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Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: RM250 Evan on May 17, 2011, 04:46:19 PM

Title: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: RM250 Evan on May 17, 2011, 04:46:19 PM
http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/FIRST-LOOK-2012-KTM-TWOSTROKES-THE-125-IS-BACK-AND-7841.aspx (http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/FIRST-LOOK-2012-KTM-TWOSTROKES-THE-125-IS-BACK-AND-7841.aspx)

Surpise nobody posted this yet!

A KTM is in my future!

More..
150:
http://www.ktm.com/us/mx/150-sx.html (http://www.ktm.com/us/mx/150-sx.html)

250:
http://www.ktm.com/us/mx/250-sx.html (http://www.ktm.com/us/mx/250-sx.html)

Awesome!
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: factoryX on May 17, 2011, 04:51:38 PM
Very cool! :P
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: RM250 Evan on May 17, 2011, 04:56:46 PM
Its only .9 kgs heavier from 2011...not bad!
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: DESERTFOX19 on May 17, 2011, 06:18:42 PM
I posted that link on Honda's Facebook page.

I think Honda need's to read this.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: ACMX on May 17, 2011, 09:58:27 PM
My eyes just fainted. Dude that (150SX) is one of the most BA bikes ever created. I need one.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: MXLord327 on May 18, 2011, 06:52:02 AM
Drool, drool, slobber, slobber!!!  Those things look so damn good!!
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: yo_marc on May 18, 2011, 07:08:17 AM
I knew I shouldn't have clicked those links....  :o

Those bikes are beautiful.  Major props to KTM for their two-stroke program.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: SachsGS on May 18, 2011, 07:48:12 AM
Anybody know how KTM sales figures compare to the Japanese big 4?
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: ktm150rippa on May 18, 2011, 08:22:27 AM
when I mentioned to my local dealer "hey I heard ktm took suzuki's spot in the big 4" He said huh they beat everyone in sales last year except honda. So apparently ktm was second in motorcycle sales in 2010 only to honda
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: ACMX on May 18, 2011, 09:18:13 AM
MXA said the KTM two stroke sales were higher than some of the Japanese manufacturers overall motocross sales.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: Chris2T on May 19, 2011, 06:13:25 AM

i think it's very significant that they put the 2 strokes on equal footing (frame-wise) with their 4 strokes. who knows, it may signal a shift in their corporate strategy.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: chump6784 on May 19, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
i think they have just finally bowed to public pressure and put it on. for a bike that is designed for mx/sx it needed it anyway.

ktm are very good at giving the consumer what they want. for many years there has been the debate of linkage vs non linkage. now that reason is gone and there is no reason for anyone not to consider ktm 
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: factoryX on May 21, 2011, 12:02:11 AM
Apparently 250xc models also have linkage!
(http://i54.tinypic.com/rhkhsm.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: Coop on May 21, 2011, 05:41:58 AM
I haven't spent a lot on time on them and I don't race MX, but I may be one of the few who actually like the PDS.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: rookie on May 21, 2011, 06:21:21 AM
i don't mind the linkage on the XC

yeah!!

 :D
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: SachsGS on May 21, 2011, 06:46:23 AM
This whole linkage thing could be a marketing ploy as well,I mean how do you get customers off their PDS KTMs and back in the showrooms to buy new bikes?The PDS system had many advantages:cheaper to manufacture,lighter and simpler frame,straight intake tract to the carb,no linkage hanging down to name a few.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: msmola2002 on May 21, 2011, 09:50:04 AM
And by having every frame set up the same the KTM parts bin just got smaller saving them money? May be more complex but they only need to get one kind of setup made.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: SachsGS on May 21, 2011, 02:23:30 PM
I wasn't a great fan of the PDS system.

You have to wonder what discussions are going on in the Japanese bike manufacturer boardrooms given the success of the KTM 2Ts.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: RM250 Evan on May 21, 2011, 05:25:19 PM
And by having every frame set up the same the KTM parts bin just got smaller saving them money? May be more complex but they only need to get one kind of setup made.

Nope all offroad KTM's 2t or 4t will be no linkage.

Only SX will get the linkage and that is the way it should always be.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: factoryX on May 21, 2011, 05:37:54 PM
did you look at the pic I posted on page 1?  :P

(http://i54.tinypic.com/rhkhsm.jpg)
You can clearly see 250 XC by the seat.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: maicoman009 on May 21, 2011, 07:30:17 PM
I haven't spent a lot on time on them and I don't race MX, but I may be one of the few who actually like the PDS.
Me to Coop,the pds works great for me but I guess KTM is giving most of it's customers what they want.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: TotalNZ on May 21, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
I haven't spent a lot on time on them and I don't race MX, but I may be one of the few who actually like the PDS.
Me to Coop,the pds works great for me but I guess KTM is giving most of it's customers what they want.
depends on what you're asking of it i suppose. The test would be to have a ride on a new model and see if you like the action better.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: miedosoracing on May 22, 2011, 06:40:27 AM
And by having every frame set up the same the KTM parts bin just got smaller saving them money? May be more complex but they only need to get one kind of setup made.

Nope all offroad KTM's 2t or 4t will be no linkage.

Only SX will get the linkage and that is the way it should always be.

The only without linkage 2012 KTMs will be the XCW and EXC models. The XC's will have linkage. 
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: graham472 on May 22, 2011, 07:11:12 PM
PDS seemed to work everywhere else but the US.
One of the highlights of owning a KTM was not greasing
and replacing linkage bearings
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: coblefutch on May 23, 2011, 02:38:58 AM

You have to wonder what discussions are going on in the Japanese bike manufacturer boardrooms given the success of the KTM 2Ts.
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I would think it would be a no brainer to put a larger tank, flywheel wt, wide ratio tranny, 18 inch rear wheel, softer springs on one of their existing 2t bikes (yz,rm,kx) with no other changes and try and market it to the off road crowd. easy money.
Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: yo_marc on May 23, 2011, 07:22:34 AM
I may be in the market for a KTM soon..

What are the advantages / disadvantages to running a linkage vs... not?

Title: Re: 2012 KTM's Linkage!!!
Post by: ktm150rippa on May 23, 2011, 09:40:04 AM
I may be in the market for a KTM soon..

What are the advantages / disadvantages to running a linkage vs... not?



riding supercross is the only place i've heard it makes a diff. Thats straight from the mouth of the guy from pro-action suspension