Post by: TMKIWI on June 23, 2012, 05:54:06 AM
Everytime DI or Fi are mentioned a good debate starts over the merits of both.
If a workable Fi/DI system became available in the next couple of years how many of us think that it would be a good thing.
Post by: Jeram on June 23, 2012, 10:53:34 AM
for starters the FIM and AMA would still consider them to be relevent.
but sadly if that was the case in some parallel universe, Id probably be tinkering away on rotaries instead haha.
I seem to be subconciously drawn to the 'underdog' status haha
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on June 23, 2012, 10:55:02 AM
I'm not getting my hopes up too much however as it will never make me any faster (I see performance parts as ?until I can hold my bike pinned in top gear all the way round a track, there must be more to gain in my riding than in my bikes engine? noone else ever gets that though when theyr getting beat by an enduro bike with lights when racing round a motocross track).
In conclusion if it makes smokers competitive again then it should be good but in no way am I expecting a miracle.
Post by: citabjockey on June 23, 2012, 02:57:22 PM
I think its possible that a DI system could reverse that trend if implemented correctly such that it didn't become a unreliable, poor running, pain in the rump. To have a dual sport 300 that was as clean as a 4T so the govt would leave it alone, to keep the light weight and the general power characteristics, the capability to run a 100 mile loop on a 3 gallon tank, and even get rid of jetting issues for altitude changes, would be sweet IMHO.
I am fine with a carb but the status quo is a dead end for new 2T bikes without something like this in the future.
Post by: SachsGS on June 23, 2012, 03:54:09 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on June 24, 2012, 01:55:04 AM
In life you have to move forward,you can't stay where you are,and DI is the future of the 2T gasoline engine.
Agreed. As much fun and awesomeness as a carbed 2 stroke engine is at full noise, things move on. So long as the DI/FI is FLAWLESS in that I'm not replacing chewed up injectors every five seconds or something like that and I can easily map whether I want a hard hit or linear powerband (Although I doubt its gonna get changed form hard hitting) I don't understand the debate. Everything must move forward, years ago a cam chain was made of rubber, gaskets were made of cork and if you had a radio in your car you were one badass mofo. Look at the dual rear shock on the motocrosser, its gone. Liquid cooling, hydraulic brakes and I'm sure some of you could name dozens of other things that were never on a dirt bike but are now. But again it just comes back to: If its puts fuel in your cylinder in the right stroke, retains the hard hit of a smoker (by choice), is just as reliable as a carb and easy to mess with like a carb, whats the debate about?
Post by: bearorso on June 24, 2012, 11:22:27 AM
Without DFI / other new techs, two strokes will dissapear. It's as simple as that.
With it / them, they are the most logical ICE.
I intend to keep my currently carbed 2ts forever, but I want modern, clean, efficient, Ultra tunable 2ts to add to those.
Post by: Jeram on June 24, 2012, 12:21:37 PM
I intend to keep my currently carbed 2ts forever, but I want modern, clean, efficient, Ultra tunable 2ts to add to those.
Agreed
Post by: juliend on June 24, 2012, 12:25:30 PM
Post by: scotty dog on June 24, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
Post by: cnrcpla on June 25, 2012, 03:26:22 AM
Post by: nom de guerre on June 25, 2012, 10:41:49 AM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on June 25, 2012, 12:08:15 PM
As time went on and reliability went up, cheaper and more reliable electronic versions became available until just about the whole of the auto and much of the marine industry are FI. Only the motorcycles and lawn equipment have lagged technologically speaking.
Sure the change will be painful and initially expensive but really, with the cost of fuel today, would you really rather have your '68 Dodge Van with a 360, no A/C and 6 MPG or a '12 Ford Quad Cab with every known option and 25 MPG? Increased performance, directly due to improvements in fuel delivery, allows for smaller and lighter drive trains and engines.
I hear ya...it is more complicated. There is more to go wrong. It is more subseptible to heat and vibration. However the benefits far outweigh the risks.
Post by: chump6784 on June 25, 2012, 08:11:50 PM
As for cost i dont know if it will be that much more expensive. Stihl released a power saw that is fuel injected and the price went up $150. Its a different application and probably a completely different system but still gives an idea of the extra it costs
Post by: psychward26 on June 25, 2012, 09:18:39 PM
Post by: Lolerbabop on June 25, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
Post by: riffraff on June 26, 2012, 07:08:31 AM
Flexy aluminium frames, lasting forever? Yeah right.
I believe psych meant the motors last forever, not the frames
Post by: queen of spodes on June 30, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
All of the above.
Without DFI / other new techs, two strokes will dissapear. It's as simple as that.
With it / them, they are the most logical ICE.
I intend to keep my currently carbed 2ts forever, but I want modern, clean, efficient, Ultra tunable 2ts to add to those.
The downside is cost. IF they were implemented by one of the big 5, it would still be new and would definitely drive the price of the bike up.
Certainly isn't going to drop the retail cost by a couple grand which is what would be more effective in helping get people back to the tracks.
Shame the Chinese aren't masters at something besides copying other people's tech (and often doing a poor job of it).