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Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: Shawn36 on April 19, 2012, 10:20:31 PM

Title: Yet another project
Post by: Shawn36 on April 19, 2012, 10:20:31 PM
A little back story for my project bike.  Grew up riding and racing 2-strokes like any kid born in the 80s.  I did decently and worked my way up to local expert, then wasn't fast enough so it turned into a hobby about 19.  Like everyone else I got caught up in the 4-stroke hype when the '02 CRF450 came along and from then until now I primarily rode CRF450s.  But about a year ago I got the 2-stroke itch again so I did like any dumb guy in that situation, I went out and bought a clapped out turd of a bike for cheap. 

My purchase?  A 2002 CR250 for $1100.  It had stickers ALL OVER IT and was in really sad shape, but it ran.  I bought it on a Friday and started fixing it up.  Obviously de-stickered it and replaced the essential parts that were wasted.  Then I did something really stupid, instead of actually tearing it down further I packed it up and went racing at a local Vet series where it ran long enough to win the +25A. 

Pics from that race day:




The next weekend I shined on it a little more and took it out.  It promptly exploded, grenading everything from the crank up.  So I put a couple hundred into a complete motor rebuild and rode it a couple more times, then parked it for the better part of a year.  It simply needed too much from suspension to all the usual wear items.  I know all the bearings were original and the bike really felt it's age.  With a new baby and me working 65 hours a week I just didn't have the time or money to deal with it. 

Random pic from the 1 ride I put on it after the last rebuild:



And how it sat right before I gave up on it for the time being:



But now my 30th birthday rolls around and my wife wanted to get me something special.  I told her let me buy what I want for the 250 so I can make it my full-time ride.  Amazingly she went for it!  And for the last week I've been buying up everything I could think of while trying to keep costs within reason.  So far I've spent about $1500 extra but that's bought me the following:

New Kiehin carb from JD Jetting, Excel A60 wheels and spokes, Motion Pro rim locks, Pivot Works complete set of bearings for the entire bike, new sub-frame (former owner bent the last one bad enough it couldn't really be straightened), new cycra plastics, powder coated hubs and triple clamps, new riding gear, and a host of other new normal wear items. 

I've got the bike town down to the frame right now to be throughly cleaned.  I drop the suspension off early next week to be completely refreshed and re-sprung.  Then comes a graphics kit and some motor work.  For now it's going to stay stock just so I can completely readjust and because the top end literally has maybe 2 hours on it.  Might as well get some mileage out of it before sending the motor to Gorr.  I'll take pictures as I get on with putting it all back together.  I'm pretty pumped to say the least, it should be like a brand new bike by next weekend.
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Post by: TMKIWI on April 19, 2012, 10:46:36 PM
Fun times ahead. ;D
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Post by: SachsGS on April 19, 2012, 11:19:58 PM
How would you compare the CR250R to the CRF450?
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 20, 2012, 02:39:43 AM
Originally I didn't like the 450s in '02.  I had an '01 CR I loved but my Father and the shop i rode out of cut me a deal I couldn't refuse on an '02 CRF.  At the time I convinced myself I was faster on the 450 even though it felt and handled like a pig.  Since then I've had an '04, '08, and finally my current normal ride an '09.  

To actually answer your question now that I've ridden a late model CR in anger at my current speed the only bike that comes close is the new generation '09-'12 CRFs.  All the others before it were a significant step back from the 250.  The hit was violent, the weight increase was tremendous, and the cornering capability for me at least was poor on the '02-'08s.  The newer '09+ cut a lot of weight and most of all they sharpened the steering angle to where its almost dangerous.  Most mags allude to this as a bad quirk of the bike but its also what allows it to carve so well in turns.  It's by far the most 2-stroke-like handling 450 on the market.  Other brands have a lot of power but they still turn poorly for me.  That being said the CR is a ginsu knife compared to all of them.  If I can get roughly the same horsepower as my stock 450 out of the CR I will never look back..  
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 20, 2012, 04:15:36 AM
I couldn't resist some early pics.  Most of my stuff will arrive next week but here's what I have so far!

The current state of the CR.. ready to be cleaned and prepped for a rebuild:



New sub-frame and pretty sprocket set:



The new carb:



My favorite so far, the heavy-duty U-shaped A60 Excel rims and Motion Pro 1-piece rim locks.  Local tracks have a lot of big gaps so I wanted something that could withstand casing a big jump:



Spokes and rim lock nuts:



Everyone loves a new gas can:



The surprise find in all this was an almost brand new pipe and silencer on craigslist for 50 bucks:

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Post by: Scooter T on April 20, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
Great read and thanks for the motivation to work on my project.
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Post by: MetalMike1982 on April 20, 2012, 02:14:33 PM
Good luck man ! it's gonna be fun bringing it back to life.
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Post by: Super Trucker on April 20, 2012, 05:04:24 PM
Cool project,Look forward to the mod test. Are you changing the reed block ? I know a local expert that has 2 06 cr250,s  he said the rad valve has a good low to mid improvment,comes out of corners better. The vforce is a improvment over stock,but soesn,t have the low to mid like the r.v.
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 20, 2012, 05:42:43 PM
Cool project,Look forward to the mod test. Are you changing the reed block ? I know a local expert that has 2 06 cr250,s  he said the rad valve has a good low to mid improvment,comes out of corners better. The vforce is a improvment over stock,but soesn,t have the low to mid like the r.v.

The previous owner had put a seal kit on the air boot and a V-Force reed block, so for now I'm going to stick with that.  It also had a PC pipe and silencer but they were both trash. 
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Post by: eprovenzano on April 22, 2012, 01:46:41 PM
There is nothing like the satisfaction of bringing a clapped out bike back to life.  The biggest issues you will have is kicking yourself for waiting so long to make the switch back to a smoker... :D  Don't get me wrong the 450's are nice bikes, but I ride for the grin factor.  Nothing gives me more grins than riding a smoker (well ok there are other things but let?s keep this from going into the gutter :o).  I  enjoy wrenching on my bike and making sure it preforms as I expect it too, but I enjoy blowing by strokers even more.  Especially when they find out my bike is now 12 years old...  The look on their faces are priceless.  

The $ spent on the CR after all is added up may seem a little steep, but some of those $ would have been spent even if you were preparing the CRF for battle.  I'm referring to the suspension, riding gear, etc.  The money spent bringing back the ol girl will be money well spent.  It looks as though you?re spending the money in the correct places.  Just replacing the worn bearing will really make her feel "tight" almost like a new bike.  I'm looking forward to watching the progress.
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Post by: Recovered on April 22, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
You just look like a bad ass when 30 bikes come around the corner and up the hill at Budds Creek and you're in front, on a two stroke. That makes it all worth it.
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 22, 2012, 03:33:04 PM
There is nothing like the satisfaction of bringing a clapped out bike back to life.  The biggest issues you will have is kicking yourself for waiting so long to make the switch back to a smoker... :D  Don't get me wrong the 450's are nice bikes, but I ride for the grin factor.  Nothing gives me more grins than riding a smoker (well ok there are other things but let?s keep this from going into the gutter :o).  I  enjoy wrenching on my bike and making sure it preforms as I expect it too, but I enjoy blowing by strokers even more.  Especially when they find out my bike is now 12 years old...  The look on their faces are priceless.  

The $ spent on the CR after all is added up may seem a little steep, but some of those $ would have been spent even if you were preparing the CRF for battle.  I'm referring to the suspension, riding gear, etc.  The money spent bringing back the ol girl will be money well spent.  It looks as though you?re spending the money in the correct places.  Just replacing the worn bearing will really make her feel "tight" almost like a new bike.  I'm looking forward to watching the progress.


I completely agree.  I kept riding a 450 because I still felt like it was needed to be competitive around here.  Locally I race against a lot of retired pros who can still really move, but even they are switching back to 2-strokes.  But I hardly race anymore and this is all suppose to be for fun, and frankly abusing a 2-stroke is exactly that. 

So far the overall cost of this bike from purchase to hopefully finished product will be right around $3000.  That's less than I can buy a high hour probably poorly maintained late model 450.  So the money I'm spending in bulk right now doesn't bother me a bit.  Unfortunately I had my birthday party this past weekend so I made no progress on the bike.  I should get the bearings and suspension parts today or tomorrow then things really start rolling downhill.  More excited about this project than I have been for anything else in the last several years when it comes to MX. 
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Post by: Recovered on April 22, 2012, 03:43:38 PM
Im hoping to be around 2500 for mine, and considering the 200 dollar price i paid for it, I should be able to get my money back...it's a KTM.  those things hold their value like toyota trucks.

what tracks do you ride at?
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Post by: citabjockey on April 22, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
this thread is great! looking forward to the updates. Any chance for race video when you take it out to use in anger after the rebuild? Thanks for sharing!
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 22, 2012, 03:58:17 PM
Im hoping to be around 2500 for mine, and considering the 200 dollar price i paid for it, I should be able to get my money back...it's a KTM.  those things hold their value like toyota trucks.

what tracks do you ride at?

I'm smack in the middle of the DFW area so there are a lot of great tracks within a few hours drive.  Personal favorites are Underground MX (Kyle Regal's compound), Oak Hill, Swan, and 3 Palms.  The 105 degree heat in the summer really sucks but the dirt around here is top notch. 

I'll post some GoPro videos once I'm happy and up to speed. 
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Post by: Premixed on April 22, 2012, 04:10:45 PM
Regal's little sister is cute.  I'd get at that.
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Post by: Swimr2DaResQ on April 22, 2012, 06:28:40 PM
Keep us posted on how the build is going! I have done most of the same stuff to my 02 CR250 as well. I'm looking into the JD Jetting carb, just need to save the cash first. The bike is looking much better now too.
Good luck! 8)
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 23, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
Progress!!  Hit my first personal dilemma with the project.  Do I bust out the dot-co and wire buffer to get out every little stain or is cleaning by hand good enough?  It may defeat the purpose of tearing it down but I just took the easy route and went with a really good scrub with a mix of Simple Green, SOS pads, and elbow grease.  I really didn't feel like buffing the almost invisible stains out of every weld and making it spotless since it will be covered in dirt by Sunday.  I'm sorry for the crummy pictures, my smart phone isn't so smart when it comes to not taking grainy and washed out shots.  

Edit:  forgot to mention progress is pretty much stopped at this point without all my bearings.  Should have late Tuesday or Wednesday.  Honestly I forgot how easy working on a 2-stroke was.  Reassembly of half the bike took maybe 30 minutes.  The hardest part was remembering the routing for the wire looms. 





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Post by: eprovenzano on April 23, 2012, 01:17:06 PM
Just scrub a dub dub, put some elbow grease to it.  Clean her up the best you can, stand back, admire your work and then get it dirty...  after all it's a two stroke dirt bike that's designed to be thrashed, and come back for more.
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 25, 2012, 01:40:30 AM
My Pivot Works box came in today with all new bearings for the entire bike along with fork and shock rebuild kits.  Dropped off my suspension, hoping the guy gets it done by Saturday so it can all come together for a Sunday ride.  Post some more pics later tonight. 
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 25, 2012, 02:46:29 PM
Time to get after it.  The hubs are finally back from powder coating as well the only thing between myself and some riding this weekend is work.  More pictures of hubs and other goodies coming in the mail later today. 

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Post by: MikeD94 on April 25, 2012, 05:06:49 PM
You got all seals and bearings from Pivot Works!  One thing I noticed is that some of the seals from Pivot Works were low quality.  The ones I got were all plastic...not rubber with steel inserts (IIRC, those were for shocks and linkages).  Had to dig out the stock seals from the trash can. 

Good luck with your build...looks like its gonna come out nice.
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Post by: Premixed on April 25, 2012, 05:44:33 PM
my pivot works fork kit was identical to the oem shit i pulled out of the forks.  application was KTM/White Power
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 25, 2012, 05:54:08 PM
You got all seals and bearings from Pivot Works!  One thing I noticed is that some of the seals from Pivot Works were low quality.  The ones I got were all plastic...not rubber with steel inserts (IIRC, those were for shocks and linkages).  Had to dig out the stock seals from the trash can. 

Good luck with your build...looks like its gonna come out nice.

Yea I've got a sponsorship through Pivot Works/Vertex/HotRods (which is all the same company).  It was significantly cheaper to go that route than OEM.  Everything you see in the picture was about $150.  I'll tell my suspension guy to inspect the quality of the seals, but I haven't heard any complaints from people using their bearings in general. 
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Post by: scotty dog on April 25, 2012, 10:55:36 PM
Gunna be pretty sweet, will be like new with all those new bits..........nice n tight  ;)
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 26, 2012, 04:05:20 AM
Most of my stuff finally arrived.  Cycra plastic, grips, hour meter, chain, and a sweet eBay find of a practically brand new FMF Powercore 2 muffler for $50.



And my current progress.. pretty much everything I can do is done.  Waiting on bearings to be installed, suspension to be finished, and wheels to be laced. 

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Post by: Shawn36 on April 28, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
Well the suspension wasn't done yesterday, so unfortunately it all waits until the end of next week probably.  I'll try to hit up my regular track on Thursday afternoon. 
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Post by: Premixed on April 28, 2012, 11:52:19 PM
I'm a little bit ahead of you right now.
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 29, 2012, 01:34:37 AM
Today at the track I actually saw one of those mid-00s KTM 125s.  Several 2-strokes showing up, mostly 125s strangled by kids who looked Schoolboy age.  One absolute disaster of an early 90s YZ ridden by a guy who really shouldn't have been out there.  Bike had spooge all over the swing arm. 
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Post by: Premixed on April 29, 2012, 02:52:42 AM
Today at the track I actually saw one of those mid-00s KTM 125s.  Several 2-strokes showing up, mostly 125s strangled by kids who looked Schoolboy age.  One absolute disaster of an early 90s YZ ridden by a guy who really shouldn't have been out there.  Bike had spooge all over the swing arm. 

sounds like mine when i got it. 

i saw the guy whom i got mine from at Budds today.  his kid was racing his "other" bike, am RM.  completely fucking clapped.  figures.  hate to see their living room.
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Post by: cnrcpla on April 29, 2012, 03:16:26 AM
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Bike had spooge all over the swing arm
Someone is jetted a bit rich. I get that some times after a long ride on my YZ, but I also intentionally mix rich...
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Post by: TotalNZ on April 29, 2012, 04:47:19 AM
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Bike had spooge all over the swing arm
Someone is jetted a bit rich. I get that some times after a long ride on my YZ, but I also intentionally mix rich...
Your fuel oil mixture has no relation to exhaust spooge.
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Post by: factoryX on April 29, 2012, 11:03:27 AM
^Exactly

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Post by: cnrcpla on April 29, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
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Your fuel oil mixture has no relation to exhaust spooge.
I meant jetted rich. I am jetted rich, but I don't mind it. I will properly jet it when I have some free time to mess with plugs and carbs  ;D
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Post by: Premixed on April 29, 2012, 02:01:03 PM
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Bike had spooge all over the swing arm
Someone is jetted a bit rich. I get that some times after a long ride on my YZ, but I also intentionally mix rich...
Your fuel oil mixture has no relation to exhaust spooge.

So a rich oil mixture will not spooge an exhaust?

Then what does?
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Post by: eprovenzano on April 29, 2012, 04:20:13 PM
rich jetting

A properly jetted bike will not spooge nor foul plugs.  I purposely have mine jetted on the rich side, and get just a tad bit of spooge on the exhaust tip.  I've never fouled a plug, in fact I only change the plug once a year, just because I feel as though I should.

Pick a ratio mixture and jet to it.  A bike running 24:1, jetted properly will not spooge, the same is true of a bike running 50:1 if jetted properly will not spooge.  We can argue (discuss  :D) the atributes of the different ratios all day, but in the end a properly jetted bike will not spooge.
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Post by: motoman356 on April 29, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
fuel and oil mix will also affect spooge out the back side. if you run it 32:1 and your a slower rider or arent on the gas much you'll get some, i use to run it like that but ive switched to 40:1 cuz im slow enough to get away with it. IF i ever get to inter speeds ill be changing it up. just my .02 im not a motorcycle tech but i did sleep in a holiday in
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Post by: cnrcpla on April 30, 2012, 02:11:58 AM
I am jetted rich but have never (knock on wood!) fouled a plug. I get the spooge on the end of my swing arm after a long trail ride (low RPMs) and not so much during or after a race, like the above posts said.
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Post by: Premixed on April 30, 2012, 02:46:18 AM
I ran my RGV 100:1.  Those motors are different though.  they are autolubed and designed to be run like that.
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Post by: TotalNZ on April 30, 2012, 08:04:53 AM
fuel and oil mix will also affect spooge out the back side. if you run it 32:1 and your a slower rider or arent on the gas much you'll get some, i use to run it like that but ive switched to 40:1 cuz im slow enough to get away with it. IF i ever get to inter speeds ill be changing it up. just my .02 im not a motorcycle tech but i did sleep in a holiday in
Na sorry motoman, have to disagree there, your fuel oil mix will not have any bearing on exhaust spooge, it's solely down to your air fuel ratio.
If your bike oils up at low revs or if you're just putting around then your pilot jet or air screw is incorrectly set.
You could run 20:1 and still lean your pilot jet out enough to melt your piston if you wanted. Or you could run 150:1 and jet way rich and you'll get spooge (along with a siezed motor i'd imagine)
Spooge and fouled plugs = too rich jetting.
 
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Post by: MetalMike1982 on April 30, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
fuel and oil mix will also affect spooge out the back side. if you run it 32:1 and your a slower rider or arent on the gas much you'll get some, i use to run it like that but ive switched to 40:1 cuz im slow enough to get away with it. IF i ever get to inter speeds ill be changing it up. just my .02 im not a motorcycle tech but i did sleep in a holiday in
Na sorry motoman, have to disagree there, your fuel oil mix will not have any bearing on exhaust spooge, it's solely down to your air fuel ratio.
If your bike oils up at low revs or if you're just putting around then your pilot jet or air screw is incorrectly set.
You could run 20:1 and still lean your pilot jet out enough to melt your piston if you wanted. Or you could run 150:1 and jet way rich and you'll get spooge (along with a siezed motor i'd imagine)
Spooge and fouled plugs = too rich jetting.



If your  bike is jetted right it wont spooge . Gas/oil mixture has nothing to do with it . its all in the carb jetting
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Post by: Premixed on April 30, 2012, 01:33:26 PM
You fellas know how to plug chop?
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Post by: Shawn36 on April 30, 2012, 02:55:17 PM
You guys are crapping on my build thread!  I'm sure the guy had it jetted rich, it never stopped smoking and things weren't helped by his inability to get on the pipe at all to clean the bike out.  He was a danger to himself and others on a national caliber track like that.  Underground is a rough, rutted, loamy, big jump beast of a track.  He should have been putting around the 50 track. 

I go to pick up my suspension and other parts this afternoon, it should be back in one complete piece tomorrow night!  Then hopefully the first test ride to line everything out Thursday afternoon. 
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Post by: Premixed on April 30, 2012, 03:56:48 PM
I'd be riding mine too this weekend but I have to go to Phoenix to waste some government funds for a group of guys who can't answer emails.

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Post by: Shawn36 on May 02, 2012, 05:40:52 AM
I got everything in one place and finally started putting it all together.  Like usual the lighting and camera on my phone are all horrible.  Please excuse the mess surrounding the bike.  It should be all ready to go by Friday afternoon and ready to ride this weekend!  Yes yes I know..  please pretend the 450 next to it isn't there..  or at least that it's clean. 

The wheels with Excel A60 rims, Excel spokes, and the powder coated hubs





The bike as it sits.. camera washed out the color pretty bad



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Post by: Super Trucker on May 02, 2012, 04:49:57 PM
Your cr is lookin great,I know how cr,s photo if it,s cloudy or sunny the cr,s pic can look like a diff. bike. Ever try a icat ? They work great on a 04 cr125 e. valve motor, icat works good on a 06 cr125 also, bigger improvement on the 04 tho. I just did a google and found a mxa article, stating how the icat improved every part of the 04,s 125,s powerband, then icat said it did nothing for the RM125. I would think the icat would work, on a e.valve cr250.
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Post by: Shawn36 on May 03, 2012, 08:20:29 PM
Starting to get serious!  I'm leaving work now to go by some race fuel and finish the prep for tomorrow.  I'm pumped, can't wait to see how it all feels now that the bike is completely rebuilt. 
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Post by: Shawn36 on May 04, 2012, 11:17:32 AM
Well here we are folks, it's 90% done.  Still needs the chain mounted, front plate properly secured, sag set, and a proper going over to make sure everything is tight.  I started it up and it sounds great. 







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Post by: gpnewhouse7 on May 04, 2012, 01:41:06 PM
Looking good
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Post by: cnrcpla on May 04, 2012, 03:50:44 PM
It looks great. Videos when its up and going? http://twostrokemotocross.com/forum/Themes/Reference/images/post/grin.gif
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Post by: Shawn36 on May 04, 2012, 05:57:09 PM
My helmet cam bit the dust a few months ago so I won't get any of that footage just yet, but if I drag my wife along she can do some iphone videos from the tower. 
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Post by: twosmoke595 on May 04, 2012, 06:14:32 PM
wow that's looking great!!!

did you pc that sprocket?  seems like it would start chipping off

who did your hubs?
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Post by: Shawn36 on May 04, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
The sprocket is anodized directly from Renthal, for an extra 5 bucks they'll send you one of a few different colors.  That's why it's a different red from the hubs.  The hubs were done by a local guy for 45 bucks, we didn't have much of a match for CR red but he got close I think.  I wanted to do the frame and swing arm too but the logistics of that were a pain in the ass. 

I was aiming to copy this look minus the graphics but it would have just cost too much on top of everything else I did:

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Post by: twosmoke595 on May 04, 2012, 06:57:20 PM
oh i guess the way the picture looks it makes it look like it was the same as the hubs, the hubs look great! that bright red really pops, gonna be one clean bike when you get through that's for sure!
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Post by: Shawn36 on May 05, 2012, 11:47:02 AM
Bike is complete and loaded in the truck to go ride after work.  I'll take a few shots after it gets daylight.  Waking up at 4am really blows.
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Post by: scotty dog on May 05, 2012, 01:54:54 PM
Sweet as! Hope it goes like it looks
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Post by: Dirtbikeologist on May 09, 2012, 08:14:25 PM
That was a great project story and an extremely nice CR.  Hope it did not remain that clean for too long...
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Post by: Shawn36 on May 10, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
Outdoor pictures.  This is after a ride before it got cleaned since the light was fading.  Rode it again last night.  Worked out a lot of bugs.  I quickly realized the '09+ CRF450 chassis really changed my style because I hate 100mm of sag.  I have to run the bike low in the back or it just feels unrideable.  Also I was having a small blubbering issue at 1/4-1/2 throttle that I chased around but never really nailed down.  It's been a while since I rode a 2-stroke except for a few laps on my buddy's '12 KTM 250SX, and I must say it makes me feel slow.  I didn't have much confidence yet to charge or be very aggressive.  The bike feels light but strangely that felt like a negative compared to the 450.  Just going to take some time.

Like I said, keep in mind this is right after the first day breaking it in.  So it is dirty:










My wife didn't feel like standing up.. she also took a short video with her iphone I'll try and upload.  Obviously she can't zoom so for a portion of it I'm pretty small.   ;D
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Post by: cnrcpla on May 10, 2012, 01:54:47 PM
Is that your definition of dirty?  :o Try riding up here after a rain storm, that's a dirty ride  ;D
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Post by: snook620 on May 11, 2012, 05:27:57 AM
Looks good. I love black wheels on Honda's.
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Post by: Shawn36 on May 12, 2012, 03:38:59 AM
The final product nice and clean.  Pretty happy with how it all came out.  Now all I need to do is re-adjust to it.  Felt really strange on the bike last weekend.







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Post by: Shawn36 on May 12, 2012, 03:45:16 AM
And a short youtube video of my first real full ride on it.  It was done with my wife's iPhone and unfortunately she didn't turn the phone sideways.  So really only the first 40 seconds is worth watching, the rest I'm tiny because the phone can't zoom while filming.  The best I could get her to do on short notice.

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Post by: TotalNZ on May 12, 2012, 09:20:18 AM
Niice, looked like you were going pretty good can't wait to see when you've clocked some hours on it.
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Post by: luthier269 on May 26, 2012, 04:41:05 AM
How does the throtle position sensor effect the new carb? Or the lack of one on the new carb.
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Post by: Recovered on May 28, 2012, 01:39:29 AM
Put some graphics on it man.
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Post by: ACMX on May 28, 2012, 07:05:53 AM
Ya! They add 3 HP!
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Post by: Recovered on May 28, 2012, 03:07:20 PM
Ya! They add 3 HP!

They protect your plastics which cost more.
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Post by: twosmoke595 on May 28, 2012, 04:45:06 PM
this bike is actually for sale, here is the cl ad  ???

"Put a few break-in rides on it after finishing the work I just don't enjoy as much as my 450."

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/mcy/3025015602.html
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Post by: Recovered on May 28, 2012, 04:48:34 PM
complete Benedict Arnold.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: MetalMike1982 on May 28, 2012, 06:10:40 PM
   Dont be to hard on the guy . Most people need the lazy fooper power in order to go fast . Why learn how to ride better when you dont need to right ? ::) ::)

Title: Yet another project
Post by: Recovered on May 28, 2012, 06:23:21 PM
i'd like to have that CR.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 28, 2012, 06:58:34 PM
   Dont be to hard on the guy . Most people need the lazy fooper power in order to go fast . Why learn how to ride better when you dont need to right ? ::) ::)

i mean cuz its not like he spent all that money then he coudln't splurge for a flywheel to calm it down to make it ride-able
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Shawn36 on May 28, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
   Dont be to hard on the guy . Most people need the lazy fooper power in order to go fast . Why learn how to ride better when you dont need to right ? ::) ::)

i mean cuz its not like he spent all that money then he coudln't splurge for a flywheel to calm it down to make it ride-able

There's nothing wrong with the hit or how calm the power is, it rides just fine.  What can I say, I tried to re-live my youth with the bike and it just doesn't really work out in reality.  I spent the last week riding my buddies brand new '12 KTM 250SX because he wants to sell it and I didn't really enjoy that either.  Compared to a 450 at speed the bike is nervous and not very planted.  The power, shifting, clutching, none of that is a big deal.  It pulls fine and turns great, but so does my 450.  So I think I'm pretty honest when I say I'm significantly faster on a 450, so much so that struggling with the feel of the 250 just isn't any fun.  You can say I'm spoiled or whatever, that's fine.  But I'm a competitive guy at heart. So while I'm still a 2-stroke fan I'm also looking to be competitive because I race against some very fast dudes.  I'm not just out there "for the fun of it", because that's what guys who can't win or don't race say. 

Anyway, the bike is pretty much sold to a kid who will put it to far better use than I.  I'm sure it will show up at Loretta's next year in the 250A near the front of the pack.  Also I'm not taking any kind of a loss on it, the parts were all bought at or near cost except for the carb. 
Title: Yet another project
Post by: twosmoke595 on May 28, 2012, 08:24:27 PM
   Dont be to hard on the guy . Most people need the lazy fooper power in order to go fast . Why learn how to ride better when you dont need to right ? ::) ::)

i mean cuz its not like he spent all that money then he coudln't splurge for a flywheel to calm it down to make it ride-able

There's nothing wrong with the hit or how calm the power is, it rides just fine.  What can I say, I tried to re-live my youth with the bike and it just doesn't really work out in reality.  I spent the last week riding my buddies brand new '12 KTM 250SX because he wants to sell it and I didn't really enjoy that either.  Compared to a 450 at speed the bike is nervous and not very planted.  The power, shifting, clutching, none of that is a big deal.  It pulls fine and turns great, but so does my 450.  So I think I'm pretty honest when I say I'm significantly faster on a 450, so much so that struggling with the feel of the 250 just isn't any fun.  You can say I'm spoiled or whatever, that's fine.  But I'm a competitive guy at heart. So while I'm still a 2-stroke fan I'm also looking to be competitive because I race against some very fast dudes.  I'm not just out there "for the fun of it", because that's what guys who can't win or don't race say. 

Anyway, the bike is pretty much sold to a kid who will put it to far better use than I.  I'm sure it will show up at Loretta's next year in the 250A near the front of the pack.  Also I'm not taking any kind of a loss on it, the parts were all bought at or near cost except for the carb.

i was just giving you a hard time lol
i understand that especially 450'suit people's style better, and you're completely right, they require 2 different riding styles and a 450 definitely feels more planted than a 250 2 stroke and it doesn't skate around as much. Jumping from a 4 to a 2 is a huge difference, so much so people (like yourself) don't feel comfortable riding them. But don't go saying that you can't be competitive on a 250, because you can, if a guy on a 250f can have a faster lap times in nationals than the fastest man on the planet, a 250 2 stroke can be more than competitive. All i can say is that the flywheel we put on our yz250 it calmed the bike down, made it not as twitchy (although it still is compared to 4 strokes) and i think it's easier and more fun to ride.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: ACMX on May 28, 2012, 10:11:41 PM
They protect your plastics which cost more.

$100 on graphics... Or $100 on new top end... Hmmm...

I'm not just out there "for the fun of it", because that's what guys who can't win or don't race say. 

Are you serious? Do you realize how many people you just disrespected?
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Recovered on May 29, 2012, 01:02:38 AM
They protect your plastics which cost more.

$100 on graphics... Or $100 on new top end... Hmmm...





his top end has 30 minutes on it.   or, how about 200 dollars on graphics and a top end?  You don;t HAVE to choose all the time guys.  putting graphics on your bike is not a sin.  Some of you guys take this penny-pinching shit way too fucking far to the point that you act like you HAVE to ride a roached out bike unless you're pro.  and yes, a bike without graphics WILL look roached in 3 rides when the plastics are scratched to piss.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: cnrcpla on May 29, 2012, 01:16:37 AM
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his top end has 30 minutes on it.   or, how about 200 dollars on graphics and a top end?  You don;t HAVE to choose all the time guys.  putting graphics on your bike is not a sin.  Some of you guys take this penny-pinching shit way too fucking far to the point that you act like you HAVE to ride a roached out bike unless you're pro.  and yes, a bike without graphics WILL look roached in 3 rides when the plastics are scratched to piss.
I have graphics on mine, but in the areas where it doesn't it does get scratched up. But, some "New bike in a can" (Yes that is a real product) and some good cleaning makes them nearly invisible, unless you have a gouge in it from a whip out.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Recovered on May 29, 2012, 01:33:25 AM
Ive been WD40-ing my bike from top to bottom since I was on 80s.  the dirt doesnt stick the next time you pressure wash it.  none of the aluminum ever gets that orange-ish residue on it.  always looks like brand new.  I just drag the brakes on the way to the starting line to clean to rotors off, and im good to go.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: scotty dog on May 29, 2012, 01:40:40 AM
Ive been WD40-ing my bike from top to bottom since I was on 80s.  the dirt doesnt stick the next time you pressure wash it.  none of the aluminum ever gets that orange-ish residue on it.  always looks like brand new.  I just drag the brakes on the way to the starting line to clean to rotors off, and im good to go.
Me too, its good shit and yep makes it look like new, ever forgotten to drag the brakes? i have and gotten to the end of the start straight and gone oooooohhhhhhh sssssshhhhhhiiiiiiiittttttttt!!
only did it once  :D :D
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Recovered on May 29, 2012, 01:45:32 AM
Ive been WD40-ing my bike from top to bottom since I was on 80s.  the dirt doesnt stick the next time you pressure wash it.  none of the aluminum ever gets that orange-ish residue on it.  always looks like brand new.  I just drag the brakes on the way to the starting line to clean to rotors off, and im good to go.
Me too, its good shit and yep makes it look like new, ever forgotten to drag the brakes? i have and gotten to the end of the start straight and gone oooooohhhhhhh sssssshhhhhhiiiiiiiittttttttt!!
only did it once  :D :D

Absolutely have. 
Title: Yet another project
Post by: cnrcpla on May 29, 2012, 01:54:41 AM
I will have to try WD40... Its one more use I can add to it  :P I usually put a rag over each rotor before I spray it down.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Recovered on May 29, 2012, 01:59:17 AM
I will have to try WD40... Its one more use I can add to it  :P I usually put a rag over each rotor before I spray it down.

no, just spray the rotors.  it keeps them and the little bolts from rusting while the bike sits.  the pads only bust the corrosion off the braking surface, but the hats (center part) will corrode.  and if the WD eats your pads a little, so what, pads are a fraction of the cost of rotors.  spray the chain so you dont have to waste chainlube on it while it sits in storage, that way you can just hit it with a bead of lube right before your moto. 

Just spray the whole bike, top to bottom, then get a clean rag and wipe the excess off the top surfaces of your plastics, seat, grips.  buy it in the large gallon can, and put it into an old spray bottle.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: cnrcpla on May 29, 2012, 02:01:15 AM
My bike usually never sits for more than a week. I ice race in the winter and moto in the summer, trails in the fall and spring. It really only sits while I do top ends.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Recovered on May 29, 2012, 02:03:13 AM
My bike usually never sits for more than a week. I ice race in the winter and moto in the summer, trails in the fall and spring. It really only sits while I do top ends.

I'm from FL, where rotors rust in the time it takes to drink a beer.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: cnrcpla on May 29, 2012, 02:05:24 AM
Oh, yeah the humidity would do that pretty quick.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: ACMX on May 29, 2012, 08:58:21 AM
They protect your plastics which cost more.

$100 on graphics... Or $100 on new top end... Hmmm...





his top end has 30 minutes on it.   or, how about 200 dollars on graphics and a top end?  You don;t HAVE to choose all the time guys.  putting graphics on your bike is not a sin.  Some of you guys take this penny-pinching shit way too fucking far to the point that you act like you HAVE to ride a roached out bike unless you're pro.  and yes, a bike without graphics WILL look roached in 3 rides when the plastics are scratched to piss.

Well, I am a college student working a minimum wage job. I would rather buy a spare top end than graphics any day.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Recovered on May 29, 2012, 12:27:11 PM
They protect your plastics which cost more.

$100 on graphics... Or $100 on new top end... Hmmm...





his top end has 30 minutes on it.   or, how about 200 dollars on graphics and a top end?  You don;t HAVE to choose all the time guys.  putting graphics on your bike is not a sin.  Some of you guys take this penny-pinching shit way too fucking far to the point that you act like you HAVE to ride a roached out bike unless you're pro.  and yes, a bike without graphics WILL look roached in 3 rides when the plastics are scratched to piss.

Well, I am a college student working a minimum wage job. I would rather buy a spare top end than graphics any day.

and that is no reason to disagree with someone who can handle spending a few bucks on something cosmetic.  cosmetic parts are not the devil.  you're ALLOWED to buy an anodized rear brake clevis, if your heart desires.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: MetalMike1982 on May 29, 2012, 01:01:03 PM
My bike usually never sits for more than a week. I ice race in the winter and moto in the summer, trails in the fall and spring. It really only sits while I do top ends.

I'm from FL, where rotors rust in the time it takes to drink a beer.


Thats the truth too . I've been doing the wd40 trick since day one  makes the dirt just rinse off . good shit
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Recovered on May 29, 2012, 01:06:51 PM
it also displaces water in all the nooks and crannies right after you washed the bike.
Title: Yet another project
Post by: ACMX on May 29, 2012, 08:03:52 PM
and that is no reason to disagree with someone who can handle spending a few bucks on something cosmetic.  cosmetic parts are not the devil.  you're ALLOWED to buy an anodized rear brake clevis, if your heart desires.
When did I do that  :P
Title: Yet another project
Post by: Super Trucker on May 30, 2012, 07:28:25 AM
Thx for sharing the build Shawn36, very sharp bike. Too bad you didn,t dig the feel of the bike, the 05-07,s  have a much stronger motor, better suspension. I went to a pro am race at a very deep sand track with hills sunday, there was  a few cr250,s in the top 10 in 250a.