Post by: SachsGS on December 31, 2012, 02:13:57 AM
Post by: factoryX on December 31, 2012, 03:21:32 AM
Post by: twosmoke595 on December 31, 2012, 05:47:35 AM
not the un-restored pristine new old bike. but a new out of the factory new bike
it looks pretty dang good to me, i think there would be a market for air cooled lower travel suspension 2 stroke bikes. sell them around 3k new...hmmmmmmm
Post by: motoxr377 on December 31, 2012, 06:36:31 PM
Post by: SachsGS on January 01, 2013, 04:32:50 PM
Post by: motoxr377 on January 01, 2013, 06:20:31 PM
Post by: beaner on January 01, 2013, 09:21:38 PM
Post by: twosmoke595 on January 02, 2013, 01:15:52 AM
I don't think people were buying KDX's at the end. Although they are fun, it was a dated bike with a price similar to a modern one.
in reality the kdx prices should've been around the 4k mark, not the 6-7k mark that they were at, which was basically the same as the mx bikes....BUT it was for a 10+ year dated bike lol
Post by: factoryX on January 02, 2013, 01:17:41 AM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on January 02, 2013, 11:58:29 AM
First, it was nowhere competitive with the KTM 200. Completely different bikes in the same market. To update the KDX to the levels of the KTM took all the profit out of it and priced it too high for the casual rider (who the bike was originally built for).
Second, the market was shrinking anyway. The 200 off-road class was quickly being dominated by big bore 125's. The modern suspension upgrades and more powerful motors we competitive with the KDX even before adding the 139/144 kits. With that little bit of lower and mid range boost, the KDX was nowhere in the field.
As sales slumped, there was not no reason to continue.
Finally, in keeping with the "left over parts" theme, there were less and less of those since 2-stroke improvements dwindled with the advance of the 4-stroke market.
Sad really because before the KTM200, it was a great idea (cheap bike built out of left over parts for the woods segment) that really promoted enduro type events.
Post by: rmpilot on January 02, 2013, 12:41:05 PM
it looks new whatever it is.
not the un-restored pristine new old bike. but a new out of the factory new bike
it looks pretty dang good to me, i think there would be a market for air cooled lower travel suspension 2 stroke bikes. sell them around 3k new...hmmmmmmm
cz tried it. with what looks like the same bike.
http://www.pulpmx.com/stories/look-back-old-moto-mags/gps-classic-steel/gps-classic-steel
although i really think something like a kdx 200 needs to reappear or even a xr 250 or xr 400
Post by: SachsGS on January 02, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
I was thinking more about the KDX and I don't have a single friend who still rides a Kawasaki, not one.
Post by: beaner on January 02, 2013, 10:18:33 PM
cz tried it. with what looks like the same bike.
I remember that test. Super hunky bought the bike after the test because he liked it so much.
It would be cool to see spec class racing like you see with cars. Everybody on the same cheap bike with little or no mods. A bike like that would be perfect. Too bad nobody would be interested.
Post by: SachsGS on January 03, 2013, 12:54:22 AM
Post by: beaner on January 03, 2013, 04:34:59 AM
Post by: factoryX on January 03, 2013, 09:12:33 AM
People don't want to have fun. They want to buy more bike than they can handle, mod it until it's crazy fast, then try to tame it and get frustratedAKA drag banshee's for sale on craigslist they can't afford to run
Post by: mixin gas haulin ass on March 04, 2013, 01:37:35 AM
Post by: Chad_Bakken on March 05, 2013, 03:14:07 AM
The problem with the KDX was 2 fold:
First, it was nowhere competitive with the KTM 200. Completely different bikes in the same market. To update the KDX to the levels of the KTM took all the profit out of it and priced it too high for the casual rider (who the bike was originally built for).
Second, the market was shrinking anyway. The 200 off-road class was quickly being dominated by big bore 125's. The modern suspension upgrades and more powerful motors we competitive with the KDX even before adding the 139/144 kits. With that little bit of lower and mid range boost, the KDX was nowhere in the field.
As sales slumped, there was not no reason to continue.
Finally, in keeping with the "left over parts" theme, there were less and less of those since 2-stroke improvements dwindled with the advance of the 4-stroke market.
Sad really because before the KTM200, it was a great idea (cheap bike built out of left over parts for the woods segment) that really promoted enduro type events.
I read that the US Forestry service outlawed 2t trail bikes from being imported and that was the reason they died in this country. The KTM 200 and other 200s are still allowed because they are closed competition vehicles and not trail bikes. But I don't know exactly how true that is.
Post by: riffraff on March 05, 2013, 04:42:14 AM
The problem with the KDX was 2 fold:
First, it was nowhere competitive with the KTM 200. Completely different bikes in the same market. To update the KDX to the levels of the KTM took all the profit out of it and priced it too high for the casual rider (who the bike was originally built for).
Second, the market was shrinking anyway. The 200 off-road class was quickly being dominated by big bore 125's. The modern suspension upgrades and more powerful motors we competitive with the KDX even before adding the 139/144 kits. With that little bit of lower and mid range boost, the KDX was nowhere in the field.
As sales slumped, there was not no reason to continue.
Finally, in keeping with the "left over parts" theme, there were less and less of those since 2-stroke improvements dwindled with the advance of the 4-stroke market.
Sad really because before the KTM200, it was a great idea (cheap bike built out of left over parts for the woods segment) that really promoted enduro type events.
I read that the US Forestry service outlawed 2t trail bikes from being imported and that was the reason they died in this country. The KTM 200 and other 200s are still allowed because they are closed competition vehicles and not trail bikes. But I don't know exactly how true that is.
Wrong, US Forestry Service can't ban 2t only and the BLM doesn't have a problem with them
Post by: twosmoke595 on March 07, 2013, 12:23:57 AM
X2. I've often thought of a 100cc full sized XC class, something to bring the fun back.
i want one
Post by: beaner on March 07, 2013, 02:49:29 AM
i think there would be a market for air cooled lower travel suspension 2 stroke bikes. sell them around 3k new...hmmmmmmm
I thought for sure that's what we'd see when the Chinese started building cheap bikes for this market, but it hasn't worked out that way. I'd buy one and run +50 with it. All the other old guys would be jealous