, by calling them an 08 makes me think they are clearing old stock and who wants to buy a bike the company is no longer supporting. With what yamaha are doing it is obvious they are still building them and to me that is more attractive than a bike that has been sitting for 3 to 4 years.
I don't think I am the only one to think this as well. In oz rm's go for 8k, yz's for 10k yet I have only seen a couple of 08 rm's but a heap of '11 yz's
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Just spoke to my local Suzuki dealer and he said the shipment he has just recieved of RM's is the last.
Suzuki NZ said there will be no more coming. :(
You still trust whey THEY are telling us?
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Usually mis-informed. If you want to know for sure, you need to speak to Suzuki NZ directly. And speak to the right people. I was in the industry here in Australia for a long time, and most of time the salesman on the floor of a dealership know very little. I sometimes wondered why they did the job, as a lot aren't all that interested in bikes, especially dirty motocross bikes.
I know what you mean but this guy races a RM250 (Used to race the nationals but can't afford the time of work) , Lives for MX , Works with BT's mechanic & I know him pretty well.
So I do believe him.
He was disappointed about it.
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Well, it could mean they are getting ready to unveil something completely new? If Ping said they are talking 2013, and I trust him more than most in that whole group. I'd say something is about to go down. If they are telling NZ that they aren't shipping 08's anymore. Makes me believe that a "new" RM is about to be rolled out. Are we looking at a 2013 RM in August of 2012ish? That would be pretty cool. JMHO
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From what I've been hearing they will be a mid 2012 release of an updated rm line. possibly something like a rmz framed 2 stroke.
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Maybe with the fuel injection kit on the front page of this site? One could only hope.....
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Maybe with the fuel injection kit on the front page of this site? One could only hope.....
Hopefully not. Leave it to the 4 porkers to go dead on the starting line.