Two Stroke Motocross
Two Stroke Motocross Forum => Photos & Videos => Topic started by: Out of Order on December 24, 2009, 08:13:23 PM
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(http://www.superracekart.info/images/ulli2%20600.jpg)
Would a TZ250 engine be legal in a YZ250 frame? Would you ride it?
It would be cool if someone stuffed one in a YZ250 though.
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I think it would be officially kick-ass! I've always liked the idea of making two-strokes go multicylinder. My dream is to one-day see a high performance car being powered by a 2T V8. Preferably with a Dodge logo on the hood. :P
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Here ya go, a 2 stroke V8 in a sand car.
2 Stroke V8 in a Sand Car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRKeuHyI0lw#) hope link works.
It's a Evinrude 3.6L V8.
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Or click the link for pics of the Yamaha RD05 road racer. It's a V4 250cc engine with rotary induction.
http://www.classicyams.com/race-bikes/early-factory-racers/yamaha-rd05/a-250-cc.html (http://www.classicyams.com/race-bikes/early-factory-racers/yamaha-rd05/a-250-cc.html)
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I've seen that Sand-car many a time. I'm still looking forward to a major auto manufacturer putting forward a serious car with a 2T under the hood.
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Maybe an AMERICAN car company will get it's head out of it's arse and build a two-stroke car. But first they have to get through emissions testing.
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Well, the snowmobile and outboard people are showing that it can indeed be done. I'm just waiting for someone to apply that technology to the car world, just as that sand-car was using an Evinrude motor.
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Yes and if I had the money I would start building cars, trucks, motorcycles,and powersports. Then my final goal would be to just beat Honda at there own game using two strokes. But only if I had money.
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I remember seeing European 2 cylinder 250cc 2 stroke works bikes at the Unadilla USGP in the early '80's, but I don't remember what brand they were, maybe Aprilia or Puch. They were in-line 2 cylinders, not v-twins, obviously hand-built, and sounded unbelievable on the track! I would have loved to have ridden one....
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I would say someone should bring the multi cylinders back!! Maybe a 125 twin from an old Yamaha in a dirt bike frame. Hell they had a TZ750 stuffed in a dirt tracker frame and raced by Kenny Roberts, so anything is possible.
But can anyone be able to ride one, most likely not. These engines produce a lot of power at the top and little at the bottom.
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JETZcorp here is your two stroke mopar:
http://www.allpar.com/neon/stroke.html (http://www.allpar.com/neon/stroke.html)
:)
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(http://www.superracekart.info/images/ulli2%20600.jpg)
Would a TZ250 engine be legal in a YZ250 frame? Would you ride it?
It would be cool if someone stuffed one in a YZ250 though.
(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6320/dcp0139.jpg) (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/dcp0139.jpg/)
Somebody in Germany is racing this 250 twin ADLER with very good results,but he admits that it took him a long time to get used to the uprupt powerband.
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Here's one Honda raced in the early '80s, O'mara I beleive.
Work of art that front end.
http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/honda_rc125m.jpg (http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/honda_rc125m.jpg)
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Here's one Honda raced in the early '80s, O'mara I beleive.
Work of art that front end.
http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/honda_rc125m.jpg (http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/honda_rc125m.jpg)
I think it was Roger de Coster.It was a interesting project by Honda just like the OVAL piston.But it never came trough.
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Well, the snowmobile and outboard people are showing that it can indeed be done. I'm just waiting for someone to apply that technology to the car world, just as that sand-car was using an Evinrude motor.
My feeling is that the direct-injected 2 stroke would show up on a super-car before a mass produced economy car, for several reasons. First I can't imagine the general public ever buying into adding oil every month or so, but a quirky super-car has all kinds of inconveniences that its owner must deal with. The expansion chambers present a challenge that would probably best be solved with a rear engine design. And lastly, the high performance and light weight that a multi cylinder big-bore 2 stroke could offer is perfect to compete with Ferrari's, Porsches and Lambo's
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First I can't imagine the general public ever buying into adding oil every month or so,
I'd like to say that on cars you have to change the motor oil every 3000 miles or 3 months. And that can be anywhere from 3 to 8 quarts of oil. Cars also have gearboxes which require oil too. A 2 stroke or wankel engine require the smallest amount of oil to keep the engine cool and lubed. Also, if a dealer changes your oil out of a GTO (7-8 quart system) that oil will most likely be saved to be burnt in a heater. At least up north.
This is a Skidoo with the 600cc E-tec engine.
Model Name: 2009 MXZ TNT 600 E-tec (non-electric start)
Model #: MJ9A
MSRP: $9549
Ship Date: scheduled to arrive last week of January.
Fuel Economy: At 21 mpg US/25 mpg CDN, the 600 H.O. E-TEC uses 15% less fuel than the companyâ??s current 600 H.O. semi-direct injection (SDI) engine, 78% less fuel than the Polarisâ?¡ 600 CFI and 92% less than the Arctic Catâ?¡ 600 EFI.*
Oil Economy: Most owners will have to add oil just once per season, due to the added precision of the systemâ??s electronic oil pump and sophisticated computer mapping. The 600 H.O. E-TEC uses half the oil of the SDI and Polaris 600 CFI, and just a third the oil (66% less) of the Arctic Cat 600 EFI. (There will be a new Di oil for this sled â?? each dealer will be auto-shipped 1 case soon)
Emissions / smoke and smell: The 600 H.O. E-TEC is the cleanest two-stroke snowmobile engine by a wide margin, meaning thereâ??s virtually no smoke or smell.
Lightweight: Because of its two-stroke configuration, the 600 H.O. E-TEC is naturally lightweight, helping to improve handling and reduce rider fatigue. The MX Z TNT with 600 H.O. E-TEC weighs just 415 pounds (188 kg)â?¦.still at least 50lbs lighter than the competition!
Hassle-free ownership experience: Engines with E-TEC start on the first pull every time; run with a super smooth idle and instant response; the platinum-tipped spark plugs are warranted for three years; and features an automatic summerization function (automatic cylinder foggingâ?¦2min, and its doneâ?¦all at the click of a button!)
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Oil injection always requires less oil than premix and in many ways is vastly superior to premixing. If a car were built using a 2 stroke, I'm pretty sure oil injection would be used instead of premix. So then you just one more fluid reservoir to fill - just like wiper fluid, brake fluid, tranny fluid, differential gear oil, engine oil, gas, etc...
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Oil injection always requires less oil than premix and in many ways is vastly superior to premixing. If a car were built using a 2 stroke, I'm pretty sure oil injection would be used instead of premix. So then you just one more fluid reservoir to fill - just like wiper fluid, brake fluid, tranny fluid, differential gear oil, engine oil, gas, etc...
Why are you using less oil in a oil injection system???
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Let me first say that this is oil injection (an old precise method of getting oil to the main bearings) I'm talking about and not direct injection. Oil injection systems inject oil directly to the main bearings bypassing the need to mix the oil with fuel. They get what they need and that's it. All the old 2 strokes used to be oil injection and though it's been a long time, so I can't quote any sites for info, I believe I recall the more precise oil injection used less oil in comparison to premix. Premix was another fad that came along, I don't believe it actually has any true benefit but marketing has a tendency to lead the way. Granted I may have some of my facts wrong, so I would welcome any corrections. But then I look at it this way, even if the same amount of oil is required with oil injection you still have a non-diluted oil reaching the bearings and for the purpose of use in an automobile it sure would be a lot simpler for the end consumer to just fill a container of oil vs. trying to determine a proper ratio of premix in their 25 gallon tank that they just wanted to top off. But it would be fun to shake your car each time you add oil, lol.
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Here's some info, albeit basic, from Rotax on 2 stroke aircraft engines.
http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_oil_injection.htm (http://www.rotaxservice.com/rotax_tips/rotax_oil_injection.htm)
I think it would be interesting to see what is written on the topic that is not just conjecture & opinion as I see a lot of people who prefer to convert their oil injection systems to premix. But then again, I think marketing has a lot to do with as it does with the latest 4 strokes are better crap. I mean who wants to do oil injection when the top race MX bikes are premix. Then again I think (opinion & conjecture coming) steel frames are superior to alloy frames and I think 2 strokes are superior to 4 strokes and I think oil injection is superior to premix.
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some other dual cylinder motocross
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4905/cz429a.th.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/cz429a.jpg/)
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/2937/cz429b.th.jpg) (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/cz429b.jpg/)
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8571/rotaxv256engine2.th.jpg) (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/rotaxv256engine2.jpg/)
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I love the little CZ 125 engine, that would make a good road racer if it was legal to use in 125GP. The rotax 250 on the other hand was not my favorite at all. I just don't like the design for some odd reason. I know the first rotax 250's had cooling and detonation issues, because of how the cooling system was run through the engine. That CZ on the other hand, I don't know much about.