Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: miedosoracing on January 18, 2011, 09:30:05 AM
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You know, the more I watch forums chat it out over and over and over. I think most people don't get it. Not only on the 4 stroke, but even on the 2 stroke side. I actually am not even sure we need 4 strokes and 2 strokes to be equal in pro racing. I actually have sat back for a while and think the only reason 2 strokes aren't making a huge comeback, is they are always left on the backburner. Here's what I mean. We always post links on here about magazines and videos comparing 2 vs 4. Well, they are always one off shootouts or comparisons. We need to start seeing full 250 and open shootouts in magazines and the likes. Here's my reasoning. First, even as DC states, 250 vs 250 is allowed in AMA racing. Open is as well. So, why is it then, that magazines are not doing full 250cc shootouts in magazines. I mean, are they advertising to the factory riders? NOPE. They are writing magazines to sell and for parts and manufacturers to sell to the public and joe normal guy. So, when that same guy doesn't see a 250SX compared to a CRF250 or a YZ250 not compared to a KX250F, then they don't go looking for them. Sure there are 1 off shootouts, but that still doesn't put a ranking on them. We need to start focusing our energies on shootouts in magazines to be made for the general public and what they can ride and what is available. Meaning all models, TM, Maico, etc. 250 shootout, should be exactly that. WHO'S WITH ME? ATTACK!!! ;D
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Good morning. In less than an hour, 2 Stroke riders from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest 2 stroke battle in this history of MX.
MX -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today.
We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.
We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that today is the 18th of January, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation.
We're fighting for our right to ride, mx tracks to exist.
And should we win the day, the 18th of January, will no longer be known as an motocross holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to ride on!
We're going to previal!"
Today, we celebrate our 2 stroke Day!
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You had me up to adding maico to the test, I don't think I can wait that long. :D
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Another thing I've been doing, is sending emails to current race promoters who still run local races with the pro type rules, asking for them to change to the new rules. Letting them know a 125 is not fair against a 250F. And that races all around the world that have switched to 250 vs 250 hasn't shown a 2 stroke domination like many try to advocate.
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1 more note: As a further thought on this whole 125 series he is talking about. I think we should try to get other manufactures to race. We all know it is not a pro race, so the homo rule should not apply. I'd love to see a set of off brands whip up on the 2005-2007 KX CR RM YZ's. Let's get TM, and what ever other manufacturer who is excluded in the homo rule, to race this.
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I think a better title would be "Reasons for 2 strokes not coming back to the AMA." The 2-strokes are just in the wrong series and sanctioning body. What we need is another reputable series. Anyone want to sponsor one?
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I think i made a post on vital asking the same question as to why they dont include the 250 two strokes in their shootouts.
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I think i made a post on vital asking the same question as to why they dont include the 250 two strokes in their shootouts.
Anyone reply?
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Many people agreed while others thought it was stupid and would never happen. I also emailed all of the sites like racerx, twmx, dirtrider, and all the other sites that do the 250 shootouts and asked them to include ktm and yamahas 250 two strokes with the four strokes since they are allowed to race equal cc at most amatuer events. Unfortunately i never got any emails back. Maybe if we keep sending them emails they will finally answer one of us.
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I think a better title would be "Reasons for 2 strokes not coming back to the AMA." The 2-strokes are just in the wrong series and sanctioning body. What we need is another reputable series. Anyone want to sponsor one?
i think you are right i went to a 2t only event in the uk 3 years ago it was like a festival of joy, people were happy talking about bikes wow the vibe was there was massive . The event got took over by a bigger organisation the let 4ts in . Now know one talks about the event its lost it magic . :(
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I also emailed all of the sites like racerx, twmx, dirtrider, and all the other sites that do the 250 shootouts and asked them to include ktm and yamahas 250 two strokes with the four strokes since they are allowed to race equal cc at most amatuer events. Unfortunately i never got any emails back. Maybe if we keep sending them emails they will finally answer one of us.
That's really good!!!
250cc vs 250cc! That's how it should be!
Simplicity could make things a lot less complicated. :)
Just plain logic...
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The idea of a combined shootout is great.
However ,the problem, as I see it, is a lack of R&D on behalf of Yamaha. Unless they are willing to improve the bike in some large way, I have no reason at all to trade my 09 YZ 250 on a newer model.
I guess they still make money on the engine parts they sell me.
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250 shootouts dont work as well with only two bikes.
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The idea of a combined shootout is great.
However ,the problem, as I see it, is a lack of R&D on behalf of Yamaha. Unless they are willing to improve the bike in some large way, I have no reason at all to trade my 09 YZ 250 on a newer model.
I guess they still make money on the engine parts they sell me.
The only problem with that argument, is that the YZ while still being old, is very competitive against all the 250F's.
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Many of us keep forgetting that there are other companies flying the two stroke banner and actually pushing / developing the technology ... KTM, GasGas, TM, Maico (when they're available), and many other obscure smaller companies. Not to mention, Kawi and Suzuki still make 2 strokes, they are just not available here in the states. Just because the big 4 are not pushing smokers does not mean they are dead.
Itâ??s the rags get their advertising from the big 4 - 5 companies. If they truly wanted to do real world 250 showdown, the other brands should be included.
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Many of us keep forgetting that there are other companies flying the two stroke banner and actually pushing / developing the technology ... KTM, GasGas, TM, Maico (when they're available), and many other obscure smaller companies. Not to mention, Kawi and Suzuki still make 2 strokes, they are just not available here in the states. Just because the big 4 are not pushing smokers does not mean they are dead.
Itâ??s the rags get their advertising from the big 4 - 5 companies. If they truly wanted to do real world 250 showdown, the other brands should be included.
How bad would it look if RacerX, MXA or another mag did a full test and the (example) TM 250 2 stroke kicked everyones' butt. That's why it isn't done. I know it, we all know it. But we need to start pushing it. We are the buyers. We want a full test. The more people who ask for it, the more chance we have. make articles about how they don't test all bikes etc.
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It would be nice to see a proper test done.
The Aussie mags have done a few tests on TM's but always the Enduro's not MX's.
It would be great to see a full test of 250's with TM's,Yz's,RM's,KTM, etc.
You are right about the big mag's worried about their advertising dollar. :(
But with alot of countries adopting the 250=250 rule it is about time they did.
We are the one's buying bikes, Not the pro's.
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AMEN!!!
Just had a guy come into the shop tonight, I am a professional tattoo artist and own a shop. He asked me about my DR650s and if I had any other bikes.
Me:"2007 Kx250-"
Him:"the four stroker?"
Me:"HELL NO!"
Him:"I have a YZ450, it's way too much, I love the hit on a 250 2stroke."
Me:"The sell it and get a 250 2stroke."
Him:"Yamaha only makes the 85 now."
Me:" who told you that BS ?"
Him:"The sales man down at the Yamaha shop."
Me:"Which one?"
Him"So&SO"
Me:" That guy is full of sh#t, they still make and import the 125 and the 250, that a@#hat doesn't even ride a motorcycle. Go talk to So&So, trade the grenade in on a new yz250, you'll have to order it. If you don't want to wait, you can find them used in good shape, and rebuild the topend for $150. How many hours are on your 450?"
Him:" IDK it's and 06"
Me:" rebuild it now, don't wait till next week, order the piston kit tonight from ****sport.com, they will ship it free over night, call me when you get it, I will install it for you, and break it in properly. While I have it, post it on Craigslist, and start looking for a 250 2st. I saw at least 20 different ones today all well under $3500."
Him:"OK man"
Now hopefully he'll do it, but he won't,he also stated that he has a ti-carbon fiber exhaust ::)
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My good news is that Texas is going Red (referring to the maps on voting night with MSNBC or FOX) I've been doing what I've been preaching, and can say, so far, GNC MX, TORN, TORCS have gone to cc for cc, and I'm working on TORO. That should set precident in Texas and it will fall soon. I really think we need magazines to print full shootouts for this to work, so please send emails. I have.
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their not going anywhere. We just don"t has as many choices. Get a ktm or yamaha and have fun. ;D
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Gas Gas enduro 250 is a sweet ride, the bar bend is real straight though, I didn't care for them but the rest of the bike was sweet!!!!!!!
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AMEN!!!
Just had a guy come into the shop tonight, I am a professional tattoo artist and own a shop. He asked me about my DR650s and if I had any other bikes.
Me:"2007 Kx250-"
Him:"the four stroker?"
Me:"HELL NO!"
Him:"I have a YZ450, it's way too much, I love the hit on a 250 2stroke."
Me:"The sell it and get a 250 2stroke."
Him:"Yamaha only makes the 85 now."
Me:" who told you that BS ?"
Him:"The sales man down at the Yamaha shop."
Me:"Which one?"
Him"So&SO"
Me:" That guy is full of sh#t, they still make and import the 125 and the 250, that a@#hat doesn't even ride a motorcycle. Go talk to So&So, trade the grenade in on a new yz250, you'll have to order it. If you don't want to wait, you can find them used in good shape, and rebuild the topend for $150. How many hours are on your 450?"
Him:" IDK it's and 06"
Me:" rebuild it now, don't wait till next week, order the piston kit tonight from ****sport.com, they will ship it free over night, call me when you get it, I will install it for you, and break it in properly. While I have it, post it on Craigslist, and start looking for a 250 2st. I saw at least 20 different ones today all well under $3500."
Him:"OK man"
Now hopefully he'll do it, but he won't,he also stated that he has a ti-carbon fiber exhaust ::)
thats a good one :P
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ACMX, I could swear that your avatar video was taken at my local track.
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It's in Port Angeles, Washington :)