Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: burn1986 on August 10, 2011, 09:08:29 PM
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I think a boycott of Honda, Suzuki, and Kawasaki would be a good test to see if they value sales, even though they say pride runs their company. I can imagine a lot of cars, lawnmower, motorcycle, apparel, and related items would make a dent in their sales and company image. Look at what happened to Disney with the Christian boycott. The same thing happened to Proctor & Gamble. When that image is tarnished, then there is a real impact that follows.
Just a thought.
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I already boycott Honda products. :-X
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^ditto honestly I try not to buy anything japanese if I can
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I just went out and torched my Honda lawnmower, and my Rick Johnson poster.
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Oh man, I forgot this Honda grease that I had in my toolbox. This is like clearing out an infection!
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Do I have to smash my Yamaha guitar??
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Ha! No Yamaha is kind of the good guys. They just need to update their YZs. Funny.
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I already boycott Honda products. :-X
Same here. .
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Same here.
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True! Then I'm in ;)
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HA! Yamaha started this shit when they released that pox ridden YZ 400f in 1998!
Someone needs slappin over there at Yamaha!
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Yamaha started this shit when they released that pox ridden YZ 400f in 1998!
No, they were just the first factory to show up at a supercross. Husqvarna, CCM, and others had racing thumpers. Don't forget Scott Summers dominated the GNCC's on an XR!
Someone needs slappin over there at Yamaha!
Yes they do! First, for twisting the AMA's arm to allow their "works bike" yz400f (the AMA deserves a kick in the nuts for that!) and Second for not developing the YZ in tandem with the 4$.
I won't be getting rid of my Hondas, but I won't buy from them again. Ever. Not a car, lawnmower, or bike. I don't care if they come out as the first major to only delvelop 2T's - or if they are the last. Honda is the Evil Empire of the East and like the Evil Rat Empire, they won't get my money.
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Can I still keep on riding my RM 250? :(
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Maybe just a Honda boycott. Those RMs are just too sweet to not be ridden.
You know, realistically (sp?), I think there is a good possibility of another type of series springing up (outside of the AMA). For example, the Monster Cup race is an open displacement race and is already generating excitement. I don't know if this will spawn other races, but the excitement is there. Also the petition is steadily rising, which shows an increase in interest and commitment to see a 2-stroke allowed to race equally.
I think it will happen.
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I love my honda but i will never buy another coz i doubt they will ever build another smoker, as long as i have the one ive got though i will never buy oem bits for it, theres plenty of aftermarket bits to choose from.
Aand if i ever buy new it WONT BE JAPNESE!
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No-o-o-o! Don't make me get rid of my CR500 :'( :'( :'(
What we need is a boycott of the AMA, for being a bunch of spineless pansies! The Japanese would build whatever the public wants, and the public wants what wins. Unless someone (The AMA) twists the rules unfairly...
Regards,.
M.Rad.
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No-o-o-o! Don't make me get rid of my CR500 :'( :'( :'(
CR500's are exempt from any boycott. ;D
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I've thought about boycotting the AMA but that would not solve anything and only hurt us in the long run. It would be like boycotting the US Government. In the end, you'd be labled a fringe character or worse a terrorist and delt with. Firmly. No, what we need is to continue to work from within the AMA - and the FIM.
Our enemy is FELD motorsport (Supercross, Motocross and yes Monster Energy Cup) in America and Youthstream in Europe. They are the ones that are changing what we love from a SPORT to a SHOW. They don't care about anything except making money and to do that they need TV. Motocross has to be made TV friendly, regardless of the impact on the SPORT or who has to foot the bills. They took a page right out of Bernie Ecclstone's playbook and are copying it to the letter.
The only way we can win is to be the festering cancer from within the AMA and FIM. That is how Feld, Youthstream, and American Honda did it.
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Good post, you are correct about the sanctioning bodies and the rule makers.
A few high ranked bosses and a small group of influential men, they can change it.
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No-o-o-o! Don't make me get rid of my CR500 :'( :'( :'(
CR500's are exempt from any boycott. ;D
Definitely X2! Don't sell your CR500!
If anyone can come up with a good idea on how to boycott the AMA, then I'm all ears. I think boycotting or having anything to do with the AMA or Youthstream is useless IMO. Honda hasn't done anything but paid the AMA officials, and threatened to pull out of the series. Feld is just using the AMA rules, and I get the feeling they could care less. Youthstream is also piggybacking off of the AMA. Ultimately the AMA is controlled by the OEMs.
Davey Coombs even said that he just couldn't endorse a proposed rule change in an industry meeting or even bring it up - that it would be too much for them, and that the OEMs had no interest in it. Of course we know that the industry already knows about the petition and the proposed rule change.
So, the AMA is a dead end. The only thing that will bring a change is something outside of the AMA rulebook. Races like the Monster Cup, and 2-stroke Nationals are what will bring about the change.
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Honda hasn't done anything but paid the AMA officials, and threatened to pull out of the series.
Let them.
Honda play's the same card all the time.
MotoGP/Indycars/MX.
I say call their bluff and see how long Honda's managment last seeing Suzuki/Yamaha/Kawasaki on the podium all the time.
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Well, one of the problems with the AMA is that one of their officials (DC) makes his livelihood from the outdoors series, so if Honda pulled out, then he would lose money. So, I think you can see the conflict of interest. He has to keep them pleased, otherwise he loses his series (and kickbacks I would imagine).
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What would you prefer, DC's company running the Nationals, or Youthstream, or worse, DMG themselves running them? Anyone remember the bloke from DMG saying that the Nationals could be run in the middle of Super Speedways?
Yes, DC makes money from running the Nationals, but I believe he has far more real feeling for our sport than the other alternatives. Accusing him of taking kickbacks sure as hell isn't going to make him amenable to our cause.
The lead law has just been overcome.
DC cited that as a priority far above equivalency. Yes , it was, as we need riders to keep coming into the sport. None of us are getting any younger.
Now, perhaps, he might just stand up to Honda, and the other companies that are against equivalency. I've always taken DCs 'it's not fair', as him having a sarcastic dig at the people against equivalency, as it is the sort of thing trotted out by them, that they seem to not realise is condemning 4ts as being inferior (despite, usually, those same people ranting on about how much better they are).
Check out the interview with the boss of Honda, in Cycle News recently - he emphasizes very much how happy they are with the current rules, almost put as a thinly veiled threat. They are still wildly pissed off with DMGs messing with the AMA Pro Road Racing rules. If Honda pull out, who the hell cares? They, Honda, can't 'ban' the use of Hondas (they certainly can stop any parts deals etc for riders / satellite teams, that could force riders / teams to other bikes). They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.
Equivalency would make bugger-all difference to the results, for a few years, as the sport / teams / riders is/are so 4t oriented. But it might just lead to renewed development and sales for 2ts. It always amuses me when you point out to 4t fanatics, that it did take some time / years for the 4ts to dominate, and a fair few years for all manufacturers to market 4ts. Honda - CRF450 - 2002, 4 years after Yamaha's YZF, and Suzuki and Kawasaki even later than that. 250 4ts, did not suddenly spring out of the primeval goop, in one rush.
The same thing would happen with 2ts, I'd think.
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X2 bearorso.