Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: Chris2T on January 14, 2010, 11:22:36 PM
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hand-i-cap: a race or other contest in which certain disadvantages or advantages of weight, distance, time, etc., are placed upon competitors to equalize their chances of winning.
The totally unfair 4 stroke displacement advantage should be described as exactly what it is - a handicap. That's the word i'm using from now on, and with any luck it catches on and is a source of shame for the 4 stroke riders who use it LOL. What say people?
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That is a great idea Chris. :D From now on when anyone tells me they ride a 450f I will say, "oh, you ride in the hanicapped class". Thanks for the heads up, I will definately start using the caught line..........
Rooster
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I've been calling it "cheating" for months now. :D
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Chris - that's awesome!! I'm definitely using it.
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I like that as well. Had to tell that joke on Vital. LOL
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WOW! there is some serious hostility over there miedoso!
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WOW! there is some serious hostility over there miedoso!
That's the main reason I don't like reading anything on the other motocross boards and that I'm so vocal about being respectful, whether here or any where else.
What truly bugs me is when a new member signs up and everyone jumps on them and tells the to shut the f*** up. Yes, I know it's supposed to be in jest.
It's just that if a you invited a person over to your house for a party, how would you great them??? Most decent people would welcome them by saying hello or welcoming them in some way. And yes that is how I look at it... this place is like my house. All are welcome to talk about two stroke dirt bikes, just be respectful.
Truly, I wonder how many people on Vital (or any other message board) would behave the way they do if it was required to post using their real name?? I know there are some that would act the same way no matter what... to be honest those are the ones that I don't want in my house.
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yeah handicapped 4 stroke bikes is best way to describe the situation!
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(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/Handi-cap.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m26/YZ_John/Handi-cap.jpg)
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haha we HAVE to push this - we have been searching for a quick, simple and clear way to put accross the unfair advantage 4 strokes have and this covers it perfectly. I think it warrants a story on the main website with this picture!
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I actually find it funny how uptight people get over something simple as a joke. Jeesh. I can't wait until everything is equal. I am gonna pull up so many posts that said we were whiners. They will all be crying so bad. "Why'd I spend so much on a slower bike." LOL
By the way, a 150SX will be tested in a magazine soon. I'm putting my 2 cents in to them with hopes, that they test it against a stock 250F....
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thing is I think its funny and its kind of a joke but its also completely 100% true! plus I think the mags should test 250cc 2 stroke against 250 4 strokes in my opinion
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Actually, I'd rather they not compare them. If they do, and the 250 2 stroke smacks down on the 250fart, there is 0 chance that changes can be made. With the unknown, it makes it easier. Seeing videos like the one from loretta lynns 250f vs 250t, was very similar. But stock for stock the 250t will kill the 250f. Not even close. It is 5 year old design still as well.
Plus, one more thing good about the 250t and 250fart being equal, it gives the 125/150 class a chance to re emerge. If we can say more and more about how close the 2 are, the better.
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Promoting the 2T by hiding its superiority isn't going to work. We wouldn't want to get equal-displacement, but have everybody think the 250F is faster anyway. That would suck.
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Sorry to disagree with you, but until last year, it was assumed by the top, that the 250s were very similar. Thus, the talk about allowing them together. When Jason Lawrence rode the stock YZ250 for Yamaha to compare them and killed his lap times on the Fully modded 250F. He told the people in charge that he planned on winning every race with one. That killed hope for the current year. Fact
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As much as I enjoyed that video of Jason Lawrence, I agree that it scared the Big 5 and in a huge way. They have been touting that the four-strokes are superior in every way and here this young upstart "kid" told them if he could race it he would destroy them.
This would put some serious egg on many faces at the pro level....
Imagine the scenario of a factory team competing on modded 250F's, guys that are used to winning all the time, some racer shows up at the local National on a 250cc two-stroke (a bike that the manufacturers and media have claimed is not anywhere as good as the four-stroke, conveniently leaving out the fact that it has to be double the displacement of the two stroke) This racer proceeds to stomp the 250F's... it would send all the factory race teams into spin cycle. All of them would run out and get 250cc two-strokes for the next week so that they could compete.
That would "blow" the whole charade for what it truly is, a pile of baloney disguised as technology.
The worst part is that they would have to admit that they were wrong.
Not a very good situation for them at all.....
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Haha, i love this, except, I don't ride with any 450 guys, well, I guess I could tell my 250f friends that they are riding a handicap bike. Maybe we could call the modern four strokes the new short buses.