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Two Stroke Motocross Forum => General Two Stroke Talk => Topic started by: mxracer239 on February 18, 2013, 11:14:29 PM

Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: mxracer239 on February 18, 2013, 11:14:29 PM
I saw on vital mx (transworld motocross) asked some riders what they wld change an stewart was like bring 2 strokes back lol
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: _X_ on February 19, 2013, 01:59:47 AM
stewy knows whats up.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: JRod4928 on February 19, 2013, 12:24:36 PM
Where's this at? Can't find it.

all i could find is when he said his 250 just 'doesn't have it, you know?' in 2010 after a few local pro's almost passed him on a 450.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: mxracer239 on February 19, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
its on page 3 in moto related forum. tranworld video (riders want change)
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: beaner on February 19, 2013, 01:52:42 PM
I remember having a similar discussion with my friends a few years ago. They ridiculed me because I said the 2 stroke would make a comeback in a few years. They told me it was dead, and they knew for sure because Stewart said the 2 stroke is dead and will never come back.  ;D
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: kim wedding on February 19, 2013, 06:31:48 PM
I wish some pro rider like bubba would ride a 2s in the displacement rule's and show just where the bike's stand and then pick a displacement that's fair. If the a.m.a. stick's their nose in.Pull out of all their race's and start a grass roots effort. I know if some great rider's started racing 2s people would come to watch them ride. I know i would before i would watch a a.m.a. race. Did'nt the few 2s race's last year have great turn out's in both rider's as well as spectator's.

Me personally i would love to be bubba back on a 125 and seeing just how many rider's would want to race me on the bike i ride best and see how many spectator's want to see me rip on the 125...Now if bubba's got the stone's to step up is another question???
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: twosmoke595 on February 19, 2013, 08:41:38 PM
there is already a thread about this in the "pics and videos" section

under

TMX: what would you change about motocross
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: msambuco on February 20, 2013, 12:05:09 AM
Start a thread in every section. A factory rider finally said point blank "BRING BACK THE 2 STROKES"!!! No beating around the bush. No saying 2 strokes are "fun" to ride. He said BRING THEM BACK. And he's paid to say 4 strokes are the best. Maybe he realized he has enough money and his name is big enough to just go ahead and say it. KTM 250SX next year?
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Critta on February 20, 2013, 09:02:28 AM
link someone please?
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: _X_ on February 20, 2013, 10:57:02 AM
http://motocross.transworld.net/1000143726/videos/if-you-could-change-one-thing-about-mx/
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: bearorso on February 20, 2013, 03:08:18 PM
He even sounded sincere about it.

The best response was Nic Weys.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: EJ on February 20, 2013, 08:27:15 PM
I was hoping Andrew Short was about to tell a 2-stroke tale too... But he stayed safe... ::)
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: scotty dog on February 20, 2013, 09:15:18 PM
Quote from: EJ on February 21, 2013, 04:27:15 AM
I was hoping Andrew Short was about to tell a 2-stroke tale too... But he stayed safe... ::)
hehe ;D probly didnt wanna end up on his own again :(
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Sapper on February 20, 2013, 09:26:45 PM
I think it's the riders who ahve ridden 2 strokes are getting older and wiser that realize the 2 strokes are just plain FUN to ride.

Now as far as Kim's post about the 125 (nothing personal). I really can't see any of them riding a 125 because there just isn't enough power to really give them a rush. They would literally twist the grip off or break the cable trying to go faster. But a 250 would be enough for them to have fun and a well built 250 would provide more than enough for them to compete with a 4T.

Besides, it's more fun to be wide open, ripping than lugging up through the powerband.

IMHO, screw thumpers. They make you lazy.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: msambuco on February 20, 2013, 09:38:32 PM
I don't think Stewart wants one for fun. I think he believes he would be faster on one. His style is to make the bike do whatever he wants.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: citabjockey on February 20, 2013, 10:12:32 PM
Quote from: Sapper on February 21, 2013, 05:26:45 AM
a 250 would be enough for them to have fun and a well built 250 would provide more than enough for them to compete with a 4T.

Why stop there? 400+ cc 2T would provide MUCH more than enough!
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Stusmoke on February 20, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
When stewart was on smokers, his style was pretty much what I am now: get angry at the track and try to hurt the dirt, the corners and the jumps. He liked to hurl his bike into ruts and leave it pinned in the deep ones. Trying to ride like I do now on my neighbours 07 CRF250R gives me a faceful of dirt. He was so much better on two strokes.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Jeram on February 21, 2013, 01:17:45 AM
WHat I dont understand is that someone like that would have enough money to build a competitive 250 2T, and would have the connections to get sponsorship for it.

It wouldnt be hard to do so if he was a man of his convictions?
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Stusmoke on February 21, 2013, 11:01:44 AM
Quote from: Jeram on February 21, 2013, 09:17:45 AM
WHat I dont understand is that someone like that would have enough money to build a competitive 250 2T, and would have the connections to get sponsorship for it.

It wouldnt be hard to do so if he was a man of his convictions?

You've got a point. But my guess would be that his take on it is: Why spend millions funding a two stroke team when I can EARN millions riding for a four stroke team?
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: VintageBlueSmoke on February 21, 2013, 11:48:20 AM
Stewey must be considering retirement. It seems like all the guys retiring or recently retired say that.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Critta on February 21, 2013, 01:02:01 PM
am i the only one who thinks justin barica is a gaint douche?
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: kim wedding on February 21, 2013, 03:19:23 PM
Sapper i don't get it when someone knock's 125. You see more guy's dragging their bar's in tight turn's on 125's than any other bike (2s or 4$). As far as power goes i've rode all kind's of bike's in a wide range of displacement and alway's come back to 125's. I don't need a over powered bike. If you want to improve you're bike skill's get a 125. Ever heard that said before?????

125's are the most aggressive racing machine's man has made and most people who don't like them even if they ride bigger size 2s don't like the all out aggression it take's to ride a 125. I love riding at 100% knowing if i don't give it my all i'm just a obstacle on the track. Most people can't handle the power of a 250 2s let alone a 500 2s.

One more thought all the people who ride those little 4$(honda 50's made to fit adult's) love riding them and how much power are they making???   KIM
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Lolerbabop on February 21, 2013, 04:07:54 PM
2 strokes sucks.... Gas.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Sapper on February 21, 2013, 08:56:24 PM
Yes, 125's are fun. But even me, who don't ride much anymore, I just watch the kids go round and round. But when I do, a 125 just doesn't have it for me & I don't even jump anymore. Granted I love riding ours and it's a blast. But the 250 just gives the feel of raw, arm pumping, neck-snapping, seat-of-the-pants feel vs a 125. But my son is the same way. He loves riding the 125 to play on because it feels 100lbs lighter and he can really rip on it. But in a race, he wants the 250. He doesn't have to rely on sweeping a turn perfect and full bore to keep up his speed to pass someone. He can take the inside and have the power rip out of it. That's where the 4T 250 has the major advantage & why it's BS to put 125's against them in lites and say they're comparable. Like I keep saying, A 250 is a 250 is a 250. I also don't believe the CRF150 should be allowed in the mini or supermini classes.

It's like driving my truck then getting in my wifes DD. Her little 4 banger just doesn't have it. Until I get her other car done. 450hp is gonna be nice  :D
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: kim wedding on February 21, 2013, 09:58:12 PM
Sapper you're right about it not being fair 125 2s against 250 4$. Nothing i love more than putting it to a 4$. Those 4$ guy's act like it's fair when they beat you but as soon as a 125 2s beat's them you can see the disbelief in their eye's.

450 horsepower sound's like alot of ticket's in you're future.haha If i could have a hot rod it would be a ariel atom' Alot of bang for the buck and street legal. Stay safe out there and when you can ride that 125, keep's you young.  KIM
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Stusmoke on February 21, 2013, 10:23:31 PM
As someone who rides a busted arse barely functional 2001 honda CR125 against 250Fs, 250s, 125s and 150s, I agree with sapper. My bike has sod all motor. In a 125 only class, I wouldn't whinge at all. It tracks great through the ruts and corners and its light. But against 250Fs, 250s and 150s, I can rail the outside line all I want but they pass my on the straights and gain ground. But fun like nothing else :D
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: kim wedding on February 21, 2013, 10:43:54 PM
I hate how 4$ destroy 2s line's and i think each bike deserve's it's own class. I go even farther let 2s have their track's and 4$ have their's and never the two shall meet. 2s use to rule big berm's and tight inside line's now you have to run outside line's because of the 4$. On a bike with half the displacement having to go the long way around. All 4$ did was add to the cost of what use to be the cheapest form of motorized racing. I also heard 4$ rider's are a major market for viagra. Suck's to be a 4$ rider riding a crap bike during the day with a limp noodle at night and not having the sense to get a 2s. KIM
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: Stusmoke on February 22, 2013, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: kim wedding on February 22, 2013, 06:43:54 AM
I hate how 4$ destroy 2s line's and i think each bike deserve's it's own class. I go even farther let 2s have their track's and 4$ have their's and never the two shall meet. 2s use to rule big berm's and tight inside line's now you have to run outside line's because of the 4$. On a bike with half the displacement having to go the long way around. All 4$ did was add to the cost of what use to be the cheapest form of motorized racing. I also heard 4$ rider's are a major market for viagra. Suck's to be a 4$ rider riding a crap bike during the day with a limp noodle at night and not having the sense to get a 2s. KIM

I don't find they destroy my lines, they make them better. Why? Ruts. When their heavy, gyroing engine forces them to go slower through the ruts, I blow by them singing at 12 grand pinned and dragging bar. Their extra torque and horsepower digs its own grave in the ruts, and it literally digs :D

Of course for less experienced riders. Blokes that ride well do what I do and go faster through the ruts. But my point is I don't find they destroy my lines at all. They make it easier to hit faster because they dig the ruts deeper.
Title: stewart says bring 2 strokes back
Post by: kim wedding on February 22, 2013, 01:36:55 AM
If they don't destroy 2s line's why have the track's been changed to fit their power out put. I know they dig rut's. It seem's 4$ compact the dirt way more than 2s and they destroy berm's. 4$ like to flat track turn's, 2s like berm's. The rut's 4$ make are fine but 2s make rut's also and the ark of the turn's are tighter on a 2s. Which is what i prefer. Big berm's forever... KIM