Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: Charles Owens on December 28, 2010, 07:44:50 PM
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Cedrics YZ was dynoed in France on the 23rd. Today they started the final build.
(http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz58/cowenz/Misc/CedricYZ.jpg)
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Awesome!
If that is the final build? then they r using stock revalved suspension, and stock triples and hubs? Hopefully they aren't on that small of a budget.
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Awesome!
If that is the final build? then they r using stock revalved suspension, and stock triples and hubs? Hopefully they aren't on that small of a budget.
Enzo! They are getting more attention than everybody on four stroke. Hope they hit new sponsors!
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Yea I right they r on a very small budget. :-[
Quotes from DV12 on vital
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/MotoRelated,20/Twostrokes-back-in-2011-US-Supercross-,1156243?page=8 (http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/MotoRelated,20/Twostrokes-back-in-2011-US-Supercross-,1156243?page=8)
"Hey guys, it's a MotoConcepts program without any help of Yamaha. I didn't even ask them anything! Actually, I am lying... I asked Jim Perry if he had a linkage and some 22.5mm triple clamps laying around. He said, they threw away everything in 2006.
This 2 stroke project came about with Cedric asking for advice to ride in the USA at the Geneva SX and me looking into it with Mike Genova at MotoConcepts. I pulled some strings, Cedric got a little budget from Freegun Underwear, he'll stay at my house and will share my room (not my bed, I see you coming...) at the races. My dad put in some hours for free to build a competitive engine. It's a low-key, small budget, one bike program for 6 races only but again.....
IT'S A MOTOCONCEPTS-ONLY PROGRAM...
He will have 2 days to get used to the Enzo Setup before Phoenix.
It's a base setup on stock suspension. With their experience, we shouldn't be too far off..."
Still excited!!!! but it looks like his KTM might be better...
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I think the biggest problem is that he has to get used to his yamaha. 2 Strokes is not rocketscience and because of that we like them for their relative simplicity. And so on.
Thinking about rocket science i was at nuclear institute here in Siberia where a friend of mine teaches and works. They work on a project of nuclear fusion (Iter project US also involved i heard) that is really cool. They showed me all and i also saw real plasma. Not that i know what plasma is but i looked it up on a page called "plasma for kids" so i know now. I asked : are some things are not secret? He said uhhh maybe but you do not understand a thing so it does not matter. The amounts of energy needed for accelerators and plasma are insane. Really interesting.
But ok 2 strokes are not that. So if he, cedric, has to get used to the bike's suspension in 2 days that really could be a problem after him riding a KTM for so long.
Really i do not understand that KTM not supports him. Really they missed a huge opportunity i think.
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Where did the stuff from the two50 project go? Wasn't that donated? A kit forks, Triple clamps etc? DV needs some parts it sounds like, and I think the 2 stroke fans need to step up. We need to get a pool going over there and here for some funds for triple clamps, and ask what else DV needs to be setup right. We are already behind the 8 ball without any help from factory. But to use a stock bike in a supercross is just BS. Yamaha, yeah, we can see how much you support the 2 strokes. KTM, couldn't even give him a bike to ride? He wasn't really even asking for money it looks like. This is complete BS on the OEM side, but awesome from Motoconcepts and DV. I know who I will order from when I need something.
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Miedo in the end we will win. No worry.
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Sorry, but I saw it when I was trying to do something as well. 2 stroke fans are all, whoo hooo about this, but aren't willing to help. I for one will contact DV today and offer some money towards parts. Motoconcepts may be a big company, but they obviously don't have funds to do what needs to be done. I say step up or shut up to 2 strokers around the world. To be successful, you need support, and that doesn't mean cheering. The mighty dollar speaks. Ok, end rant.
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A set of triple clamps would cost less than $200 to machine, even less if you make the CAD file and shop around CNC places. Magnesium can be purchased in wrought bar fine for heat treatment and machining.
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Project250 bought that suspension it was not cheap either, but they got a better deal then normal on it.
Project250 was a great idea, I just think they got carried away with engine mods, but they were also trying new things out which was awesome, but I wish they would have built a stock engine with just a port job and stuff so it was reliable, and run mixture at 32:1 like normal.
But with this Cedric deal he is a badass rider so I know he will be in night program no issue at all, main events will be hard but I hope out of the 6 he is doing he can at least make 2-3 of them.
Now If I could just lose this damn weight, now that my leg is getting good finally I would try racing SX again, now that my bike is dialed in like it should have been last year, but Im not doing it unless I can drop 60 pounds, been working out but just not coming off.
I do plan to do some Nationals though!
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I agree, I would have liked to see a 2 stroke run a couple races, before doing all the engine mods. But it's just the way things go. I personally just think in ways, we need to step up. Most of the 2 stroke faithfuls are just not doing anything to further the cause. They just ride 2 strokes, but don't buy any new bikes, and don't put their money where there mouth is, so it does nothing for the cause.
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Any ideas for helping out?
Does anyone have an email address for someone at MC?
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The cause? That cause that those big factories wants us to ride 4 strokes? And they only make 4 strokes and that the factoriy riders are being paid to ride them? And we want 2 strokes back in SX and so on. This will happen anyhow because the public demands 2 strokes looks at the amount of hits on Vital.
For the rest i really do not care so why should i support a 2 stroke in those commercial races? I like cedric being up there really i like it but should i pay for something that is going to happen anyhow? As far as i know motorcycles business is really very bad in Europe due to crisis and if the big factories want to sell morre bikes they have to produce what public wants and if they do not they will loose money and so on. I guess they are not that stupid.
Their plan just did not succeed.
Look at it like American monetairy system . Quantitative easing and so on. Bernanke printing money and the fed being a secret institute of private people.
Like 4 strokes in motocross is it like a terminal sick patient staying alive with heavy doping and medicines.
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Sorry, but hits on a web page mean crap. 2 strokes won't just appear. There is only 3,000 votes for the petition. Do you realize how many 4 strokes were sold last year? There are too many sheeple who still will just follow. Plus the new people who might buy bikes, will still listen to magazines etc, many don't even know what a 2 stroke is or anything about it. So they buy, blow up and quit. Commercial races, while you may not care anything about, are the news and advertisement. If we have 2 strokes racing against double cc bikes and doing well, then it does make a difference. If there are fans cheering on a guy, on a different bike, people will ask why... If 250F local slow riders, see that even the 250 2 stroke can run with 450F's, they will open their eyes maybe. If supercross didn't mean anything about who buys what, there would not be millions poured into it from OEM's every year. Just sayin
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If motoconcepts and DV12 need money and are taking donations that they guarantee will go toward the two stroke project then I am in. I have some spare dollars sitting in my pay pal account. Any word or info on this yet miedoso? It sounded like DV was trying his hardest to get the ball rolling with some trick stuff, but Yamaha no longer had anything. It apparently went in the "bin". I love what 2T institute had to say. Just make a set of clamps, easy, make em out of magnesium while we are at it. That is an awesome attitude, it would be good to see you heavily involved in a project like this one. Help turn the moto industry upside down with some successful two stroke results in a pro AMA event.
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No word yet. I did ask. Also, I was thinking to ask him, exactly what they needed, so we could have more of a guarantee it went towards that. I was gonna send some 2 stroke shirts etc too.
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Wow, only 2 days to test? I think the Yamaha has a better chassis than the KTM anyway, even without all those un-obtainable trick parts the Yamaha should handle better then his KTM. The motor will be a different story.
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I'm with SwapperMX. I would like to see Charles contact the team and ask what specifically they need. It would be nice for him to say, "Two Stroke Motocross will cover that expense."
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But we don't know how much funding they actually need. TSM needs some of that to get to big races and advertise.
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at this point since MC is a bigger name with bigger names it would be a bigger help to support them at the moment instead of twracing. think about it: if you wanted to advertise do you hook up with RC/TP/JS7/reed or some local three digit guy who is hidden in the back by the massive 4t haulers??
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DV12 on vital:
"The chassis is done. We need the race engine which the final one will be tested on sunday and shipped on monday.
Here are the graphics. The cartoon theme is a print of underwear company, Freegun, which is helping out Cedric and MotoConcepts for this challenge... "
(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/volwrath25/216806210-5f01a68ca9a6dde3246044b26051bcd34d1c11d0-scaled.jpg)
http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/volwrath25/216806210-5f01a68ca9a6dde3246044b26051bcd34d1c11d0-scaled.jpg (http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/volwrath25/216806210-5f01a68ca9a6dde3246044b26051bcd34d1c11d0-scaled.jpg)
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Very odd looking graphics
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I kinda like the superhero theme on the graphics and I noticed his number is the same upside down
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Damn, wish I woulda got my sx endorsement again this year. Would have only been able to do a couple but it would have still been fun :-(
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charles, tell them if they want i will trade them my 1 ride old perfect condition PC works pipe. i would need the stock one they took off in return though as i need a pipe. i dont have a silencer i just run the stocker
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I think they r sponsored by FMF and will probably get a free pipe.
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i would hope so, but hey its all i can do to offer some help.
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Damn, wish I woulda got my sx endorsement again this year. Would have only been able to do a couple but it would have still been fun :-(
Do it Watson, I might try again this year if I can lose this weight I gained from laying around for 10 months after breaking femur, yeah I will not do anything like Cedric is going to do, but still be fun, and since my bikes dialed now I have little more confidence that I can do everything.
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Hey guys, I am more than willing to help MC anyway I/we can.
I have sent several e-mails to them in the last few weeks, no answers.
If someone can get them to respond or contact me, I can try to work something out.
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I sent DV a personal message through Vital that the guys over here were wanting to help out with support, and asked him what he needed. Maybe I'll get a response.
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Hopefully, thank you!
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Looks like they got triple clamps on there. Maybe they don't need anything. I've not got a reply, and guessing Burns hasn't either. Pic of the bike, looks like rewelds were done on the frame to strengthen.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UrQcbk8bU8g/TR0Fw-x0LrI/AAAAAAAABWA/uSf5X7ytmQo/s1600/100_3851.JPG)
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Here's the other pics:
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(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/volwrath25/100_3852.jpg)
(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/volwrath25/100_3850.jpg)
(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq159/volwrath25/100_3848.jpg)
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Starting to look good! :)
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Starting to look good! :)
Certainly is. Cant wait.
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The way I read it / have seen, Motoconcepts are an established team, with a fair amount of support.
So, perhaps they don't /won't need money or parts donations. Those things perhaps should be held back for a TSM effort, if attempted again.
But if they respond saying any help is welcome, then go ahead and help them.
The way to support their effort, I think, If they are the team I think they are, is by buying product from them, contacting them and letting them know of your support and how you've picked up on them through this very welcome support of a 2t, and even contacting, buying product from their various sponsors And letting the sponsors know your spending has been influenced by this 2t support.
That is the sort of thing that can really register with sponsors - it is the (major) reason they sponsor teams / riders.
Spreading the word through the various Internet forums about this, praising those involved in it, is another great way to thank those behind the effort. Good publicity is what it's all about.
Why KTM didn't think of this sort of thing with Cedric is a bit surprising - they must have seen the publicity he / they got from his Euro efforts in the GPs and Euro SX. Quite a missed opportunity for them , I'd say.
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Bearorso has a great point! This is what truly needs to be done.
Charles my suggestion is to contact them and ask if you could pot blogs direct from the team to get the word out to two-stroke fans. They may not go for it, but you have direct access to a large contingent of fans. The mainstream media will only make brief mentions about their effort. But TSM could give detailed information which would be terrific advertising for all the teams sponsors.
Te fact that DV is involved, has tons of factory race team and experience with Yamaha is very comforting. Please don't second guess their choices on what they put into the bike.
While Project Two 50 did not live up to it's potential, we were pulled apart by everyone thinking that they had the best idea for getting the bike more notoriety in the press. This is the reason for the "see-saw" action of the engine mods and more.
Obviously the problems were more numerous than I care to mention, but lets just say that the fact that Project Two 50 showed up at the races and got some press was a win for the two-stroke. While we did not accomplish our goals, we did get lots of people thinking that the two-stroke was worth looking at.
As for the parts and stuff on the bike, most of the sponsors offered us 50% discount on parts and accessories. So we still had to buy most everything for the machine. Mike's dad put up the money for the suspension, which Mike has to pay him back for. Some of our good sponsors, donated cash, which helped us to get further than we could have ever imagined.
To mount this kind of effort requires so much more than you can imagine, unless you've been in the situation. The most IMPORTANT aspect is to surround yourself with the best people possible. Then next is to make sure that you are all working towards the same goal... you guys know the rest.
I for one will be watching Cedric's progress very closely!
Whoo Hooo
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DV should know just what is needed to build a good, competitive YZ250 - he did pretty damned well on one. And , from what I recall, his dad is a Very Good 2t tuner.
John, did you finally get that parcel?, and is that a Cobra as your avatar? - an amazing car build on that CD/book, if you've seen it.
I hope it's a great year for all,
Bear.