Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: EJ on February 03, 2011, 11:45:33 AM
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Here is the article;
http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/ASK-THE-MXPERTS-WHY-WASTE-TIME-WITH-TWOSTROKE-MOTO-7685.aspx (http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/ASK-THE-MXPERTS-WHY-WASTE-TIME-WITH-TWOSTROKE-MOTO-7685.aspx)
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Christ thats a big difference in price. :o
Thats about 30 % cheaper over the 4 stroke. ;D
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The funny thing is, the FIM rules are the same as AMA rules, so I wonder why they don't just import them here as well?
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Good point Burn! I'd also like to know why.. :(
As for the RM125, it's the most accesable adult size dirtbike.
They have been traditionally cheap.
Over here they cost like 4895Euro, and the RM250 sells for around 5695Euro.
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The most strange thing is when we count
(but i speek for a euro)
brands who selling twostroke dirtbikes: brands don`t selling twostroke dirtbikes:
zuzuki kawasaki
yamaha honda
husaberg bmw
husqvarna beta
gas gas
ktm
tm
maico int.
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makes 8 makes 4
thats makes together 8:4 or 2:1 :o
I did`t count with some exotic brands and maybe i forgot some ( i did some beer)
When ossa comes this year with a twostroke dirtbike it becomes even 9:4
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The funny thing is, the FIM rules are the same as AMA rules, so I wonder why they don't just import them here as well?
I think it's the same reason we see Yamaha with such high prices for YZ's. If they lower the prices to comparable to what they have. I'd guess that the 4 strokes would sell even worse. Remember, they have 08's and 09's sitting in factory warehouses still. That doesn't bode well for them.
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The funny thing is, the FIM rules are the same as AMA rules, so I wonder why they don't just import them here as well?
I think it's the same reason we see Yamaha with such high prices for YZ's. If they lower the prices to comparable to what they have. I'd guess that the 4 strokes would sell even worse. Remember, they have 08's and 09's sitting in factory warehouses still. That doesn't bode well for them.
They have that well if its f*cked for us we're gonna make it f*cked for you attitude. Hey lets not sell bikes at all if we dont get what we want, soooo stupid!!!!!
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Yeah....what they said.
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Beta sells 2T trials bikes and BMW owns Husqvarna (which makes 2T's). :D
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Here in Finland I can buy these 2 stroke bikes new:
KTM
TM
Gas Gas
Suzuki
Yamaha
Fantic
Husaberg
Husqvarna
A couple of years ago you could also buy HM-Moto 2-strokes (Basically a Honda)
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The pricing of the RMs in the UK really highlights the price of the YZ 2ts.
Yamaha sells the YZs at a very steep price, for a bike(s) that is essentially the same thing since their introduction. As MXA mentioned in their test, they think it should be a lower price - at least closer to the original price. I think the 250 2t is the same or a higher price than the 250 4t. You could say it's economies of scale, but I'd throw right back at those that said that, the amortissement of cost with such a long term production run.....
Perhaps Yamaha are milking the 2t for all it's worth to help out with the burden of holding so much unsold 4t stock?
Maybe the Brit distributors are being used as a clearing house for the last of the Suzuki 2ts?
Are the Suzukis being sold in other markets still?
I still hope, perhaps in vain, that Yamaha will do one of their classic ground breaking moves, like the Reed Induction, Mono shocks, the YZfs, by suddenly bringing out a DFI 2t. But I'm not holding my breathe on that. They've got DFI 2t outboards, so at least they haven't given up completely.
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Here in Finland I can buy these 2 stroke bikes new:
KTM
TM
Gas Gas
Suzuki
Yamaha
Fantic
Husaberg
Husqvarna
A couple of years ago you could also buy HM-Moto 2-strokes (Basically a Honda)
Nice, Europe's the place to be for choice
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Perhaps Yamaha are milking the 2t for all it's worth to help out with the burden of holding so much unsold 4t stock?
Maybe the Brit distributors are being used as a clearing house for the last of the Suzuki 2ts?
Are the Suzukis being sold in other markets still?
The RM's are not just for sale in the UK. You can still buy them in mostly every european country.
Some selected Kawasaki dealers in Belgium and Holland can still delivery you a KX125 or KX250.
But the price increase on Yamaha YZ's is just ridiculous, for just some new stickers every year...
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The funny thing is, the FIM rules are the same as AMA rules, so I wonder why they don't just import them here as well?
yeah but we have massive 2 stroke friendly series like 2 stroke champoinship and red bull pro nationals which has equal displacement rules!!! love that!!
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How 'bout a chime in from our Canadian members like Ford - can you still get KX's and RM's up by the arctic circle, and if so what are the prices at local dealers? I'm only about a 4 hour drive from the border here in southern Maine, might be worth a look.....
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Beta sells 2T trials bikes and BMW owns Husqvarna (which makes 2T's). :D
Yeh off course ::)
So it becomes even more weird why magazines are zweig death the twostrokes.
there are only two only fourstoke sellers :'(
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How 'bout a chime in from our Canadian members like Ford - can you still get KX's and RM's up by the arctic circle, and if so what are the prices at local dealers? I'm only about a 4 hour drive from the border here in southern Maine, might be worth a look.....
Nope, no Suzuki, Kawasaki, or Honda two strokes are available. Your options up here are Yamaha's or KTM's... the funny thing is I used to remember a day (not too long ago, Im only 28) when owning a KTM was... for lack of a better term... gay. Well not anymore. 90% of the riding I have done is bush riding and without a doubt the trails in the rockies are being navigated mostly by orange machines. Which I think is great, people up here are getting fed up with four strokes as well, and you can see it on the trails. Honestly 5... 6... 7 years ago seeing a KTM in the bush was kinda like seeing a Sasquatch. Not anymore, they dominate the brand of bike found offroad up here, and they are mostly premix models. The 300's are hugely popular.
I talked with a Suzuki dealer the other day if there were plans to import RM's to Canada... he laughed and said "Nobody wants two strokes anymore man... four strokes are where its at!" I said... "Well, looks like its a orange bike for me then." He wasn't too impressed lol
I have found a brand new leftover 08 RM 250... but where its at is a secret. ;) The same Suzuki dealer who told me four strokes were the cats meow told me there were no leftover RM's in Canada. After I made a few phone calls I found one. Hows that for a "dealer network."
Anyways MXLord, if you are a Canuck, your only real choices for two strokes are KTM's, Yamaha's... and I know there is a TM dealer in Saskatchewan and I believe in Vancouver. Other than that... the used market has some deals available still.
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If i'm not mistaken, there should also be a GasGas importer for the USA.
Anyway, i looked up the prices for a RM125 and RM250 in the Netherlands.
RM125 = 5490 euro's, RM250 = 5990Euro's. Nowadays they have the newer RM-Z
plastics. They can be ordered at any European Suzuki dealer, if they are not in stock.
For a KX125 or KX250, it's best to go to Rabbit Racing in The Netherlands,
they can still get adult size KX 2 strokes.
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http://www.motocrossplanet.eu/rabbitracing/shoot/index.html (http://www.motocrossplanet.eu/rabbitracing/shoot/index.html)
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http://www.motocrossplanet.eu/rabbitracing/shoot/index.html (http://www.motocrossplanet.eu/rabbitracing/shoot/index.html)
Indeed.
Those are the ones i meant. For Holland it's Rabbit Racing and V.D. Vegt.
And in Belgium, Jadoul Motorsport (in Rochefort) is the dealer for these KX's.
Click for larger image;
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How 'bout a chime in from our Canadian members like Ford - can you still get KX's and RM's up by the arctic circle, and if so what are the prices at local dealers? I'm only about a 4 hour drive from the border here in southern Maine, might be worth a look.....
I have found a brand new leftover 08 RM 250... but where its at is a secret. ;) The same Suzuki dealer who told me four strokes were the cats meow told me there were no leftover RM's in Canada. After I made a few phone calls I found one. Hows that for a "dealer network."
I found me a brand new 08 RM 250 and traded a used 08 Brute Force 750 4x4 quad for it straight up a few months ago.
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How 'bout a chime in from our Canadian members like Ford - can you still get KX's and RM's up by the arctic circle, and if so what are the prices at local dealers? I'm only about a 4 hour drive from the border here in southern Maine, might be worth a look.....
I have found a brand new leftover 08 RM 250... but where its at is a secret. ;) The same Suzuki dealer who told me four strokes were the cats meow told me there were no leftover RM's in Canada. After I made a few phone calls I found one. Hows that for a "dealer network."
Good to hear, funny how the salesman told me they were all gone. Guess he really wanted to move that 4 stroke heap on his showroom floor. ;)
I found me a brand new 08 RM 250 and traded a used 08 Brute Force 750 4x4 quad for it straight up a few months ago.