Post by: TMKIWI on October 04, 2012, 07:42:50 AM
Turn down the sound and enjoy his qualifying lap.
Post by: xandyx on October 04, 2012, 02:44:18 PM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on October 04, 2012, 03:18:45 PM
As for the American team, well, they picked the Champions and the most popular riders. That usually wins it for us but the tracks are usually not "specialized" tracks. For Belgium, it is all sand - like Florida. Eli Tomac (trains with Tichnor in Florida, Zack Osbourne (races the World Championship - US will get him next year) is coming on strong often top 3 qualifier, and even Bubba would have been a better choice. Bubba can ride him some sand! It fits his balls out riding style.
My Congrats to Germany winning their first and to Cairoli for showing us how it's done.
Post by: xandyx on October 04, 2012, 07:28:13 PM
it's hard to beat cairoli nowadays, but all of them rode as hard as they could..
Post by: _X_ on October 04, 2012, 10:17:31 PM
Post by: twosmoke595 on October 04, 2012, 10:31:10 PM
I being an american would've loved to see the US win again. Now, i'm not making excuses for our team, BUT seeing as how every one of our riders fell multiple times, i am very surprised we didn't do worse.
But i bet now you won't see cairoli or herlings come over to the US and race. THAT is a fact. They wouldn't want to run top 10 or mid pack, they'd want to be up front. Which, sadly wouldn't happen in america.
Post by: _X_ on October 04, 2012, 10:44:26 PM
Post by: _X_ on October 04, 2012, 10:54:23 PM
Post by: TotalNZ on October 04, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
this race was specifically designed for the US to lose. and it accomplished that.Pull your head out of your arse, it's attitudes like yours that make the rest of the world dislike america.
I being an american would've loved to see the US win again. Now, i'm not making excuses for our team, BUT seeing as how every one of our riders fell multiple times, i am very surprised we didn't do worse.
But i bet now you won't see cairoli or herlings come over to the US and race. THAT is a fact. They wouldn't want to run top 10 or mid pack, they'd want to be up front. Which, sadly wouldn't happen in america.
Post by: factoryX on October 05, 2012, 01:02:08 AM
this race was specifically designed for the US to lose. and it accomplished that.
I being an american would've loved to see the US win again. Now, i'm not making excuses for our team, BUT seeing as how every one of our riders fell multiple times, i am very surprised we didn't do worse.
But i bet now you won't see cairoli or herlings come over to the US and race. THAT is a fact. They wouldn't want to run top 10 or mid pack, they'd want to be up front. Which, sadly wouldn't happen in america.
Why? Because our tracks are packed to point of being as hard as asphalt?
Post by: TMKIWI on October 05, 2012, 01:25:00 AM
this race was specifically designed for the US to lose. and it accomplished that.
I being an american would've loved to see the US win again. Now, i'm not making excuses for our team, BUT seeing as how every one of our riders fell multiple times, i am very surprised we didn't do worse.
But i bet now you won't see cairoli or herlings come over to the US and race. THAT is a fact. They wouldn't want to run top 10 or mid pack, they'd want to be up front. Which, sadly wouldn't happen in america.
Bullshit.
Motocross is all about racing on ANY surface.
Do you think you are the only guys that dont race on sand.?
You and everyone else got beaten by a better team. Nothing more and nothing less.
It must be incredably hard getting the American ego through door ways.
Post by: _X_ on October 05, 2012, 01:27:45 AM
Post by: _X_ on October 05, 2012, 03:49:29 AM
Post by: twosmoke595 on October 05, 2012, 04:48:14 PM
i'm pissed about this two smoke post! we've seen the rdining vids he has posted ...not impressed! detract the stupid statement and save face.
sorry? but please tell me what my riding has to do with the fastest racers in the world?
i'm a firm believer of you are only as good as your last race, and yes, we got 3rd. WHICH MEANS that we (the US motocross team, not me/my friends riding for fun) are currently 3rd best in the world.
Post by: _X_ on October 05, 2012, 11:22:01 PM
Post by: citabjockey on October 06, 2012, 01:20:04 AM
Volume doesn't make it true guys.
Results are results.
Period.
That said, lay off of 2Smokes riding. I resemble those remarks! ;-)
Post by: scotty dog on October 06, 2012, 02:59:59 PM
this race was specifically designed for the US to lose. and it accomplished that.Pull your head out of your arse, it's attitudes like yours that make the rest of the world dislike america.
I being an american would've loved to see the US win again. Now, i'm not making excuses for our team, BUT seeing as how every one of our riders fell multiple times, i am very surprised we didn't do worse.
But i bet now you won't see cairoli or herlings come over to the US and race. THAT is a fact. They wouldn't want to run top 10 or mid pack, they'd want to be up front. Which, sadly wouldn't happen in america.
Couldn't agree more TotalNZ n TMKIWI
Bullshit.
Motocross is all about racing on ANY surface.
Do you think you are the only guys that dont race on sand.?
You and everyone else got beaten by a better team. Nothing more and nothing less.
It must be incredably hard getting the American ego through door ways.
Post by: cnrcpla on October 06, 2012, 10:11:37 PM
Post by: _X_ on October 07, 2012, 12:36:32 AM
Post by: nom de guerre on October 07, 2012, 01:41:58 AM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on October 07, 2012, 09:47:11 AM
BTW, Rui Gonçalves got a good start, but didn't last longer, i was happy anyway to see a portuguese guy ahead for a while, i even forgot about the economical crisis.
it's hard to beat cairoli nowadays, but all of them rode as hard as they could..
Yeah, Rui is the World Championship version of Mike Alessi. He almost always pulls great starts but fades quickly (not that Mike faded this year! Go Mikey!). What impresses me is that he is riding with a broken shoulder blade. Sure it has had about a month to heal, but Sand hurts anytime - worse when you are hurt. I think Portugal has every right to be proud of their team in 9th I am proud for them.
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Well said, Sir.
Yep.... It was a conspiracy!... Why can't people accept the fact that the U.S. had just plain lost and was not the better team that day? Bagget sucked for the second year in a row and Dungey simply didn't show up... If there is any blame to be assigned, blame it on lame azz StupidCross and the Influence it has on tracks outdoors... but, quite simply, the U.S. got beaten soundly and it was not there day... I was super stoked for the Germans....
You have a valid point. Motocross in Europe is very different than Motocross in America and it takes a bit of adjustment for World Championship riders to come to America. Look at Rocsen - the perenial 4th place rider...does the same at the MXdN. Everyone expected him to come challenge for the Championship.
I think our team did very well under the circumstances. On a very difficult and demanding surface, they held their own and managed a podium. You can't take that away from them. My point is though that we (the American Team selection committee) could have picked riders that were more apt to bring home the gold rather than our Champions from our National series that has very little in common with what we expected to see in Belgium. Besides the fast MX sand riders in our own country, we could also have selected top off-road riders who have massive experience in sand and woops...Johnny Campbell or Kendall Norman immediately come to mind.
Although the massive ego of the Americans is annoying, you can't argue with their dominance over the last generation...or two. That ego, in this case, is somewhat deserved.
Yet still annoying.
Post by: Sapper on October 09, 2012, 04:45:57 PM
Uh, when was the last time you looked at Daytona's track or Washougal?Just because we're the U.S. doesn't mean we're the greatest ever...(Except in military superiority).
Everyone raced the same track, same day. 1 winner, congrats to him.
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on October 10, 2012, 10:04:00 AM
However, you can not compare Washougal or even Daytona to Belgium (although if Daytona was 4 times longer and a bit deeper...). Daytona ,although sandy, is a Supercross track. It is not as long or as fast or as rough or as deep as Belgium. Now if you head out into the woods 10 minutes from the track, you might find similar terrain - and that is why I suggested we send Floridians!
But, the Euros WERE racing on a different track than the Americans in the sense that they do 2 or more races in that terrain every year. Their tracks everywhere are very unlike the SX influenced outdoor tracks in America. Many train or live in Belgium or Holland just to practice in that difficult situation as it makes you a better overall rider. The Italian, Anthony Carioli, lives about 30 minutes from that very track and is there regularly. Jeffrey Herlings and Jeremy van Horebeek grew up racing local and their national series in that terrain.
If you follow European MX, the race previous to the MXdN was the German round of the series and K-Roc entered in the 450 class and posted a 3-2 to Cairoli's 1-1. That shows he is fast enough in Europe but in America, although always Top five, rarely top 3. That doesn't be he sucks, it just shows the difference between what the Americans do and what the Euros do. He is young and will develope. Barring injury, I expect him to be the 450 Champion in America.
Post by: Lolerbabop on October 10, 2012, 05:01:30 PM
ANTONIO Cairoli is from sicily.
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on October 11, 2012, 09:28:27 AM
ANTONIO Cairoli is from sicily.
Sure is...but live and trains in Belgium. No big deal. It is like somebody movnig from Florida to North Carolina. Happens every day.
Post by: Super Trucker on October 14, 2012, 02:52:51 PM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on October 14, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
Very Lame track, I,ve seen beginner tracks that are more challenging, seriously. I love riding sand, but that track would put me to sleep. There was nothing on the track to separate or challenge anyone, yawn.
Seriously? Was that sarcasm? I loved it. In the beginning it was smooth but it changed every lap and got rougher and deeper. Then by the last moto it was motocross like I remember it with 2 meter deep woops and bottomless holes.
That was PAIN...the way motocross should be.
Post by: Super Trucker on October 15, 2012, 05:28:16 PM