Post by: scooter042 on June 11, 2012, 06:03:23 PM
Link to Vital thread.
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/125-2-stroke-Renner-RedBUUUUD-Official-support-thread,1239855
I HOPE he can make the motos. We will be there this time. I didnt go to Daytona or N.O.. It would be awesome to see him go by on the 125 pinnnned. I am sending a couple of bucks for sure.
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on June 13, 2012, 09:22:35 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on June 13, 2012, 09:33:15 AM
But back on topic, I'd love to support him. I'd love to see the look on a couple of 250F's faces as it zings and rings its way to the finish line. Best I can do for him is well wishes. Hey does anyone know why he doesn't want to run the 250? I'm behind on my rules are you allowed to run a 250 smoker in the 125 class in a professional race?
Post by: MXLord327 on June 13, 2012, 02:34:53 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on June 14, 2012, 08:42:16 AM
Imagine someone bust a massive whip as they sail over the chequred (gone blank, can't remember how to spell it). Imagine all the four stroke die hards in the crowd shaking their heads in disbelief.
I hope I live to see the day.
Post by: cnrcpla on June 18, 2012, 05:22:25 AM
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they might as well ban them outright.Shhhhh... I wouldn't put it past anyone at this point...
Post by: citabjockey on July 02, 2012, 09:42:43 PM
Post by: monsteryz125 on July 06, 2012, 04:28:02 PM
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Post by: chump6784 on July 06, 2012, 07:04:45 PM
Post by: monsteryz125 on July 06, 2012, 07:22:01 PM
Post by: chump6784 on July 07, 2012, 04:45:21 AM
Post by: twosmoke595 on July 07, 2012, 04:49:32 AM
Post by: snook620 on July 07, 2012, 05:07:46 AM
Post by: nom de guerre on July 07, 2012, 05:50:32 PM
Post by: monsteryz125 on July 07, 2012, 06:16:54 PM
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Post by: Swimr2DaResQ on July 08, 2012, 01:10:36 AM
Post by: Cheb44 on July 08, 2012, 04:19:06 PM
A full factory YZ125 would cost Yamaha half of what it takes to support a YZ250F for a full season! Look at what Roczen did on a factory KTM 125SX last year after he wrapped up the MX2 championship, in one race he rode the screamer to a fifth place finish and looked smooth and comfortable! Two strokes continue to dominate the off-road world. Look at the top guys racing GNCC, Hare Scrambles, etc... all on two strokes!!! MX needs two strokes, give Privateers a chance to be competitive without going bankrupt on overpriced, overweight, ticking time bombs! AMA/FIM governing bodies need to pull their heads out of their rears and wake up, equal displacement would not mean the death of four strokes, only full gates at races. Privateers would be competitive, different conditions would favor different bikes (ie..2T vs. 4T), it would really revive the off-road and MX motorcycle market, and encourage forward thinking in terms of design an innovation amongst manufacturers!
AMEN to that.
Post by: Super Trucker on July 08, 2012, 04:50:08 PM
. Sounds like the crowd was louder for ya than a des nations or national winner. That,s what riding is all about, riding a super fun 125, but at a national that,s HUGE. Easily this is the biggest thing to happen in mx, in a long time. I bet 7,000 people at REDBUD are looking for a 125 today 
. Renner tearing the track up, is permently burned into there memory. Too bad the extreme heat moved out, when the heat index was over 100, a top 20 would be possible from a Florida rider. A 31st is still a great ride tho.
Post by: factoryX on July 08, 2012, 08:09:04 PM
Post by: cnrcpla on July 08, 2012, 08:21:55 PM
Post by: downonmonday on July 08, 2012, 09:31:34 PM
Post by: Stusmoke on July 09, 2012, 07:51:50 AM
A full factory YZ125 would cost Yamaha half of what it takes to support a YZ250F for a full season! Look at what Roczen did on a factory KTM 125SX last year after he wrapped up the MX2 championship, in one race he rode the screamer to a fifth place finish and looked smooth and comfortable! Two strokes continue to dominate the off-road world. Look at the top guys racing GNCC, Hare Scrambles, etc... all on two strokes!!! MX needs two strokes, give Privateers a chance to be competitive without going bankrupt on overpriced, overweight, ticking time bombs! AMA/FIM governing bodies need to pull their heads out of their rears and wake up, equal displacement would not mean the death of four strokes, only full gates at races. Privateers would be competitive, different conditions would favor different bikes (ie..2T vs. 4T), it would really revive the off-road and MX motorcycle market, and encourage forward thinking in terms of design an innovation amongst manufacturers!
AMEN to that.
X2 and well said. Completely true aswell. Pro riders can ride their foopers all they want but for the love of god let a privateer race the 125. What are they gonna do? No matter how good they were, they can't win a race. Disagree? Pro riders are the best known to the world AND they would have the advantage of horsepower, easier riding and a track tailored to their riding style. Stacked up against a bloke paying for it out of his own bank on a machine thats harder to ride, slower for what its worth and on a track they can't exploit. All its doing is giving the privateers a fair go. All of the above was talking about PRO AMA racing in case you didn't get that.
Oh yeah I forgot... AMA doesn't give a s***. Sad isn't it? Sad but at the same time amusing that the big players are so terrified of all their bribes and fooper troopers going to waste in one race where the two stroke wins out.
Even with him not taking it really seriously, he stilled managed to pull 34th overall, on a practically stock bike. I don't get it..
Kids got talent I tell you. No two ways about it.
Maybe he should start taking it seriously
If he started placing higher he would probably get an offer of a minor sponsorship or something. Man that would be super.
Post by: factoryX on July 09, 2012, 08:07:07 AM
^Exactly...Maybe he should start taking it seriously
If he started placing higher he would probably get an offer of a minor sponsorship or something. Man that would be super.
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on July 09, 2012, 09:54:41 AM
Europe hosts the "World Championship" but it also has it's own "European" Championship. In it, they have a 125 2T, a 250F and a 450F class. I think you have to be under 24 to ride the 125.
Post by: factoryX on July 09, 2012, 10:16:38 AM
Post by: Stusmoke on July 09, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
But it begs the question: What if honda sold 1000 CRF250s/450s world wide in a whole year but KTMs sales figures for the 125/250SX was massive? if It happened twice in a row honda would hit hte drawing board so fast they'd go bankrupt from purchasing new whiteboard markers.
The big guys don't care what we want, they're loyal to their next Christmas bonus and thats about it.
But WOW has this gotten off topic, good on you Renner.
You realize that if a 2 stroke started doing well, they would eliminate its eligability from the class, don't you? As long as the 2T's stay out of the top 15, we will be "allowed" to participate. As soon as we start doing well, it will become a 4-stroke only class - like in Europe.
Europe hosts the "World Championship" but it also has it's own "European" Championship. In it, they have a 125 2T, a 250F and a 450F class. I think you have to be under 24 to ride the 125.
Sucks doesn't it?
Post by: gpnewhouse7 on July 09, 2012, 09:06:49 PM
Look at what Roczen did on a factory KTM 125SX last year after he wrapped up the MX2 championship, in one race he rode the screamer to a fifth place finish and looked smooth and comfortable!
He did get his butt kicked by four guys he usually smoked on the 250f though! That just shows how stupid the rules are doesn't it when a FACTORY 125 can't even match the pace of the 250f`s. Hats off to Renner and Roczen though for giving these little bikes another try but under the current bullshit a 125 won't be taking the top step of any podium in either the World MX2 or the American Nationals/Supercross. Sad but true.
Post by: factoryX on July 09, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
Post by: Kurtis on July 10, 2012, 02:09:09 AM
Post by: twosmoke595 on July 10, 2012, 03:10:14 AM
That extra hp does indeed help, and the factory 250's are pushing 42-44hp. At that point its shock that the 125 made it at all.
i would not be surprised if they were nearer to 50
Post by: chump6784 on July 10, 2012, 04:05:58 AM
2012 kxf250 makes pretty much 40 hp stock. MXA did an article where they took a crf 250 and put an exhaust, cams and computer on it and got nearly 4 hp more out of it iirc. So there you are looking at 43 to 44. I have seen dyno graphs of a 250f with a flowed head getting 2 hp increase, also race gas gives 1-2 hp increase. With those mods you are looking at around 48 hp.That extra hp does indeed help, and the factory 250's are pushing 42-44hp. At that point its shock that the 125 made it at all.
i would not be surprised if they were nearer to 50
Not bad figures when you consider all that power gets put to the ground and is easy to control. Now ama, tell me how it is unfair to race cc vs cc. We are not talking Honda XR's anymore.
In topic, well done Ricky, I was glued to my computer screen trying to get some smoker action
Post by: twosmoke595 on July 10, 2012, 04:30:28 AM
2012 kxf250 makes pretty much 40 hp stock. MXA did an article where they took a crf 250 and put an exhaust, cams and computer on it and got nearly 4 hp more out of it iirc. So there you are looking at 43 to 44. I have seen dyno graphs of a 250f with a flowed head getting 2 hp increase, also race gas gives 1-2 hp increase. With those mods you are looking at around 48 hp.That extra hp does indeed help, and the factory 250's are pushing 42-44hp. At that point its shock that the 125 made it at all.
i would not be surprised if they were nearer to 50
Not bad figures when you consider all that power gets put to the ground and is easy to control. Now ama, tell me how it is unfair to race cc vs cc. We are not talking Honda XR's anymore.
In topic, well done Ricky, I was glued to my computer screen trying to get some smoker action
because with a 250 2 stroke you can make them near 60 hp and up, THAT"S why they dont like it lol
Post by: factoryX on July 10, 2012, 04:40:56 AM
Post by: factoryX on July 10, 2012, 04:46:04 AM
That extra hp does indeed help, and the factory 250's are pushing 42-44hp. At that point its shock that the 125 made it at all.
i would not be surprised if they were nearer to 50
No replacement for displacement. Those 250's are running 76-78mm bores(yz125 54mm, yz250 66.4mm)...
Post by: Stusmoke on July 10, 2012, 11:10:58 AM
Post by: ringadingding on July 10, 2012, 11:59:24 AM
Anyone know what the late cult of factory 125 mxers made? Stewerts or Carmichaels? It'd be interesting to see how they stack up.
Exactly what i was thinking, but even if the HP is close can you imagine the power curve on a 125 with 40ish hp
would be kinda deadly, even for a pro 
Post by: lauterbacher on July 10, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on July 10, 2012, 05:33:28 PM
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Anyone know what the late cult of factory 125 mxers made? Stewerts or Carmichaels? It'd be interesting to see how they stack up.
RC or JS factory bikes are not the ones to look at. Look to Europe, who never had a "production" rule. I bet there were some trick machines in the end...
Post by: monsteryz125 on July 10, 2012, 10:36:34 PM
That extra hp does indeed help, and the factory 250's are pushing 42-44hp. At that point its shock that the 125 made it at all.
i would not be surprised if they were nearer to 50
No replacement for displacement. Those 250's are running 76-78mm bores(yz125 54mm, yz250 66.4mm)...
Displacement is determined by bore and stroke not just bore
Post by: nom de guerre on July 10, 2012, 10:56:28 PM
Post by: snook620 on July 11, 2012, 02:31:50 AM
Anyone know what the late cult of factory 125 mxers made? Stewerts or Carmichaels? It'd be interesting to see how they stack up.
Id say 36-38hp. Baggett jumping the leap this weekend really shows how much power PC is getting out of those 250f's, Im sure the 125's of the time were just as impressive.
Post by: Super Trucker on July 11, 2012, 04:44:12 AM
. That,s what it,s all about, having a awesome time riding your 125. He must have blew the minds on the 1st time national spectaters, pure excitement. Thx Ricky. A stock KTM used to make 38 hp, a cr is just under 35 stock, a YZ is about the same. More important than hp, is that the factory riders get exactly what powerband they want. A 125 with porting, ignition, pipe and silencer, borred carb can make 40 hp running on leaded race fuel.
Post by: Stusmoke on July 11, 2012, 08:40:26 AM
In the race I heard Renner was whipping it and fist pumping it over all the jumps
Thats what I thought too. At least. God knows what they do to their bikes when they're putting the engine together. Considering the 250 factory bikes could make 62 horsepower (heard it on here somewhere) I'd say 40 HP for a 125 is not a push.
Hey does anyone else notice that when the 250F or 450 shootout time roles around no fewer then one of the bikes have bad or not so good handling? How many 125s/250s did? Honestly in those later shootouts when did they ever say the KX has heavy handling or jerky handling? Yet here kawasaki is with handling issues having plagued their line of 250Fs and 450s since their introduction. Way to go:P
Post by: Critta on October 28, 2012, 11:08:18 AM