Two Stroke Motocross

Two Stroke Motocross Forum => Non-Moto => Topic started by: snowboarderro on October 28, 2010, 09:54:32 AM

Title: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: snowboarderro on October 28, 2010, 09:54:32 AM
does someone of you play it?

i can't wait for the pc version cuz i don't have money for xbox

 :D
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: cmiller493 on October 28, 2010, 10:44:05 AM
Yeah I play it on xbox..i wish i had a nice computer cuz i would MUCH rather play mx sim..that game looks sick.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: Coop on October 28, 2010, 11:28:12 AM
We have it for PS3. It takes awhile to get used to, but once you do, it's fun.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JohnN on October 28, 2010, 01:05:22 PM
I have MX Unleashed for the Wii... while it can be a boatload of fun with friends, it has very little appeal to me.

Normally if you were to be in the room while I was "riding" the bike on a track, it would resemble a drunkin' sailor on his first leave... wobbly and all over the place!

Actually I almost hurt myself from laughing so much the first few times I played... although after a while it got to be a bit boring. I haven't play the game (or any other game for that matter) for over 6 months!

If I couldn't ride an actual MX bike, I would defer to a small mini bike (I used a mini-trail 50 Honda) and blast around doing strange stuff on that. If that wasn't possible, I'd get a BMX bike... personally I find it so much better to actually do something, than to virtually do it! But hey that's just me!
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on October 28, 2010, 01:25:42 PM
As far as MX games go, you really can't beat MX Simulator.  The graphics as-shipped are pretty bad, but it's one of those games that serves as a platform for the mod community, so depending on what you download, you can make it look very good indeed.  But of course, the real star of the show is the physics.  After playing MX Simulator for some months, I thought I'd download the demo of MX vs ATV Reflex, and I was horrified!  It felt so wrong, nothing made any sense anymore!

Mx Simulator Track Contest Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH2cRJD_DEo#)
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: cmiller493 on October 28, 2010, 01:55:34 PM
Ive been thinking of getting MXS..im not sure what laptop to get though that will make it run the best..i am thinking about getting a new laptop here in the next few months. Any tips on what to look for so that it has the best graphics and runs the smoothest?
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on October 28, 2010, 02:02:20 PM
Honestly, I've never had any real problems with performance so I don't have much advice.  My old computer ran it very well until the monitor blew up, and it wasn't even remotely a cutting-edge system.  Unless you're looking for the cheapest laptop known to humanity, you shouldn't have too much of a problem.  But to be sure, I would recommend going on the forums, posting the specs of what you had in mind, and asking how well it would do and/or where it's lacking.  There are plenty of people on there that know far more about computers (and MXS) than I.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: cmiller493 on October 28, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
Alright yeah im not a computer genius..im sure the ones im looking at would do just fine. Still trying to decide whether to get the laptop and game or put the money into my dirtbike..hmmmm decisions decisions haha
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JohnN on October 28, 2010, 02:14:29 PM
No Contest.... dirt bike!!
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: snowboarderro on October 28, 2010, 02:17:59 PM
i wanna play in the winter

when it gets dark outside at 5 pm and you can ride the bike becouse of the snow

maybe when i grow older i will aford a snow kit :P
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: factoryX on October 28, 2010, 03:04:15 PM
 I tried mxs and it was horrible. It didn't make since. Is the newer one better?
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on October 28, 2010, 04:32:08 PM
There are a couple things you need before really getting into the game.  First is a decent controller - only the most dedicated masters of the world can play with a keyboard.  I use a Saitek X-52, but most players find good success with an Xbox 360 controller.  Either way, you at least need to be able to have good subtle control of the steering and the throttle, and preferably the front brake and clutch as well if your controller allows (mine doesn't).  The second thing you need is a very basic understanding of the physics behind a motorcycle.  Many people get very confused in MXS because they turn the bars to the left and the bike leans right.  This is how real bikes actually are (most people never realize this, they just ride) and it takes some getting used-to in the game.  But after a few hours (like, a lot of hours) your brain manages to invent a new equilibrium for the game, just like it did when you learned to ride a real bike.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: snowboarderro on October 28, 2010, 04:54:06 PM
i like this part "your brain manages to invent a new equilibrium for the game"

Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: SachsGS on October 28, 2010, 08:10:48 PM
For a couple of winters I rode an 83 Maico 490 on snowmobile trails. I studded the tires and the trick to riding in the snow was to keep the bike at least a gear higher then normal. It was actually a lot of fun. ;D
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on October 29, 2010, 12:36:15 PM
It's like I've been saying for years.  There is no problem that can't be fixed with a 490 motor.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: Charles Owens on October 29, 2010, 06:08:16 PM
I have reflex for the PS3, I play it when I can which isn't too often here lately.
It helps to have a nice theatre room, I could see it get a little boring without. :)
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: SwapperMX on October 29, 2010, 11:53:17 PM
I play regularly, but most of the time get smoked. I love running the two strokes, but who here can cut faster lap times on the two stroke than if they sold out in virtual world and rode a four stroke ?? I can be consistently faster on the 450 at any track. Is there anything I can try to cut faster lap times on the two bangers ?? Or is the game designed that way ?? We get disadvantaged in real life and also in the virtual world !!!
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: factoryX on October 30, 2010, 12:20:18 AM
all atv/dirt bike video games today are designed for the 4 strokes to go faster. kind of why I like atv off road fury 2 and 3.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on October 30, 2010, 03:24:11 AM
For what it's worth, in MXS I'm faster on the 125 than on the 250F.  The way the game is modeled, the 250F doesn't start making any power (and I mean ANY power, like more than 0.25hp) until five or six grand.  That means that coming out of turns, they like to bog for just a second and then snap into big power, throw a roost and go straight to 14,000.  That sort of unpredictability really doesn't work well with my style in the game (which is all about smoothness, because of my controller).  The 125s don't have as much power anyway at that magical point, so you get a much smoother acceleration and a bike that feels much less quirky.  I also really don't like the engine braking on the four-strokes, it makes them like to slide into corners in the game if you don't play your cards just right.  When the chips are really down, of course the 250F is faster, but I get my best average lap times on the 125.

And also for what it's worth, I have noticed that the trend in MXS is shifting more toward the 125.  Almost no one used to ride them, and there weren't any 3D mods to make them look any good.  But now the modders are seeing more demand for 125s and more riders are using them, at least that was the case the last time I played (which was a few months ago).
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: keeptwostrokesalive on October 30, 2010, 10:44:05 AM
Personally i think mx vs. atv unleashed on ps2 is the best mx game ive played.  I remember i used to play that game non stop until my little brothers broke it. >:(  The reason i liked that game so much was because i was so much faster then all my friends.  I would always get the yz250 and smoke them by like 40 seconds or more consistently.  I just wish i got the hookup so i could try my luck online against some real competitors.  Now that yall brought up this topic i might try and find a cheap mx vs. atv unleashed on ebay and buy it. 
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: cmiller493 on November 02, 2010, 04:06:06 PM
I am ordering MXS tonight...the game is really hard though haha. I am playing the demo, i am using an xbox controller and its easy on arcade..but not fun because the physics are not fun but playing on simulation is impossssible! any tips?
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on November 02, 2010, 06:43:48 PM
There's a slider in one of the options menus called "stability."  In real life when you're riding a bike, you do a lot of things to correct the bike and keep it upright that you're not even aware of, and you can do this because you're balancing on the bike and so your mind can react to even the slightest deviation from vertical.  Inputs to the handlebars of fractions of a degree, constantly act to keep the bike oriented the way you want it to be.

But in MXS, you're not balanced on a bike, so you're getting none of that input, and therefore you're not able to input those tiny corrections.  So, the game has a complex system of doing it for you, but it's not set up quite right for everyone.  The stability slider generally dictates how much of this automatic stabilizing occurs.  When you set it all the way, the bike keeps itself upright very well, and in fact you have to put rather a lot of effort into making it turn.  High stability settings are recommended for beginning players so that they can get used to the other controls without having to worry so much about crashing their brains out.  This is fairly similar to how it is in real life, you'll notice beginners in motocross don't lean the bike over so far in turns, and neither will you in MXS.  As your skill progresses and you feel like you're being held back by the high stability, incrementally turn it down.  You'll want to avoid radical changes, because then you'll have to completely readjust your equilibrium all at once, and that's no fun.  When I was playing a lot, I toned it down by 5% each day, and that was enough to keep it on the edge of being too difficult, without actually being too difficult to deal with.  Eventually you'll reach a point where if you go any lower, you'll crash regardless.  At this point, stop turning down the stability slider, and then start experimenting with the advanced stability menu.  There's a lot of stuff to tune in order to really get it all dialed in the way you want it, but that should give you the ability to train and develop your skills without killing yourself too often.

Almost everyone rides better in real life than they do in the game at first.  Eventually, your game skills will overtake your real life skills, and this can actually help you in real life on the track.  Many members on the MXS forums say that playing the game has helped them a lot in real life, particularly in line-selection, body-English, and keeping sharp through the winter months.  I have to say, even though I ride trails and dirt/gravel roads mostly, it helped me quite a bit when it came time to turn on the aggressive riding.  I wasn't afraid to hang the back end out through a sweeping turn, because I'd done it so much in the game (on a 125, no less) that I knew already what could make it work and what could make it fail.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: cmiller493 on November 02, 2010, 08:13:26 PM
Thanks for the help! I am playing the demo on Simulator Mode with 85 percent stability. The turning is pretty easy its the in-air controls that are bugging me but im starting to get the hang of it. I am just focusing on the controls right now, I am not using the clutch and have auto trasmission on right now. My sound isnt working either so that is pissing me off! haha i cannot figure out why it randomly stopped working today. Thanks for the advice though. Hopefully i will get the full-version this week
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on November 02, 2010, 08:46:21 PM
Yeah, the midair work takes a lot of getting used to, that was the last thing I got the hang of.  But eventually you'll just start to get it, and it'll be subconscious.  It's not something that can really be taught, it just has to be learned.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: cmiller493 on November 02, 2010, 09:17:55 PM
Okay, so if I buy the game..do they send you a CD? Like i know you can download the game from the website but do you get a CD in case you get a new computer and want to install it on the new computer?
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: snowboarderro on November 03, 2010, 12:29:53 AM
well they dont train for nothing in simulators before the real thing :P
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on November 04, 2010, 12:26:00 AM
When you buy the game, you'll get a download link an a registration code.  What I did was save the .exe installer and keep it in a safe place.  When I upgraded computers, I took that file and all my other backups and transferred them over.  The old code didn't work anymore on the new computer, so I sent an eMail explaining the situation, and got sent a new code.  I'm not sure if there's a physical CD version available, but if there was, I chose not to get it.  If there isn't a CD option, you could simply burn the downloaded copy onto a CD (providing you have a burner and a few cents to buy the disc) and use that as your backup.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: snowboarderro on November 04, 2010, 01:36:49 AM
does anyone have a torent for mxs?
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: JETZcorp on November 04, 2010, 04:11:34 PM
I think there are a couple of guys on the forum who routinely do a search on the internet to find any torrents, and then try and get them removed.  The game is only developed by one guy working alone, and he's on pretty limited resources.  I'm not normally the type to start preaching to people about pirating software, but in this case, buying the game really will make a significant difference to the game itself.  It's not one of those titles that just gets released and then some spherical guy sits back in his million-dollar chair and watches the money roll in as he smokes a Cuban cigar and strokes his Rolex.  MXS development is a constant, evolving process, and the money generated by it ends up going straight back into making that evolution happen faster.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: snowboarderro on November 05, 2010, 12:21:25 AM
yeah i know,but i make 500$ a mounth

and every $ goes in my kawy
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: cmiller493 on November 07, 2010, 06:21:22 PM
How do you download skins and stuff? I have tried, i put it in my mxs personal folder but it doesnt show up in the game?
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: ACMX on December 14, 2010, 12:39:42 AM
How do you download skins and stuff? I have tried, i put it in my mxs personal folder but it doesnt show up in the game?
Extract the skins and models using WinRAR into your personal folder. (Program files> Mx Simulator) and make sure you have all of the proper models downloaded for the skins to show up properly.
You can send me a PM if you're still having trouble...



I got into tournaments back in the Mx vs Atv Unleashed days and was hooked from there. I do remember playing some MCM2 but never entered any tournaments. I used to have ton's of videos on Unleashed and Untamed but my old youtube profile was deleted after I posted a memorial video for Jeremy Lusk. For some reason, Youtube thought I posted the actual clip of his crash and they banned me.

Mx Simulator
Mx Simulator (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQlLZmhZvAs#)

Reflex
The Rise Of Reflex (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw4yB_1RXFk#)

Untamed (this one is pretty boring)
Mx Vs Atv Untamed: Screenshots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Mlri3Ex_w#)

And coming soon!
Mx vs ATV Alive
Mx vs Atv Alive... Confirmed! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B-aXYfu7rQ#)
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: juliend on January 12, 2011, 03:12:52 PM
I've been trying to play reflex for a while now. single player is OK. Multiplayer you usually can't get into any games, and invite friends never works. Not much fun if I can't play with my buddies. Feel like I wasted the money on the game. I'm sure it has to do with port forwarding through the router, but for some reason THQ cant' seem to be bothered with listing the ports the game needs opened.

Anyway, unless you want to remove your router and plug your PC directly into the modem so you can play online, don't bother with this one. At least not until they release a patch or some info on ports to forward.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: Coop on January 12, 2011, 03:16:54 PM
I've never had any trouble racing online, but I have it for PS3? I haven't played in awhile but when I was it was harder to get enough guys for a full room than to get connected lol.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: EJ on January 15, 2011, 04:16:54 AM
I,ve been playing Motorcross Madness 2 for about 10 years now.
Still going strong and beiing updated regularly.
Online MCM2 racing is at www.voobly.com/games/view/19 (http://www.voobly.com/games/view/19) !
And mdxracing.com is the place to get all add on's and updates.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: Coop on January 15, 2011, 05:25:09 AM
Man I used to play MCM and MCM2 all the time! I was on a team even (AMA). I placed third in a national tournament once on the original MCM. It won't run right on my laptop, I tried to load it again a year or so ago.
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: EJ on January 15, 2011, 06:05:07 PM
Yea i remember team AMA, also remember a guy named AMA_King.
There are MANY oldtimers stil playing MCM2. ;)
If you have trouble with it, i suggest you go over to mdxracing.com
I am not a computer-wizard, but they will gladly help you out, and get it started again!
Title: Re: mx vs atv reflex
Post by: Coop on January 16, 2011, 06:03:19 AM
Haha AMA_King is still a friend of mine. Big shocker but I was AMA_Coop. I wasted a lot of hours "racing" online back then. That must have been around '98-'99. I got married in 1999 and remembered some of those guys sent us cards so I was on the team then.