Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: Charles Owens on May 09, 2011, 07:27:06 AM
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From Vital MX via Twitter.
"Chris Gosselaar says if he can get some help findin a two-stroke 125, he'll race it at Hangtown"
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Awesome, lets hope he gets some help and runs the 125 :) .
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I'm sure he can find a 2-stroke 125. How do we start?
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too bad they dont allow 150's I have an extra motor and would let him ride it. A 125 at Hangtown would be tough with all those hills and kind of hard packed dirt.
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actually for race day there will be a lot of loam added to the track. dirt diggers have been increasing the amount put there each year. but hard pack would help the 125 as would the shorter straights unlike a unadilla or red bud or washougal. but you are right the hills would be killer plus turns are tight. remember 04 125s with stewart and hughes up front at hangtown but then again this is goose not the ryno
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The only 125 that currently qualifies for the AMA rules is a Yamaha made in the last 2 years. And while Lil Goose is fast, I'm not sure he could make the gate.
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The RM doesn't qualify? I can understand that since they haven't been importing to the US since 2007. But I thought 2007 machines were still legal. And what about KTM? What was their last 125 they imported to the US? I'm sure that's legal. It's probably got a beast of a motor too.
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It should be legal.. If I remember correctly, last year somone attempted to qualify for a supercross event on a 2011 KTM 150sx. Bone stock motor with a pipe and came very close. It may have been Seattle or SLC.. Hmm.. So I dont see why a KTM or even a Suzuki shouldn't be legal to race.
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I'm pretty sure he could run up to 5 model years back. Any Jap or KTM 125cc only.
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This would be a perfect opportunity for two stroke motocross to have a project bike out there at the top level. It would be worth it just to get his dad Goose to do the motor and suspension. Someone needs to make this happen !!
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first there was a rider (i dont recall his name) but in 07-08 a guy got help from ktm and DID qualify on a ktm125 at seattle? for any bike to ridden in the pros it has to be no older than five years in fact someone asked in MXA if they could race a 05 yzf and were told no. an rm yz ktm or cr for that matter would still qualify. why dont pros race older bikes? simple: factory contingency only pays for the current year and the previous 2010-2011 and next year only for 2011-2012
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Somewhere on TSM there was a link to the AMA's definitive list of eligible machines. I wasn't paying attention to the lights class so much but I seem to remember only 1 year CR125, all the Yamaha YZ's, a KTM, and maybe last year's Husky - not this years. No TM. But then again, I could be thinking Premier class.
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It isn't merely about what should be legal. The bike must have been submitted by the factory and proved to be homologated. Very few, including KTM, care to bother with this. That's why you never see the occasional Euro bike like a TM or Gas Gas out there.
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Well GasGas and TM simply arent legal in pro AMA. Thats different.
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Somewhere on TSM there was a link to the AMA's definitive list of eligible machines. I wasn't paying attention to the lights class so much but I seem to remember only 1 year CR125, all the Yamaha YZ's, a KTM, and maybe last year's Husky - not this years. No TM. But then again, I could be thinking Premier class.
Sorry to open a dead thread but I finally found the link again. Follow here for future reference:
http://www.amaproracing.com//assets/AMAProApprovedMX.pdf (http://www.amaproracing.com//assets/AMAProApprovedMX.pdf)
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...and Goose has just found one, I cant wait! Check out his FB update:
Christopher Gosselaar
Had a good time riding the 125 today! No more 4strokes for me! Haha
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125 on a tiny guy like Goose is, I think he is able to do pretty well out there! Respect.
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Sweeet. I hope he goes out there and kicks some ass
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...and Goose has just found one, I cant wait! Check out his FB update:
Christopher Gosselaar
Had a good time riding the 125 today! No more 4strokes for me! Haha
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125 on a tiny guy like Goose is, I think he is able to do pretty well out there! Respect.
I found the entry list for hangtown and it has him listed on a suzuki 250f, could be a misprint i hope.
http://www.racerxonline.com/2011/05/18/hangtown-pre-entry-list-450-250-wmx- (http://www.racerxonline.com/2011/05/18/hangtown-pre-entry-list-450-250-wmx-)
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If i were him I would definitely still use a 144 kitted bike even though its against the rules. It would be impossible for the tech inspection to know without taking the motor apart. And it is really unlikely they even would unless he pulls a top 10 lol. Even if he was caught, what would the AMA do? Fines? Probation? Banned?
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Agh he said he wont do it with this 125 because its bone stock :( If he had some engine work done to it he said he'd probably do it.
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Sleeter is on the entry list, is this one of the races ktm is putting him on the 250sx for?
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If what he said in last years interview is true, then yes.
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Yes Sleeter will most probably be on a 2 Stroke. I hope...
But too bad about Goose...
I can't imagine there's nobody to hop-up that RM125 for him.
Too bad... :-\
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sleeter wouldnt make the cut on a 450 let alone a 250 someone should film practice so we can atleast see it lol
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Perhaps he has been practicing
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Hangtown is one of the races Sleeter said he would be on the SX.
He has been saying he's not happy with his riding right now though.
We'll see. :)
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Maybe it's possible for Goose's dad to fix some hop-up parts from Suzuki..
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Maybe it's possible for Goose's dad to fix some hop-up parts from Suzuki..
you would think that he could hook his kid up
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Hey guys,
He said he bought a bike, but has to take it to PC to get the motor done.
So hopefully we will see it out there in the coming weeks.
I'll keep ya posted. :)
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Awesome! Hes sounding more positive than he was before
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I am so tired of ppl saying "It needs this and that."
BS!!!!! It's a 2 stroke. granted there are quite a few things that can be done to be competitive, but build and dial in the suspension for the rider, add some good reeds, polish the ports, good pipe and a Phathead and ride the SOB. >:D
A 2 stroke is already built to race, it only needs minor refinements. A 4 stroke is a thumper, made to ride around the woods or race an average class but needs major work to to be all-out race ready. Send me a new YZ/KTM and $1,000. I guarantee the bike will make it through a race.
People are putting too much effort into prepping a 2 stroke for racing. They're fixing what ISN'T broke.
WHy is it you can take a brand new 2 stroke from showroom to track, run the living hell out of it and be fine. A 4 stroke has to have a certain amount of break-in time, oil changed after break-in peroid, etc, etc.
DUUUHHHH. IT'S A RACE MOTOR!!!! It's built this way!!! The absolute, only thing I'd change internally would be the shift drum. Many pro racers (upon my studies) like a very small Neutral detent so it isn't accidentally hit in a race.
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BS!!!!! It's a 2 stroke. granted there are quite a few things that can be done to be competitive, but build and dial in the suspension for the rider, add some good reeds, polish the ports, good pipe and a Phathead and ride the SOB. >
A 2 stroke is already built to race, it only needs minor refinements. A 4 stroke is a thumper, made to ride around the woods or race an average class but needs major work to to be all-out race ready. Send me a new YZ/KTM and $1,000. I guarantee the bike will make it through a race.
People are putting too much effort into prepping a 2 stroke for racing. They're fixing what ISN'T broke.
both motors are 'race' motors the difference is the four stroke has many more parts to be modified. susp on the pro level requires more than just a simple revalve and requires time spent to fine tune it. the motor needs exhaust and reed block bolted on but the cylinder and cases then are blueprinted ported and polished and sometimes with a different powerband than what stock has. in addition the carb is bored to complement the motor. not to mention any personal mods to accomodate rider size
the process of setting up a bike to RACE on the pro level requires a LOT of fine tuning to dial in both rider and bike. racing a 125 requires relearning how to ride one. remember when lamson rolled out at hangtown on factory125 in 07? he sucked wind. in fact he missed qual by 4 spots and only lined up due to the champion rule.
i made the switch back in 07 off a crf250 to a rm125. it took me about a month just to be quick on it and a few more months to get back into the top 5 of novice class.
dont knock goose for taking his time. hes been around in fact he was on pro cicuit in 06-07 and he was on the amsoil/geico back in 02-03 when he was on a 125 so he knows what it takes to get ready
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I am so tired of ppl saying "It needs this and that."
They're fixing what ISN'T broke.
They're trying to fix that 15 horsepower disadvantage. A stock 125 in a pro national? Its going to need ALOT
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I'm not knocking him at all. I know there's alot that can go into a race motor. Alot of racers, be it cars dirt, street bikes, karts, etc all want everything they can get. But I personally know alot of people over-compensate on stuff which actually compromises durability. I deal with it every day in my shop. And these are 800+hp racecars. But then sometimes not, $7,000 for a crankshaft is a good investment for an engine running 12,000rpm, pushing 850hp.
But all I can say is I hope they get it built and give those POS thumpers hell. What upsets me is I know KTM could have a "factory" bike that would dominate the field.
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I like your passion Sapper! And now that KTM is importing the 2012 125 there HAS to be someone out there who is going to race the beast!
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at the pro level your not worry about long durability. it needs to be durable to last through a weekend of racing. not a month or two like us common folk. in the pros the top end and clutch are rebuilt after every race
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Long durability is a catchphrase between us and pros. Yes they only need it to run a weekend or a day. But their day is like our month of riding. So they need to be built like they are to last a year. Granted, an OEM crank is ok, but to rebuild one is cheap and easy. That way you use the parts you want vs. a high dollar pro circuit. There are alot of ways to get the best parts at much more affordable prices for the privateer.
I own a speedshop which sells car, truck & bike parts. If you knew what I can get a topend for, for a 2 stroke, you'd crap yourself. The mark-up on bike parts is unreal. I have direct accounts with companies like Cometic since I often have to custom order head gaskets for alot of racecars. Basically I can buy 3 or 4 complete topend gasket sets for the cost of what the normal consumer buys 1 for.
Truthfully, I'm just tired of the capitalism that the Big 5 keep pushing. Either way, I know my 2 strokes will continue to scare the hell out of these thumpers. Especially when my son rides the 250 in lites...then you find out who the whiners are. "A 250 is a 250 is a 250!!!" That's what I say.
I just wish a manufacturer would make a 350 2 stroke for the 450 class. Think about it. If a 250 can run decently with 450s, then the extra 100cc's would push the hp level far beyond a 450's capability. Imagine what the 450 ridrs would say if the 500's were to come back and race the "Open class". The O'Show would be a happy camper.
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Sleeter qualified!!!
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Sleeter qualified!!!
Do we know for sure if he was on a two stroke or a 450.
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Not for sure, cant rely on the broadcast because it said alessi would be on 450xc
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Well if he lives up to what he says, then yes.
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sleeter was on a 350