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Two Stroke Motocross Forum => Non-Moto => Topic started by: Kodackamera on March 22, 2011, 03:43:12 PM

Title: Suter 500 V4
Post by: Kodackamera on March 22, 2011, 03:43:12 PM: http://www.suterracing.com/en/suter500.html (http://www.suterracing.com/en/suter500.html)

It's here.
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: JETZcorp on March 22, 2011, 04:04:10 PM: I've been waiting for this thing for a while, and I even cited it in my school paper as evidence of two-stroke superiority. Any word on when it's coming out, or is it sort of like a Maico deal? (Sorry, I had to take that shot.)
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: Kodackamera on March 22, 2011, 04:08:10 PM: (Email from Suter)

Dear customer, Dear motorcycle 2 stroke fan!

we are able to anounce that we are ready for production of our new SRT V4 Factory GP500 machine!

The production is limited and in 2012 we will organize a new 500 Championship with aprox. 6 rounds in europe.

if you are interested please do not hesitate to contact us.

Mit freundlichen Grü�?en
Best regards

LEUTHE CONSULTING
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SUTER RACING TECHNOLOGY AG
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Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: monsteryz125 on March 22, 2011, 04:58:27 PM: any idea how much one of these beasts is gonna cost?
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: TMKIWI on March 22, 2011, 05:20:31 PM: Quote from: monsteryz125 on March 22, 2011, 04:58:27 PM
any idea how much one of these beasts is gonna cost?

Shit loads. ;D

Would be freaking awsome.
Looks like they are using the Yamaha engine.?
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: JETZcorp on March 22, 2011, 07:18:28 PM: Yamaha made a 500cc two-stroke V4 with 200 ponies? Where has that been hiding?
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: Kodackamera on March 23, 2011, 02:43:32 AM: It's Suter's very own bike, including engine and chassis.

From the Suter Brochure.

(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6132/suterbrochue.th.png) (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/suterbrochue.png/)

(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6471/suterbrochure2.th.png) (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/suterbrochure2.png/)

Cost is 156,000 CHF and 20 to 30 will be made.

Definitely a dream bike, how I could get one keeps running through my head, but I would love to build my very own 500, maybe learn more that way.
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: EJ on March 23, 2011, 02:48:25 AM: Lovely stuff :P
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: 2T Institute on March 23, 2011, 03:40:07 AM: Quote from: JETZcorp on March 22, 2011, 07:18:28 PM
Yamaha made a 500cc two-stroke V4 with 200 ponies? Where has that been hiding?

Housed YZR 500's from the late 90's onwards, the 500's didn't need more HP they needed less and the power tamed to make them ridable. Interesting Eskil has gone for throttle bodies. Suter made sidecar engines(VERY powerful ones) for many years before getting involved with the MUZ 500cc racer and after that was drafted into the ill fated Kawasaki MotoGP effort by Harald Eckle. The Kawasaki took a big leap in peformance after Suter made a new frame. Today Suter supplies frames to the Moto2 snore fest class.

Hopefully 20 nutters will stump up the cash, I would want to see one running and ride one before I come up with any $$$$
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: MyckMcClung on March 23, 2011, 05:14:30 AM: Man that motor would be awesome in a big twin chopper frame, imagine rolling up to a poker run check point on that, four pipes a bringing.
They used a KTM 525 motor in the Ghost Rider chopper
but a V4 500??
SICK!!
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: Bioflex on March 24, 2011, 05:51:07 AM: Did anyone catch the significance of this being fuel injected??

Damn, if this thing actually works it is a great sign that FI works with 2 strokes in performance applications, which to now we were lead to believe was very difficult.
Would love to see the thing run.
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: 2T Institute on March 24, 2011, 06:51:55 AM: Look above. Nothing is difficult with Magnetti Marelli Marvel 4 electronics. Mind you this is NOT closed loop EFI merely replacing the carb with a throttle body. As I said would be wanting a ride bfore I opened the cheque book.
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: reefmuncher on March 24, 2011, 07:37:45 AM: Not sure about the look of the bodywork, but everything else sure has potential for sure! Boy if had money burning a hole in my wallet would put down for the 600cc version for a slightly detuned road bike, how to put in on the road would be the interesting bit?!

In my dream world Sutter would design a lower tuned direct injection version, send the bike to Orbital for or some young engineering fanatics to make it work. That would be the road version and then offer a race kit setup with additional injectors upstream with corresponding changes, maybe pipes, ignition timing to up the power. Guess at that point might not be any point to the DI system, unless it keeps the bikes emissions lowish and still puts out the power! :D
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: Kodackamera on March 24, 2011, 03:39:07 PM: Yeah Reef, we need all of that! 8)

Hopefully by then, Forumla one car racing will have rotary's and two strokes alongside four strokes, but they'd allow the 4t's forced induction to keep four strokers from complaining :)
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: JETZcorp on March 24, 2011, 04:04:50 PM: Just allow everyone forced induction. Imagine what a direct-injected two-stroke twin-turbo could accomplish.
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: 2T Institute on March 24, 2011, 10:43:18 PM: 2013 will have 1.6l turbo F1 engines anyway.
Title: Re: Suter 500 V4
Post by: EJ on March 26, 2011, 11:02:34 AM: Indeed.
I've heard Formula 1 will be using 4 cylinder engines...

But it's great to see a fuel injected 500cc Road racer. :P